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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:40 PM
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McCain's good match up poll numbers are disturbing
Its supposed to be a Democratic year, but McCain is running very strong against either Hillary or Obama. He is usually very close within margin of error, either winning, tieing or losing.

Don't look now, but McCain may win and become president despite the national mood favoring Democrats. McCain has strength in independents and even Democrats who are the so called Reagan Dems. Bottomline, Hillary or Obama are going to have a difficult contest against him and it is worrisome.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:43 PM
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1. It's a little early to be commenting for me
Perhaps in 6 months we'll have a better idea of the threat McCain is.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:43 PM
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2. The Repugs could just fix the voting in a few areas
and seal the deal. How strange that would be if all the Obama fans and Clinton fans did all of this fighting with each other and then we lost in the end? It could happen. McCain is a strong candidate. He will get Dem and Indie and Repug votes combined.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:43 PM
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3. More reason to support Obama. He can bring in independents and even some GOP.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:45 PM
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4. Definitely, I think both Obama/Hillary are within the MOE of McCain
Anyone who thinks the White House is a lock for the democrats this year is lying to themselves.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:47 PM
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5. All of this talk about him being unacceptable to conservatives
Is just to make him seem more palatable to the moderates and independents that the media has tirelessly said he appeals to. Maverick my ass. Regardless of our nominee, the perception of McCain is key. Is he the great independent, or Bush's 3rd term.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:48 PM
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6. Hilary has the Regan Democrats, Traditional Democrats.
.These are Democrats McCain might attract.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:20 PM
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18. Hillary doesn't have the Reagan Dems.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:49 PM
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7. As usual, those poll numbers fail to take into account the many many many MANY undecideds.
Probably because the election itself is 10 months away. I think it's promising that we're starting out ahead.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:50 PM
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8. never believed those polls, but beatification upcoming for Mccain, demonizing for Dem nominee
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:51 PM
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9. the only chance the repubs had
was to nominate mccain...any of the others would have been doa
mccain will cut into the independents that obama can bring...he'll get the more moderate/conservative democrats....mccain will seriously contest the bluecollar voters as well....i'm not sure how it would play out if hillary gets the nomination...it breaks down about the same...except democrats will go for her and some repub women...probly liberal repubs as well...
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:55 PM
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10. I dont believe them. They never post the raw data and the numbers are heavily massaged according
to how they 'think' voters will turnout.

Just look at how often and how far wrong polls often get.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 02:55 PM
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11. McLame has tied himself tightly to the War in Iraq.
Violence is on the rise. The Parliament is nearing disbandment. And we will lose our 4,000 US Soldier, and then another bloody summer's worth.

He will sink with that failed, criminal Occupation.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:01 PM
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12. It is a set-up: the Independents who vote for Obama now will NOT in the general
it is a set up and people are blinded by the bandwagon mentality... McCain will steal the Independent from Obama with no problem... Obama is more liberal than Hillary and Independents are moderates generally...

my friend is and Independent and she said of Obama... NO EXPERIENCE...

everyone has been swiftboated by the republicans... this is their plan... they had the media edit out Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and made them look like racists... which we know they are not! and Obama said NOTHING hoping to get blacks and the rest of America disgusted with the Clinton's.. . pit us against each other... Obama maniacs will get pissed if Hillary gets the nom. and Hillary people are pissed because Obama lied and played the race card and the media left him unaccountable...

now the republicans are coming out in droves to vote for Obama so he gets the nomination being as McCain is obviously ahead! and the stupid Obama people think everyone has drank the kool-aid!

either way the republicans win... and if Obama gets elected by a bunch of drunken kool-aid drinkers they will make Carter look like a political genius! and Obama will be out in four years and so will every other democrat!

We have been played!!!!



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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:27 PM
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20. Very well said cd3dem ...
the dems have been punked like never before. In fact, it's becoming embarrassing to admit to being a dem at the moment. The conservatives must think we're the biggest idiots ever on planet earth.

The republicans and media have chosen our candidate (again). Obama will be no match at all for JM. As you already mentioned, those indies and reps that voted BO in the caucus and open-primary states were doing so just to eliminate Hillary and once that is accomplished, they will revert back to their conservative roots and vote for JM.

BO will surely lose CA to 'Amnesty' John, as well as FL and MI due to not seating their delegates. It also looks like he will have problems in PA. Then we face the reality that those white folks in IA (and other states) really aren't going to vote for BO after all. So show me just how he wins this thing.

This election is not about neocons vs. right-wing-christians vs. paleocons. it's about the SUPREME COURT and every republican, of every flavor, will vote the republican candidate regardless of who it is. They want those 3 upcoming apointments and it looks as though they will get them.

And that is known as CHECKMATE. With a 8-1 or 9-0 SCOTUS, the dems might as well just fold up the tent and break camp. It's over.

Thanks Oprah, Kerry, Kennedy and the rest of the traitors to the dem party.

I guess the bright side, for me anyway, will be watching those traitors cringe as their guy BO slowly but surely becomes a whisper-campaign and MSM victim and morphs into a muslim who obtained the visas for Saddam's terrorists through the middleman Rezko and in return was given a sweet real estate deal all while he was watching tennants die from the cold in his district.


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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:05 PM
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13. Anything's possible, but
my sense is that people are tired of war and McCain can't help but sounds like a guy who is gung ho for attacking Iran, and ratcheting up the war in Iraq. He is a self-confessed ignoramus on the economy when we're in a recession, and he has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth.

I think his campaign is on less solid ground than these early numbers indicate.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:05 PM
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14. Allow for some debates and more campaigning
The contrasts will be stark, and the Indies will be coming by and large to the Dem candidate, IMO.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:20 PM
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16. If Debates Mattered, Kerry Would be President
We CANNOT count on a few debates to offset the flood of McCain love that flows from the Mighty Slime Machine.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:31 PM
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21. and campaigning!
The more the people get to know our candidate, the more it will help. What else can we do? The Dem campaign will no doubt paint McCain as a "flip-flopper", because he is one of the worst degree. He will be painted as a war-monger, a know-nothing in economic matters, and a continuation of the W regime, because he is all of those things. If the people don't get all this, and vote McCain in, then this country is probably beyond repair, and we are screwed.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:07 PM
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23. But What IS Campaigning These Days?
Giving speeches to rallies filled with cheering supporters? That's preaching to the choir.

How do you reach voters who are not already on your bandwagon?
With minimal access to television, how does a Democratic candidate reach them?

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:18 PM
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15. McCain Will Be Very Difficult to Beat
He gets a pass from the MSM on anything to do with Bush** because he's a "maverick". :puke:
They keep reminding us that he's a "maverick" and that "America loves mavericks".
All part of the FREE service that the Mighty Slime Machine provides to the Repiglickin party.
The people are lapping it up.

We get to fight this with 30-second spots that cost about half a million dollars each.

We have a problem.

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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:20 PM
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17. He polls well with independents.
And face it, as we can tell right here from this very forum, you either love or hate the two Dems currently in the running. Depending upon who our final nominee is, we'll either steal those Independents right out from under McCain like we did yesterday in VA & MD & DC OR we'll lose them and he'll win the GE. Simple as that.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:24 PM
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19. I wouldn't worrry about Mr. Wobble
Republicans are going to have a hard time voting for him, mostly because they think he is a liberal already and he is around 45,608 years old.

I know a couple who already will vote for Obama over Mr. Wobble...
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JorgeTheGood Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 03:37 PM
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22. So let's see some of the Obama folks ...

fill us in on just how BO wins the GE. List the states he wins for starters and build a case for him instead of just cheerleading from the sidelines.

Any takers?
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