Clinton goes negative on Obama

[babylonsister]

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_hits_obama_with_new_ad.php

Hillary Hits Obama With New Ad In Wisconsin
By Greg Sargent - February 13, 2008, 11:10AM

In the wake of last night's losses, the Hillary campaign is already going up on the air in Wisconsin, the site of the next key primary, with a new ad hitting Obama for refusing to agree to debate...

The ad would seem to cement Obama's status as the race's front-runner. Key line from the narrator: "Maybe he'd prefer to give speeches than have to answer questions."

The Hillary camp is hungry for as many debates as possible with Obama, in the belief that it plays to her advantage to have them go head-to-head over the issues, rather than letting him largely frame the race from the stump with his superior oratory. This line seems to reflect that.

On a totally separate note that could signal further travails for Hillary ahead, elite opinion is really turning against Hillary more aggressively than usual -- for instance, six of the last seven Op-ed by Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich have all bashed Hillary.

[SoFlaJet]

1. sniff sniff...ya smell that?

that my friends is the smell of desperation

[rodeodance]

6. same ol same ol--you folks need a new term--this one is much overused--

that my friends is the smell of desperation

[KittyWampus]

8. Okay, that's the smell of sulfur.

[IndieLeft]

13. Hey.... If it's true.

NO worse than you guys using Obama Kool Aid and the whole cult mantra.

Practice what you preach.

[jmg257]

45. wrong place delete

[Hepburn]

51. Her speech last night?

That was my FIRST reaction to her demeanor ~~ desperation. She came off all wrong, very strident and shrill. Some said fatigue, but I disagree because she was too animated. What I saw was desperation since I do think that she has believed all along she was the "invertible" nominee and was shocked a losing and losing so badly.

JMHO

[rodeodance]

55. Here is the thread you contributed to:--Over all very demeaning comments from

Obamacampers.


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary yelling in El Paso MSNBC NOW
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4561862#4561862
4561862, Hillary yelling in El Paso MSNBC NOW
Posted by Unsane on Tue Feb-12-08 08:10 PM

[Hepburn]

82. And who in the hell made YOU board police?

I will post where the hell I please. You are overbearing, pushy and loud ~~ just like your candidate.

<click>

[Cha]

84. Give 'em, Hepburn!

I didn't see what the poster wrote 'cause it's on Ignore but I can imagine your post was quite warranted! :toast:

[Hepburn]

91. Thank you....and IMO, it was warranted.

I was told, basically, I should not be posting here, but on another thread that he/she "graciously" picked out for me. This is the same poster who on another thread, did not hesitate to infer how stupid and uninformed I am because I do not support Hillary.

I love the ignore feature...!! :hi:

[Cha]

96. I love the Ignore..before

this primary I'd never used it once in 5 years..then all of sudden the hilarys happened and Ignore became a way to still enjoy DU.

I went to my Ignore list just now because I read some people were banned and sure enough I have about 7 tombstones on Ignore.

:hi:

[Hepburn]

108. Hopefully the mouthy one that seems to be the most obnoxious,

know it all I have seen on here will get tombstoned in the near future. What an arrogant attitude for someone who is that ignorant and uninformed!

[Cha]

109. I'm guessing it's a

hilary supporter.

[rodeodance]

101. I did not say anything about where you should or should not post in my post above.

[iconocrastic]

61. "very strident and shrill." - how could that be?

She's the inevitable nominee and President

[GumboYaYa]

2. How many debates have they had already?

I stopped watching them b/c they were so redundant.

[rodeodance]

10. This debate was to focus on Wisconsin concerns. Marquetter Univ. invited both, Hill said yes

and Obama did the --I am scared of her act.

[GumboYaYa]

18. "Wisconsin concerns".....

like those mean commercials the people in California were running that make fun of the Wisconsin cows. That was the big uproar when I was last in Wisconsin. It provided some very funny television news coverage.

[rodeodance]

27. yeah that was funny.

[IndieLeft]

16. There have been 18!

So, yeah, we need one a week for the rest of the primaries.

[rodeodance]

19. I do not think many WI are taking kindly to how Obama is seen to taking their

vote for granted. He was asked by a major univ. in Wisconsin to debate Wisconsin issues. What did he say---take a hike. While Clinton said yes--Wisconsin issues are important.

[mckeown1128]

33. Taking their vote for granted?!?

Obama is all over WI... where is Hillary? Ohhh..that's right..she is in TEXAS. She sure isn't taking Wisconsin for granted. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

47. You have spouted off without knowing any informations~~ See here:

......Taking their vote for granted?!?
Posted by mckeown1128


Obama is all over WI... where is Hillary? Ohhh..that's right..she is in TEXAS. She sure isn't taking Wisconsin for granted. ..........



Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Chelsea in WI today, Bill on Thurs, Hillary on Saturday, Health care ads running statewide
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4572519#4572727
4572727, Chelsea in WI today, Bill on Thurs, Hillary on Saturday, Health care ads running statewide
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Feb-13-08 10:59 AM


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Chelsea in WI today, Bill on Thurs, Hillary on Saturday, Health care ads running statewide
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4571927#4571927
4571927, Chelsea in WI today, Bill on Thurs, Hillary on Saturday, Health care ads running statewide
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Feb-13-08 10:13 AM


lots of posts saying she is ceding WI!

GO HILLARY



http://www.lacrossetribune.com /
BREAKING NEWS
Chelsea stumps for 'mom'
Go ahead — ask Chelsea Clinton anything. She'll probably have the answer. The once and (maybe) future first daughter spoke for nearly an hour today at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse on behalf of her mom, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, and mom's campaign for the Democratic nomination. 1:20 pm

* Bill Clinton to be in La Crosse Thursday
3:03 pm

[CTLawGuy]

67. when did Chelsea Clinton throw her hat in the ring?

Mom won't be happy to have daughter running aginst her...

and Bill is getting in on the Action too! But I thought he was ineligible to be president again?

[rodeodance]

68. and When did Michelle throw her hat in the ring?--pathectic post from you.

[CTLawGuy]

105. Michelle ain't campaigning

instead of Barack. Barack, the candidate is in WI himself. Hillary can't be bothered to show up.

[rodeodance]

106. so why did you bring Chelsea in? she is not running wither. btw-Hill in Milwaukee Sat.

67. when did Chelsea Clinton throw her hat in the ring?

Mom won't be happy to have daughter running aginst her...

and Bill is getting in on the Action too! But I thought he was ineligible to be president again?

[samrock]

3. Yea well

Clinton goes negative on Obama .......in response to Obama going negative on Clinton from the word GO..

[mkultra]

4. unsubstantiated

If my memory serves, it was long after HRC began slinging mud that Obama began to respond. Thats the "fight" her supporters talk abotu is her willingness to go negative.

[rodeodance]

5. PAST time she did---Obama has been Hitting hard on her on the stump while she stuck to talking issue

s!!---

[babylonsister]

9. Gimme a break. She's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever seen, and

lucky us, now we get to see some more of what she's made of. This should turn off those on the fence.

[rodeodance]

12. Open your eyes to Obama's campaign.

[babylonsister]

17. Now that's a great response-not! You got nada, pal. nt

[rodeodance]

22. Keep your mind closed then.

[babylonsister]

31. You're right, I haven't been paying attention.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

36. your posts have mainly been hit pieces on Hillary. Try focusing on Obama's

campaign objectively?


Way to much to ask of you--I know but thought I would try.

[babylonsister]

38. Not precisely, friend. And look at you, all over this thread, defending

the indefensible. Try taking your own advice.

[rodeodance]

41. I am proud to defend my candidate--as I assume you are about your candidate.

[lukebc]

66. "rodeodance": "Keep your mind closed then" yes right those of us...

HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO ANYTHING THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS SAID SO THAT IS WHY WE AREN'T VOTING FOR HER.

You, "rodeodance" on the other hand, ****OBVIOUSLY**** have studied and researched and THOROUGHLY analyzed EVERY candidate's position and know them thoroughly - surely YOU have studied everything about Obama's position as SURELY ****YOU***** know his positions are VERY easily accessed on the web..... so thus YOU "rodeodance" ARE the absolutely and completely and totally and thoroughly know-everything about the candidates AND as you support Hillary Clinton for president then surely that means, that ONLY YOU, as you support Clinton for president has "the open mind" ...... whereas those that do NOT support Clinton for president do NOT "have an open mind" because we do NOT support Hillary Clinton for president.

Yes "rodeodance" we are nothing but a bunch of insular, inbred bigots because we don't support Hillary Clinton for president: after all it follows that we have "closed minds".....because we don't support Hillary Clinton for president.....

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[intaglio]

76. Serious board members, unlike yourself,

recognise real trolls, not imagined ones
do not feed trolls
and alert the mods to the presence of a troll

In this case you have done nothing except prove ukebc's point.

I have read many of your posts and rants, in most of them you do not deign to explain your reasoning (if such posturing can be termed reasoned). You devalue the term "debate" and the honest Hillary supporters who do try to explain their thoughts.

[rodeodance]

87. Do not ASSume what I devalve.

[bvar22]

78. Welocme to DU, lukebc.

Pay no attention to the blind partisan camp followers....of either side.

One camp is bitter and flailing around aimlessly.
The other camp is nauseatingly smug.

There are a large number of sane members at DU who are not members of either cult.

:hi:

[SoFlaJet]

15. dam sis

you're popular-I think I got a heart from somebody that felt sorry for me for not having any-I guess I SUCK (teardrops on my keyboard, rain in my heart caused by YOUUUUUU ooo ooo ooo ooo)

[rodeodance]

88. Best to you. wish i send you one but

am laid up-little $$ with next check. Best to you.

[joshcryer]

74. Yeah, she started with the smearing...

...she ran the Harry and Louise ad. She claimed racism. Yeah, OK.

[murbley40]

77. You must not have been around very long.....

[AtomicKitten]

7. It's all she's got left.

[Barack_America]

11. A foolish thing to say...

Considering the space between primaries now, Obama has plenty of time to hold smaller, town-hall style meetings. This would provide the ability for voters to ask direct questions of him. A debate, of course, would not allow this either.

[rodeodance]

14. perhaps you are being foolish?--This debate was on WI issues only.

[Barack_America]

21. Not at all. All of those issues could be addressed in town-hall meetings in WI.

There is no need for a debate. In fact, only the town-hall format really allows a candidate to answer questions directly from the voters.

[Why Syzygy]

23. Which is why this is a false whine.

Red herring. Nothing there. Vapors.

[rodeodance]

43. see text:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject I do not think many WI are taking kindly to how Obama is seen to taking their
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4572950#4573431
4573431, I do not think many WI are taking kindly to how Obama is seen to taking their
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Feb-13-08 11:39 AM

vote for granted. He was asked by a major univ. in Wisconsin to debate Wisconsin issues. What did he say---take a hike. While Clinton said yes--Wisconsin issues are important.

[Why Syzygy]

53. So let Wisconsin vote for Hillary!

If that is the most important thing you can base your decision on, then go with the DEBATER.

This is for office of President of the United States. Not, the President of work out Wisconsin's issues.
Hillary doesn't even support her own constituents in New York! If you want her show in Wisconsin, go for it!

[rodeodance]

73. YUP--hope they do:-)

[GoldieAZ49]

89. Obama takes Wisconsin seriously, not so Hillary

Just the facts:

Wisconsin has a population of 5.4 million and is about 89% white. It has many young people and upscale liberals, groups that have flocked to Obama in past contests. He does well with independents, and they can vote here next Tuesday. Another good sign for him is that he raised far more money here last year than Clinton did: $583,523 vs. $180,583, according to the Federal Election Commission.
...

Clinton's measured approach in Wisconsin resembles the way she handled South Carolina. Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, was here Monday and Tuesday and husband Bill arrives Thursday. Clinton herself was in Texas today. She'll be in Wisconsin at week's end for campaign events and a party gala.

Obama, as he did in South Carolina, is competing harder than Clinton here. Clinton started airing a television ad Tuesday; Obama's TV ads started Friday. While she traveled Tuesday to Texas, he held a rally in Madison. Today, homing in on an area Clinton has so far dominated, he scheduled a "major economic speech" in Janesville, followed by town hall meetings in Republican-leaning Waukesha and working-class Racine.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-02-12-democrats_N.htm
*****
Two polls show different candidates in the lead, this state is in play and Obama is busy earning their vote. Town Hall meetings are voter interaction and he does very will with them. Hillary wants to debate on her messages, not the voters. Obama doesn't need to debate to connect with voters, he also doesn't need to waste time with Hillary.

[rodeodance]

39. see post # 19--also both Obama & Clinton will be speaking at same event

on Saturday.

Both in Milwaukee. Perfect opportunity for them to have a debate about Wisconsin issues.

[Inuca]

32. Oh, come on...

How can you keep writing all these things that just don't make sense?!?! Wisconsin issues ONLY, sure they would have talked for one or two hours about nothing but whatever unique issues WI has. There may be rational arguments made against Obama not wanting too many debates (mind you, I did not say valid), but pushing "Obama despises WI" is just plain ridiculous.

[Cha]

85. And all those really stupid

corporate nooze moderators poised to manipulate in any direction. I don't blame Obama for not giving hilary anymore debate time..she's showed her primary colors.

[Why Syzygy]

20. Now THERE'S an ISSUE voters can get their teeth into!

DEBATES!!! I care so much.

Sounds like a lame excuse.

[snappyturtle]

24. 4th K&R! I thought Sen. Obama had agreed to do two debates...is that

wrong? (I wonder if Sen.Obama regrets having said he'd do two!) I think Sen. Clinton is desperate for more exposure.

[rodeodance]

29. See my posts upstream for some context on the nature of this debate please.

[Divernan]

56. Exactly which "Wisconsin Issues" are you talking about?

I'm an alumni of Marquette University and have politically active family members in Madison. The major concerns I hear about from people in Wisconsin are getting out of the Iraq war, getting the deficit under control, universal health care - in other words, NATIONAL issues.

Issues particular to a given state are handled by the Governor. Oh, and speaking of the Wisconsin Governor, here's some info from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal blog on line, "All Politics".

"Dan Keistikow, Dem. Gov. Jim Doyle's former communications director, returned to Wisconsin politics on Feb. 4th, as chief spokesman for the Wisconsin campaign of presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama. Leistikow joined the campaign of former president candidate John Edwards last April and worked in Iowa, New Hampshire and the South. In a visit to state capitol Madison, he said he expects Doy le to play a key leadership role in the Obama campaign before the Feb. 19th primary. Doyle was in Kansas campaigning for Obama earlier this month."

More from this blog, today.
The Rundown: Obama starts wave of candidate visits
By Patrick Marley
Wednesday, Feb 13 2008, 11:11 AM
After wins in three states, Democrat Barack Obama roared into Madison Tuesday, sparking the beginning for visits from all the presidential candidates. Obama is in Janesville, Waukesha and Racine today, and Republican Mike Huckabee is in Waukesha tonight.

Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican John McCain will be here later in the week. You can get details about all the events here. In addition to the candidate visits, there have been a flurry of other campaign activity around the metro area, from Racine to Waukesha.

Joining the current presidential candidates was one from the past. George McGovern -- who unsuccessfully challenged Richard Nixon in 1972 -- came to Milwaukee Tuesday.

[rodeodance]

70. There was an article in the WSJ I believe a few days ago--economy was on

of the issues listed.--health care (i forget others).

Thanks for posts but I have read most of them ---being from Madison and working the phone banks for Hillary.


howdy to you--from Wisconsin.

[GoldieAZ49]

90. Then you know Obama is having Town Hall meetings with Obama, that he

raised more money in Wisconsin, that the rally he had there last night was overflowing (was it 15 or 20 thousand there waiting for him?)

It was full to the rafters...and Hillary, telling a crowd in El Paso that "there was no where she would rather be than in Texas"

hmmm, did she not get the date list of primaries?

She runs a disorganized campaign and says she is ready to run this country...I don't think so.

[rodeodance]

102. i was at the Kohl center. just to listen and watch. met other kindred spirits

there i know. yes. it was abuzzzzzzzz. about 20,000 showed up. lots of empty seats. can't quite recall its capacity at the moment but way too huge for 20 thousand.



and yes, i know about his sessions.
I am very disappointed that he did not agree to a debate with senator Clinton.

[Divernan]

58. I'm still waiting for your brilliant insights into "Wisconsin issues".

nt

[snappyturtle]

63. I'll try to make myself clear: Has Sen.Obama agreed to debate (nationally)

Sen. Clinton?

edit: I just re-listened to the video portion of the link. It did not say that Obama would not debate just that they hadn't heard an answer from him. And, I didn't read in the link that this "debate" that's been proposed by Sen. Clinton is on WI issues only. Do you have a link to that?

(I guess I am imposing the bigger question out there of whether or not there would be more nationally televised debates between the Democratic senators.)

[algol]

Maybe I missed something...

Isn't this exactly the reason Obama gave for not doing more debates -- to continue to talk to the people? This "attack" seems to contain a fair measure of FAIL.

[ericgtr]

25. The person falling behind will always try for more debates

it's always been like that. They have a debate next week anyway.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

26. Bill Press and Ed Schultz are both doing campaign autopsies today...

Stephanie Miller was always an Obama supporter.

[Benhurst]

28. Both campaigns have had their nasty moments; but all this is going to

look like a debutantes' ball compared to the upcoming Fall campaign, which may very well be the dirtiest in our country's history.

[rodeodance]

30. i give you that.

[corkhead]

34. DCB

DEAD
CAT
BOUNCE

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Going?

She went negative in NH when she pulled the Guiliani routine.

[Yael]

37. He stays above the fray and she goes negative

Well, I think we can all guess whose favor that is going to work in.

Yael to Camp Clinton -- the country is REJECTING your 50.0001% strategy. Find something new.

[Oskie]

40. Obama supported Lieberman in '06...good anti-war stance, huh?

[EFerrari]

60. So did Barbara Boxer. I never understood that unless

the Dems were hedging their bets so he would vote with them if he won.

[SOS]

62. "Lamont Gets Help From Obama"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/27/ap/politics/mainD8L0MB280.shtml

[rodeodance]

48. yeah?--what about his Repug Harry and Louise ad?--

[Raffi Ella]

42. It's about damn time.

The Charismatic Marquee-like Orator needs to have a light shone on him as Hillary has for the last decade or so.

[rodeodance]

52. you bet---and look at all the Obama folks Whining!!

[Cha]

86. Yeah, hilary shines so much she's

radio-active.

"Anyone who supported the Iraq war for five bloody, deadly years and then supported the Lieberman-Kyl amendment should show more taste and better judgment and more modestly in boasting of their own "experience' and launching personal attacks on those who were far more right than she."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4576880

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

44. Clinton: Hey Obama, lets do, like, 10 more debates!

Obama: That's a bit much, how about 2.
Clinton: HEY LOOK EVERYONE! OBAMA IS AFRAID TO DEBATE!!!!

Give me a f'in break.

[rodeodance]

50. read my posts upstream regarding context of the invite for this debate before you spout off.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

59. Funny

You of the single line, hit-and-run posts, accusing me of "spouting off".

The context doesn't matter. There have been plenty of debates. Clinton is only asking for more to get free media coverage and so that she can use Obama's refusal as a wedge.

[rodeodance]

71. Hi--Context IS important--go educate yourself.

[democrattotheend]

46. This is the first attack ad of the campaign, no?

I have a big problem with attack ads in primaries...especially now that Republicans have their nominee pretty much figured out. Can't Clinton and Obama agree to keep it civil for the good of our chances in November? What's the point of getting the nomination if you can't win the general? This is bad news and it hurts our chance of beating John McCain.

[jmg257]

49. SO HE should campaign the way SHE says? Cause that has worked SO well for her I guess? What a croc

[Tropics_Dude83]

54. Um dude

Bill Clinton wanted to make Barack Obama into Jessie Jackson. He knew that the South Carolina defeat was going to be big; but, in his brilliant mind, he thought "hmmmmm, I'll be able to deflect this crushing loss" if I get the blacks voting 90-10 for Obama and the Whites 90-10 for Hillary. Huge white backlash in S.C. spurred on by another backlash on Super Tuesday." That was his racist strategy and the most despicable strategy I've ever seen. Worse than Rove. Fortunately, the media pounded Bill Clinton on it and stopped his racist ploy. No less a figure than Teddy Kennedy recoiled at Bill Clinton's antics and intervened on Obama's behalf enabling him to survive the mud.

Now, tell me what Obama has done that is even REMOTELY as negative as that. Saying that she didn't cry for Katrina (a surrogate). Give me a break. That's nowhere near as negative as trying to Ghettoize Obama.

[Divernan]

57. Obama is in Janesville, Waukesha & Raccine today. Clinton's in Texas.

As the Milwaukee newspaper's blog put it, "Obama roared into Wisconsin last night (Madison). . .
For more detail see my post # 56 above.

[Dinger]

64. I Do Wish Hillary Would Make A Few More Stops In Wisconsin (nt)

[oasis]

65. Hillary challenges Obama to a debate, he refuses. That's what is negative.(eom)

[livetohike]

72. Fine. Bring on more debates where Obama asks her to defend

her IWR vote. If I were Hillary, I would be careful what I wish for.

[ShadowLiberal]

75. One problem, Obama ALREADY agreed to TWO debates a few days ago

This is just plain outrageous for her to bash Obama on not accepting more debates, after he already did. Now she's just looking REALLY desperate by conveniently forgetting that fact.

[bvar22]

79. Why should an obvious frontrunner....

agree to debates with the loser who is struggling with $MONEY$ problems.
Why give the free face time?


Not smart politics.

Hillary needs to focus on scripted appearances on Hallmark.
That is her strong suit.

[Catchawave]

80. Someone needs to smack that smirk off his face....

He's starting to get the strut and the cockiness down pat too. :scared:

[FrenchieCat]

97. Go ahead and advocate violence. Sounds like right up your alley!

Immature person acting smaller than her shoe size!

[rodeodance]

107. Did you see the pic of him in big cowboy hat today??

[stillcool]

81. The Clinton's ...go negative?

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis. The ad features a couple at a kitchen table, which some Clinton supporters said was reminiscent of "the famous insurance-industry-financed 'Harry and Louise' ads against the original Clinton plan," as The Politico reports, and Mr. Nichols said it "personally outraged" him.


Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Hillary Adviser Harold Ickes Tells Surrogates To Refer To Super-Delegates As "Automatic Delegates"
By Greg Sargent - February 12, 2008, 11:43AM

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants them to start referring to super-delegates as "automatic delegates," according to someone on the call.

The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary's super-delegate hunt, this way: "We're no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They're called automatic delegates. Because that's what they are."

The worry appears to be that the phrase "super-delegates" implies that "they have super-powers or super influence when they don't," the source says, describing Ickes' thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

pssst...someone let the Clinton's know when the debate dates are
somebody let Bill know...the debate dates.

The Feb. 21 Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama debate at the University of Texas looks like the hottest ticket in town since Hannah Montana mania took over Austin last month.

For the Feb. 26 MSNBC Clinton-Obama debate in Cleveland, Ohio, the campaigns will distribute most of the tickets, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported.

[FrenchieCat]

99. Bookmarked!

Hillary is looking bad on this.....cause nobody is as stupid as she thinks they are. Which is really her greatest problem, underestimating the American People.

[bridgit]

83. How Can They Be So Mean!?!?!? Leave Barack Alone!!!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[Cha]

94. Obama can take care of

himself..this says more about hilary than anything.

[bridgit]

95. He'll likely be in there, it's up to all y'all to start monitoring his actions...

as the time approaches. Republicans don't give Dems care free rides, and aren't about to let him just walk in there is my thought Hillary or no Hillary, as their RW idiot machine hasn't even been engaged as yet. Though I bet you a donut that it will be. If the past is any indication, Obama is in for the ride of his life. There will soon be no more excuses. And I say we try that for a while. No more excuses; only proper thinking. That sounds right to me.

[elixir]

92. Wow, that was really tough. Boy, she really went negative challenging him to debates and all.

[elixir]

93. Wow, that was really tough. Boy, she really went negative challenging him to debates and all.

[rodeodance]

104. yah--if that what the OP thinks is negitive--HOOT HOOT

[Thrill]

98. Wow for someone who was the inevitable nominee

She is beginning to sound pathetic

[Major Hogwash]

100. Wisconsin is Feingold country!!

Obama should get about 60% of the votes in Wisconsin.

I wish I had a Senator like Feingold.
Ya know, one that wasn't running around in airport bathrooms seeking sex from strangers.

[TexasObserver]

103. Clinton has gone negative the past 6 weeks, and it blew up in her face.