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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:42 AM
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Clinton Finance Chair "We Didn't Put Any Resources In Small States"- Must Read, In Depth Article
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Why Is Clinton’s Back Against Wall? Nobody Prepared
‘We Didn’t Put Any Resources In Small States,’ Says Finance Chair Hassan Nemazee
BY JASON HOROWITZ | FEBRUARY 12, 2008 | TAGS: POLITICS2008BARACK OBAMABILL CLINTONHILLARY CLINTON

Getty Images; Patrick McMullan
John Catsimatidis (left), Hassan Nemazee (center) and Mark Penn.

“What’s gone wrong is very simple,” said Hassan Nemazee, a national finance chair for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. “If we had won Iowa and New Hampshire, as we had anticipated, projected, et cetera, you would not have been in a situation in which you are losing all of these small states—because we didn’t put any resources in those small states,” he said. “Obama, on the other hand, put resources in these small states.” Compounding the damage of the bad defeats in Iowa, and then South Carolina, Mr. Nemazee explained, was the lack of the necessary foresight to invest the campaign’s resources in the states that Mrs. Clinton’s rival, Barack Obama, is now gobbling up as fuel for his ever more threatening momentum.

“You needed to have a Plan B, and Plan B was just doing what we are doing right now rather than having resources in the small states,” he said. “We basically ceded every one of these small red states that he has racked up victories in. And the reason that he has racked up victories at this level isn’t because he was so much more well received, or because his message was any better; it was because we didn’t put any resources in there. We weren’t campaigning there. We didn’t have anybody in Utah, in Idaho, in the Dakotas. In Alaska.”

On Feb. 12, the picture got even worse, as the voters of Maryland, the District of Columbia and Virginia all appeared set to hand lopsided wins to Mr. Obama. With a cold and bleak February calendar staring straight at them—other state set to vote this month are Wisconsin and Mr. Obama’s former home in Hawaii—some of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are wondering how long she can keep losing without her support collapsing in the remaining contests.

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The Clinton campaign’s other scenario—Mrs. Clinton loses a majority of elected delegates but is protected by a buffer of party-appointed superdelegates to make up the difference—look increasingly unlikely.

“The superdelegates are going to by and large mirror the popular vote,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, himself a superdelegate. Mr. Schumer said he was “committed” to Mrs. Clinton no matter what. Asked if there wouldn’t be a revolt in the party if superdelegates undid the results of the state primaries and caucuses, he suggested that there was some wiggle room. “If the election is that close that 10 superdelegates going one way rather than the other way ? No. People will say it was a very close election.” But, he said, “I don’t see a massive move of superdelegates different than how their states voted.”

The states may well end up voting for Mrs. Clinton in the end. But the realization that seems to have set in, somewhat jarringly, among her supporters is that there’s no safety net if they don’t.

“Everybody is taken aback—nobody expected it,” said John Catsimatidis, a supermarket magnate and prominent donor to Mrs. Clinton. (He was bestowed with the title of “Hillraiser” by the Clinton campaign, signifying that he had raised more than $100,000.) “Nobody expected Obama to be so strong. And at the end of the day, I think the Clintons will win out. But I have been saying that all along and it is getting harder to keep saying that.”

“Here’s the thing,” said Yashar Hedayat, a prominent fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton in Los Angeles. “I have a lot of donors who are nervous, who are looking at the calendar like you are and saying, ‘How is this possible?’ But I feel very good about Ohio and Texas and Pennsylvania.”
The bad news is that an Ohio-Texas-Pennsylvania strategy sets a very real deadline, past which it becomes just about impossible to argue that there’s still time to turn things around. It’s March 4 (and April 22) or bust. NEXT PAGE >
http://www.observer.com/2008/why-clinton-s-back-against-wall-nobody-prepared
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:47 AM
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1. 'We thought the voters were going to throw flowers at our feet!'
'We just don't understand how things have gone so horribly wrong....we didn't plan on this happening.We had no plan to counter an insurgency.'
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:48 AM
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2. This is EXACTLY how they COLLAPSED Dem party infrastructure nationally since 1996, too.
Gore and Kerry would have won in LANDSLIDES if all their votes were counted all over the country. The DNC for years LET the RNC gain control of every level of the election process where votes are allowed, cast and counted in every red and swing state, treating them as if they never mattered to the Dem party elite that they led throughout that time.

They arrogantly thought they could overcome the institutionalized deceits of the RNC's election fraud? Were they expecting BushInc to return all those favors they did for them over the decades? That's arrogant.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:49 AM
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3. Yeah that sums it up
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:53 AM
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5. The Clinton campaign has not been run very well
and there's obviously an entitlement issue going on over there that may very well be their downfall. Judgement issues AGAIN for Clinton.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 11:50 AM
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4. All that money and front-runner status and Clinton political experience
And what they came up with was Mark Penn's "Big State" strategy?

With no Plan B for stronger than expected opposition?

Ouch!

Of course compared to Giuliani's incredibly bungled front-runner campaign...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:42 PM
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6. this is why she should NOT be POTUS
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 01:56 PM
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7. Very good article.
:kick:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:03 PM
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8. Their terrible planning and management of their campaign is a big argument against her becoming the
nominee.

Obama's smart, long-term planning and execution speak extremely well for his executive abilities.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:05 PM
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9. One word comes to mind - "cakewalk."
Looks to me like Plan B was to make Plan A work.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:12 PM
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12. Plan B is to pretend Clinton will force Superdelegates to give her the edge.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:18 PM
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13. That won't work any better than Plan A.
The writing is on the wall IMHO.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:06 PM
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28. or "No one could have imagined"
we've all heard that far too many times over the last 7 years...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:11 PM
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10. Where did all the money she had go? She couldn't afford to have
any presence in the states Obama had folks on the ground in? What did she spend all that money on?
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:39 PM
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21. Good question. I'm wondering that myself. n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:53 PM
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24. Image consultants and parking fees
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:11 PM
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11. November 15 '08 -- "We never campaigned in the swing states against McCain"
Hypothetical extrapolation
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:19 PM
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14. logical, considering the Clinton/Carville strategy of the past.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:21 PM
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15. If the contest is Hilly's and Barack's management skills in this campaign - she loses big time.
As it turns out, the Clinton Machine ain't all that. Barack is running circles around her in his ground game. Gobama.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:25 PM
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17. I agree...but why do you think the financing lady was kicked from the campaign?
She had all that money as was obviously only using it in a few states. Obama has broadened his base by appealing to more people.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:28 PM
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18. Some of her donors are po'd that she burned through $100 million already.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:22 PM
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16. I Don't Know If Chairman Dean Gets the Last Laugh
But I imagine he's at least having a chuckle.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:32 PM
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19. So she was not "ready day 1 to run a little campaign"
If she can't run a campaign, how in the hell can she select Cabinet Officers or members for her Presidential TEAM?

For all of her "experience" I just don't see it.

The other thing that I have noticed is her "talk tough" style until she gets in a jam, then she calls on her Co-Running Mate Bill to get her out of the jam.

Not too wise because he is a double edged sword. If she doesn't know how to reel in her own husband, how the hell can she run a country!


Why does she need him to get her out of little jams? What will happen when the big jams come?

HC is not ready for prime time.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:36 PM
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20. This article is the first I'm hearing the term, "Hillraiser."
Bush had his Pioneers and Rangers and Clinton has her Hillraisers.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:41 PM
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22. It's this idiotic strategy that cost us the White House and our national majorities. Fifty. States.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:53 PM
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23. 35 years of experience and a whole lot of ineptitude
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:00 PM
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25. those worker bees are so pesky...
this is exactly why Hillary is incapable of running the country. Her crowd is totally out of touch with the real world.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:26 PM
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26. More evidence that they follow the classic (and extremely foolish)
Dem strategy off simply ceding lots of states rather than going for Dean's 50-state strategy. We need a strong, active presence everywhere. The Clintons' idea is the old notion of only contesting certain states and letting the others go to the opponent.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 05:02 PM
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27. Methinks they ran into the buzzsaw called the "50-State Strategy"
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 05:03 PM by DinahMoeHum
which the Obama campaign has apparently adopted, while the Clinton campaign has paid merely lip service to it.

These Clinton people apparently thought 2008 would be 1992 redux. They're learning the hard way.

:kick::kick:
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