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Wed Feb-13-08 01:40 PM
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Dear DNC, I will not vote for a nominee if he or she... |
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1). ...wins by superdelegates who vote to overturn the democraticly expressed will of the American people. Why? Because I actually believe in democracy.
2). ...is able to seat delegates after an election has taken place in which all candidates involved were told the delegates would not count. Why? Because the time to overturn this was before the election not after a particular result was obtained that would benefit a particular candidate. Secondly, there has to be another way found to sanction a state party.
Lastly, the DNC should pull its collective head out of its ass.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:42 PM
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1. I agree whole heartedly |
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I am a huge supporter of Democratic Ideals and those two items are as far from "democratic" as can be.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:42 PM
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2. Obamabots only like the rules when the rules suit their Messiah. |
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:44 PM
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5. ..says a HIllary supporter after HIllary agreed to not count the Florida and Michigan delegates |
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but then she changed her mind.
the irony is palpable
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:49 PM
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10. Why do some of you type HIllary all the time? |
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:56 PM
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15. it's a typo. I push down the 'shift' key for the 'h' and oft forget to release it before I hit 'i' |
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holy crap, calm down dude
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:33 PM
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I just see it a lot so I began to wonder if it wasn't a planned thing or not. No biggie.
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Wed Feb-13-08 03:41 PM
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25. It's a subversive conspiracy that is offensive to someone. |
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You should devote your time towards investigating it further.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:44 PM
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6. Bullshit, notice I said "he or she" and if you want to seat delegates... |
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after everyone was told they wouldn't count, you will have a war on your hands.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:45 PM
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7. The rules in this case do suit our Messiah as you state, as laid out in advance... |
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by the DNC many, many months ago and it is your candidate that is making waves about changing those rules in the middle of the game.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:52 PM
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12. There is a self policing on here... We don't use terms like that for EITHER candidate. |
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welcome to my ignore list.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:43 PM
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3. I think that the DNC needs to overhaul there entire Primary concept.... |
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This whole process is way to complicated and needs to be changed for the good of the party IMO.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:44 PM
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4. Dear DNC, I will not vote for the nominee if it's not Obama |
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Because it's not possible that anyone else could win. I don't care that it's Independents and Republicans who are forcing his nomination and that the super delegates comprise actual party members. They don't count.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:46 PM
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8. Yeah, all the republicans in st louis and san fran... |
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:50 PM
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11. I said Republicans and Independents both |
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:40 PM
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22. Then why in California, did Obama win the most liberal counties? |
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San Francisco, Marin, Santa Cruz, Mendocino, etc. etc.
Hillary won the counties that have more Republicans and Independents than the counties Obama won.
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Wed Feb-13-08 07:15 PM
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28. And you think they allowed Obama to overwhelmingly defeat Clinton in San Fran? |
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:46 PM
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9. Well put. I concur. eom. |
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:53 PM
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13. dear DNC, i WILL vote for whichever nominee the party puts forth |
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because my option is that or a senile old warmonger.
i may not like it but i understand that this is the way it works. this year, at least, though i have little faith that what works for those in power will ever be voluntarily changed.
those who threaten to take their ball & go home are bluffing. either that, or they are so selfish they prefer a protest that may see america completely destroy what is left of its wealth & power over the next 100 years in iraq.
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Wed Feb-13-08 01:54 PM
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:01 PM
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16. Not going to vote if? |
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By that are you not saying that you will accept it if McCain wins in November? Isn't that a scary thought?
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Wed Feb-13-08 06:58 PM
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26. Less scary than being in a Democractic party that operates against democractic principles |
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Wed Feb-13-08 08:26 PM
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31. And your username is usregimechange? |
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Wed Feb-13-08 08:52 PM
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I will not "rubber stamp" a rigged election.
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:02 PM
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17. nice.....you have just made yourself irrelevant |
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:06 PM
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19. The people who voted in both Florida and Michigan need to have their... |
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votes counted and their delegates seated.
The people, not their so-called leaders who caused the problem in the first place.
Now, that IS democracy.
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Wed Feb-13-08 03:29 PM
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24. They will be seated at the convention |
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after the nominee is chosen. It's silly to say they won't. I don't like the way it played out either but you can't change the rules after the fact. The time to contest this was long before the primary took place. The irony is that if they followed the rules ans scheduled it later, both states would have been VERY influential. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/13/11936/3662/886/455749
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:07 PM
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20. Ironic.. so have you... |
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Because that's EXACTLY what Clinton wants.
Not gonna happen.
Hawkeye-X
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:04 PM
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18. you won't be the only one. it would be a revolt of incredible magnitude if that were to happen |
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if superdelegates decide this election, there would be a revolt away from the dem party like we've never seen. the outrage would be monumental
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Wed Feb-13-08 02:42 PM
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23. Dear DNC: I live in Oregon. Why am I forced to accept the nominee everyone else chooses for me? |
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Talk about democratically expressed will of the people. We get what's given to us, and have no say in the nominee. It will be a miracle if I get to state my preference for Hillary instead of Obama on a primary ticket.
The "democratically expressed will of the people" shoved Kerry at me despite the fact I had worked so hard on Howard Dean's campaign and still believe to this day he would have been a far, far better president. But like a good little Democrat, I filled in the circle beside his name.
The whole system is screwed up and unfair, top to bottom and side to side, inside-out. So when I hear complaining about Florida or super delegates, or the timing of primaries, open primaries, caucuses, all I can think of is, welcome to my Oregonian world.
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Wed Feb-13-08 07:13 PM
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27. Well, I can agree with you that the system is junk. |
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Why not let everyone vote on the same damn day? And why should supers even have the ability to over-turn what the voters decide? Frankly, it pisses me off that my party would have these undemocratic and inequitable policies in place at all.
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Wed Feb-13-08 07:51 PM
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30. Hear, hear. Everyone across America, mail-in or drop-off paper ballots, primary vote. |
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Hold that ballot in your hand and take all the time you need to think about it. That's the best thing about Oregon, is we can really contemplate our choices (such as they are by the time they get to us).
Billions and billions to the military budget, zippo zilch for voting rights.
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Wed Feb-13-08 07:20 PM
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29. Don't worry, after the FL/MI mess |
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Your one vote wont mount to a hill of beans compared to the sit out votes in FL/MI. That said, something should be worked out pretty soon. The voters in FL have already gotten flyers I thnk came from the RNC or some supporter of them suggesting we were duped by the DNC about our vote not counting. JMO.
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Wed Feb-13-08 08:50 PM
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... is proven to have engaged in dirty campaign tricks, e.g. voter suppression, lack of transparancy in vote counting, etc.
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Wed Feb-13-08 09:06 PM
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35. which "will of the people"? |
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I don't care about the stupid rules - if the DNC wants to deny the delegates then so be it.
But all this crap doesn't offend me as much as the complete disacknowledgment, in terms of the overall popular vote, of the people in MI and FL who voted. The administrative task of assigning delegates (or not) to a given state election is a separate process and has no bearing, in validity, on those individuals that cast a vote. The Republican race, that was run in parallel in Florida, suffered the same rule breach and as a consequence only 50% of the delegates were awarded, but did the reduction in delegates retroactively take away 50% of the popular vote's legitimacy? Of course not.
It disturbs me greatly when fairness is mentioned only in terms of the candidates - as if they are the only parties involved in an election and that the electorate are but pawns and as such are only considered when all the candidates have had their equal shot at manipulating them. Well here is what I say to that: we voted, its our vote and if your petty little rules deprive us of a delegation that's your call, but don't you dare tell us it doesn't count!
I could give a rat's ass about the candidates - that's not what this is about - every vote cast counts and there is no highroad in making that conditional.
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