It seems to me that the Hillary supporters have nothing left positive to say here.

[berni_mccoy]

Every post that is positive about Obama is ruthlessly attacked. And they can not post anything positive about Obama, even though, it is possible that he may be the Democratic nominee.

I think both candidates are great and I've posted positive threads about both. I believe Clinton is losing recently solely based on strategy. Her campaign gambled on a blow-out win on Super Tuesday and, when they didn't get it, were left wondering what to do. It was poor campaign strategy and Clinton is right to be shaking up her staff (though she should probably be getting rid of Mark Penn, but that is an entirely different discussion).

The bitterness and vileness that exist here I believe are carry over anger at BushCo and deep frustrations at not being able to impeach him. That anger carried over to Pelosi when she refused and actively blocked attempts to Impeach and has caved to the GOP on several important issues.

But the anger and bitterness at Obama for winning voters that are not Democrats is misplaced. He is winning them not because he is going to cave, but exactly the opposite. Because he will fight for all Americans when it comes to caring for the poor, healing the sick and making our nation stronger and more prosperous. The anger and bitterness here is blinding many to the fact that Obama is able to show the masses the truth: that they have been lied to by their representatives, that their government has not acted in their best interest and that they have been artificially divided with hateful messages and RW talking points. I do not know why Clinton is not able to convey this truth to the people. But Obama has, and he is being recognized for it by the voters in state after state.

Do not misplace your anger at him. Redirect that anger into positive energy that will lead to change. Or not. The choice is yours.

[budkin]

1. Too bad for them

But soon they'll be riding the Obama Wave too once Hillary becomes the VP nominee.

[papau]

2. If Obama wants GOP love he should run as GOP - not via "independents in open Dem primaries"

[bigtree]

8. positively

:thumbsup:

[stahbrett]

12. He won 60% of the democrats in Virginia (eom)

[Laurab]

13. And you think Hillary doesn't want those votes?

Those are the votes that are going to give us a winner in the GE - Hillary wants them just as much as Obama, but she's not getting them. Her high negatives are already kicking in.

[berni_mccoy]

14. Thank you. Any candidate strives to reach across to voters on the other side.

It is the ideal situation for any candidacy.

[mtnsnake]

3. Here you go. I have something positive, not that it hasn't already been said

The Goddess of Peace will win the nomination. Good times! :smoke:

[berni_mccoy]

6. LOL! Very nice. Thank you.

[bigtree]

4. what a crock.

do you really think this way?

[berni_mccoy]

15. Yes. I certainly don't subscribe to the Democrat voters only school of thought.

You'll never win with that mindset.

[0007]

5. Careful now! There are Hillary fans that want us to burn in hell

for even talking about the queen of sheep dip.

[Cameron27]

9. Well there's a positve post from an Obama supporter.

I'm giddy from all the 'hope' his supporters shine on this board every day. :eyes:

[Frances]

7. I have written countless posts doing just what you are

advising: Focus your anger on the Repubs. They are the real danger to the country.

The supporters of Obama are making a real mistake when they blame the Clintons for what the Repubs did. The Clintons did the best they could with what they had.

Even Obama has said that he has lost some battles. He will lose a lot of battles if he is elected President.

I'll bet that I will be much more supportive of him when he loses battles than those DUers who are supporting Obama by attacking Hillary today.

[quantass]

10. It's just Human Nature

It's just a way to make themselves feel better in a time of sorrow.
When TX, OH, and PA come closer they will be upbeat and cocky and i guess, as negative but that's expected too.
There's a good probability Clinton will win TX, OH and PA but the real shocker and disappointment for camp Clinton is if Obama erodes the gap win between them....if he does that then although she gets +1 in the Win columns she will have lost the war...but i am not sure if her pundents will understand that. This 2-week absolute focus (after WI, and Hawaii) on TX, OH, and PA for Obama is HUGE and this is where he can seriously do some damage to her winning gap....I'd be shocked if he wins one of those three because if he does Clinton should end her campaign.

[Triana]

11. I'm sick of both sides, frankly

Not a dime's diff between 'em. Both chosen for us by corprats who KNOW they won't change a damn thing, much. And everyone sits here AS IF they had anything to say about that. Who's gonna win?

WHOEVER the corprats want to win.

It wasn't Edwards. It wasn't Kucinich. If WE had anything to say about that, it might well have been - we'd have HAD A CHOICE.

But it was taken from us. And we don't.

So all this hyperventilating and flapping is just - that.

[Unbowed]

16. There has been a lot of attacking going on.

The most vicious attacks on Obama by supposed Hillary Clinton "supporters" seem to be coming from the same few voices. There is a pattern of jumping into positive threads with the express intent of starting a flame war. Several of these individuals have a well-documented pattern of previously attacking other Democrats. Obama wasn't their first target and won't be their last.

In fact, I'm not convinced that all of these folks support anyone in the Democratic Party. If someone does nothing but attack, first one Democrat, then another, what else can one conclude? Stirring up trouble on a board such as this is no big challenge. Anyone can do it. It's not particularly difficult and it doesn't take the intellect of Einstein either. The motivation isn't to convince anyone of anything, it's to start trouble. Why play the game?

I support Obama but feel no compulsion to jump into a pro-Hillary thread and start a pissing contest. It's just not right. Hillary supporters have a right to their picture threads and threads about the candidates latest speech, etc. It's good to see positive support for a Democrat running for President of the United States. True supporters are just that: SUPPORTERS. They deserve respect and their pro-Clinton threads do as well.

As for anti-Clinton or anti-Obama threads, as long as they stick to the issues and don't start taking up the Repuke talking points, that's all part of the process. Discussion is good. Stupid attacks like "I just don't trust him" or "I've never liked her" are not discussion.

It's also easy to bad-mouth someone without providing anything to back up outrageous assertions. Sometimes I wonder if some of these folks can actually read because I've seen post after post where the op-ed gives a detailed analysis and lists a number of sources (and links) and people parrot back the same talking points like they didn't even READ the op-ed in the first place. Guess why: they probably didn't. Why bother when you don't want information and your only motivation is to stir up trouble?

My feeling is that there are a few people whose motives have nothing to do with support in any way, shape or form.

Always. Question. Motivation.

[Perry Logan]

17. It seems to me you're cockeyed. DU is awash in Clintophobia, as always.

[cascadiance]

18. I am not bitter about Barack himself. What bugs me is all of the attempts to "herd" me...

... with the mentality that because someone else is feeling he is messianic (which someone described Obama as yesterday on Hartmann's show, whereupon Thom took a pause on that description), that we should all feel the same way.

I want to hear reasons (SPECIFIC reasons), why he is the voice of change and why we should support him as the candidate that will take down the corporatocracy. If I can't get that message, and still just get the "why don't you come raw, raw with us because everyone else is.", then I'm sorry, but it just doesn't motivate me. I still may vote for him on "hope", but it is just that. Hope that he MIGHT do something I want just because he says that he's "the candidate of change and hope", but I'm certainly not expecting anything with what he's told us so far. I know that's still far better than the Republicans, but at this point that's not saying much just yet. That strategy's a far cry from what we had with Edwards who was making COMMITMENTS to do things we wanted to have happen.

I'm tired of us continuing to elect corporate and blue dog Democrats (even in some case stealth corporate Democrats like Pelosi), because we don't hold their feet to the fire and demand that they tell us what they are going to do in order for us to give them their vote. They just assume that we will fall into line for them now because they feel we have no other choice. They may be right about not having much other pragmatic chance to vote for. But they aren't if they expect us to go out and campaign for them. I'm not going to volunteer my valuable time to do that until I'm convinced someone like Obama's there to work for me.

Positive energy for someone like me isn't something you can just say to have. It has to be EARNED. And sorry why I stand on the sidelines and wait until someone inspires me to have that energy again.