while waiting for my 10 months old grandchild ...

[flordehinojos]

i really have to say that i rather entrust the future of this young life to the hands of a true and tried democrat like hillary clinton than to the hands of a Remocrat like Obama whose charisma does not convince me, leaves a lot to be desired, and whose leadership is more like that of GWB's.

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Ok then.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. Uh.....

what the fuck does it have to do with your grandson?

I'd trust my future and my kid's future with Obama, not some DLC corporatist.

Hawkeye-X

[tabatha]

3. Yes, the lady that helped send

almost 4,000 some 17 years older to unnecessary deaths.

[zbdent]

7. well, guess what ... if McCain wins because we're all shooting at ourselves,

we're going to be committing our children, our children's children, our children's children's children,

you get the point ...

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" "I expect we'll be in Iraq for a hundred years"

[TornadoTN]

12. Wait - so by this logic, we should be good little Democrats and vote Hillary?

They both could defeat McCain, although with Hillary I have some reservations. The Republican's are in disarray and the only thing that would make them unite behind McCain is Hillary. I'm sorry, I don't want to take that chance. Aside from the many problems I have with her, I am not convinced she can defeat McCain and she could very well serve as the lightning rod for the entire Right-wing.

[roguevalley]

33. DU is fun but it isn't the country. the votes coming in are and the

people out there seem contented to put Obama in the white house.

RV, still for Edwards.

[flordehinojos]

8. although obama said he was against the war ... once in the senate he voted to fund the war.

didn't he too send 4,000 plus 17 year olds to their death? he did!

[libbygurl]

10. The 'anti-Iraq war' Obama myth persists.

Tell a lie often enough and people will think it true.

[TornadoTN]

14. Hillary supporters disconnect is astounding

Voting hook, line, and sinker with Bush in 2002/3 to go to war with Iraq is not even comparable to funding our troops once they are already there.

Obama spoke openly against the war during a time when it was unthinkable. He was skeptical, like many of us, of the intelligence that led us there in the first place. Hillary triangulated and went along with Bush. Now she can't even acknowledge it was a mistake without playing the "poor little old me, I was fooled!" card.

Cry me a river, Hillary.

[libbygurl]

21. Hmm, O himself said he didn't know how he would vote if he were in the Senate...

...at the time. Making a speech isn't the same as voting on a measure.

I, for one, do admit to HRC's vote as a weak point in her history, but we're not saying she was against the war.

On the other hand, O keeps propagating that falsehood about his being anti-war all throughout. His voting pattern post-start of war is identical to everyone else in the Senate who also voted for it.

[emilyg]

16. Good point.

[Divernan]

35. Clinton voted against a ban on cluster bombs - notorious killers of other people's grandchildren

You know what cluster bombs are, don't you? Those thousands and thousands of little ball-like weapons showered on Lebanon by the Israelis, and still maiming and killing civilians, including many children in Lebanon and other countries in which they were used.

Most are familiar with the work Princess Diana did to publicize the horrific injuries these weapons inflicted upon civilians, women, children, and how they continue to kill and maim long after a military conflict has been officially resolved. Those painted bright yellow particularly attract kids to pick them up. Would your grandchild pick up a pretty yellow ball if he found one?
Some interpret Clinton's vote against banning these inhumane weapons as an attempt to look militarily tough enough to lead a nation at war; others - particularly my Manhattan liberal (truly bona fide leftist) friends said the vote was more to keep from offending Clinton's pro-Israeli constituents/donors.

I'm politically active - personally and professionally. I understand that concessions must be made and triangulations are needed to win office. BUT EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A MORAL LINE OVER WHICH THEY WILL NOT STEP - A COMPROMISE TOO FAR, SO TO SPEAK.

Add to that thought the fact that many have said they support Clinton for her work for women and children. Speaking as a woman and as a mother, let alone as a human being, and I am dead serious about this, I would cut off my hand before I pushed the button voting against a ban on these weapons.

If she wins the nomination, I will vote for her. But at the deepest emotional and psychological level, I no longer respect her.
A big talking point for Clinton supporters here on DU is "I support her for all the work she's done for women and children." I don't ever want to hear that crap claim again about someone who voted to support the continued use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. How any human being, how any woman, how any mother could vote in favor of those weapons, which have been condemned by the civilized world - leaves me stunned. It tells me that Senator Clinton has as cold and calculating a heart as I have ever heard of in an American politician.

Consider the actions of Princess Diana.
www.guardian.co.uk/society/gallery/2007/ju...
When Princess Diana tiptoed through a minefield she created an iconic image and helped secure a ban on the weapons, which had killed and maimed thousands. Now campaigners are working with her memorial charity to press for a ban on landmines’ successors, which are wreaking new devastation. Landmine Action say Diana’s name still opens doors worldwide and they hope her legacy will help them secure a ban on cluster bombs - which are wrecking lives in southern Lebanon a year after the war with Israel ended. Unexploded bombs have killed 249 people since the war ended and have left large swathes of the country a no-go area.

[Bluerthanblue]

4. well, my 24yr old son is more

likely to be directly influenced by a bad choice for president than your grandson.

As is my 14yr old son.

My 6 and 3yr old grandsons- and their baby brother due in June, are probably as vunerable as yours.

I respect your right to support who-ever you feel most confident in, and hopeful about.

I ask you to demonstrate your respect for others by dropping the silly childish name calling.

Your grandson is watching you- more closely than you realize.

And your actions speak louder than your words do.

peace~

[NMMNG]

5. Agreed

I don't trust anybody who "reaches out" to the very people who want to destroy us. That's just asking for trouble. What's that thing about the scorpion and the frog...? :shrug:

[libbygurl]

6. Agree with you, I have the same doubts and misgivings about O.

Thank you for your honesty. And it's brave of you to post this at this time, amid the pervasive, toxic, anti-Hillary atmosphere on DU these days.

[flordehinojos]

9. if not now when.

if not us, who?

[libbygurl]

13. Wise words spoken. Thanks! nt

[libbygurl]

11. K & R, flordehinojos!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[emilyg]

18. +Ditto.

[dionysus]

15. nice flamebait trollie mcasshat...

[JVS]

36. What a Turdocrat

[THUNDER HANDS]

17. I'm sure your grandchild

will appreciate that when he/she is in Iraq 20 years from now.

[flordehinojos]

23. that would probably be the case at the hands of this bush wanna buffoon.

[Straight Shooter]

19. I envy you the 10-month-old grandchild.

I agree, the charisma is overrated. I'm sorry you're getting criticized for a heartfelt sentiment.

[flordehinojos]

25. thank you ...

i appreciate your post ... (10 mos. old grandchildren can be quite a handful ... but they are irresistible ... )

[stillcool]

20. Experience?

I'm not sure what experience Hillary has, other than "First Lady", the Junior Senator from New York, some volunteer work, and corporate law. I guess she can claim bi-partisan achievements due to Bill's relationship with Poppy. Hillary may know what it's like to be smeared as a First Lady, as she claims she knows how to fight back, but I would not call that White House experience successful, at fighting back and winning. On the other hand, Obama has far more experience in the legislature, in organizing at a grass roots level, in Constitutional Law, Civil Rights Law. I guess it depends on what you call experience.

[flordehinojos]

26. how very ignorant ... or otherwise ill intentioned. not hillary.

but your post is.

[stillcool]

30. Enlighten me...

[berni_mccoy]

22. Remocrat?! That's a new one, I'll give you that. Not bright. But new.

[mopinko]

32. they had to hit back on 'obamican'

before it caught on. reactionaries, ya know.
besides, they got caught red handed trying to turn the super-delegates into "automatic" delegates. mark penn has to do SOMETHING for his money.

[FrenchieCat]

24. I disagree with you, and you may want to do some more research.....

while you still have "idle" time to inform yourself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4578207&mesg_id=4578207

[donheld]

37. No they may not want to do some more research

The truth is so ugly, wouldn't want to find that.

[ecstatic]

27. "remocrat." cute. I chuckled

but now for the obligatory :eyes:

[elizm]

28. Are you as consistent in your beliefs...

as you are with the shift key over there on the left that makes capital letters?

[flordehinojos]

29. e.e.cummings to you.

[Barack_America]

31. Unfortunately, your 10 months old grandchild probably prefers Obama.

The younger generation is solidly Obama.

[Renew Deal]

34. You'd trust your grandchild to someone that bankrupted her campaign while selling your info

to the highest bidder? Says a lot about you.