Perky
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Wed Feb-13-08 03:13 PM
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It is beyond bleak for Clinton to catch up on pledged delegates |
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Look it really is an issue of mathe and calendar
She needs not victory, but big wins out of Ohio and Texas to overcome the pledged delegate lead Obama has amassed and slingshot her into the lead with PA.
She needs to blow Obama out of the water with 60% plus in both. but given that the momentum is currently in Obams's camp. and the only intervening contests are both favoring him, the strategy insists on finding a way to reverse Obama's momentum by convincing Texans an Ohioans that the history of the past month is to be ignored.
If she fails in doing that and scores a modest win she still will need to net 130 plus delegates to draw even by the time the primaries are over.
Currently Obama is ahead on Pledged Delegates by 125. assuming a 60/40 split on WI/HI his delegate lead will probably be about 143 or so.
Here ar five scenarios
There are 355 delegates available on March 4 and another 555 after that for a total of 910. She needs to win 527 or the last 910 to pull even. That is 58% of the remaining delegates
If she gets 60% on 3/4 that is a a 213 to 142 split and a net of 71. She still needs to make up 72 more in the remaining contests to break even. That means she needs 56% of the remaining delegates.
If she gets 55% on 3/4 that is 195 to 165 split so a net gain of 30 so she would be 113 behind. That means she would have to get 60% of the remaining pledge delegates
If they break even on the 355 available on March 4th she will need 63% of the remaining delegates.
If Obama wins 55% of the 355 he would increase his delegate lead to nearly 180 and that would mean she would have to take 66% of the remaining delegates.
It is not impossible by any stretch but she has to rely on wins in red states where Obama has faired better and where many DUers poo-poo the authenticity of a victory.
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:02 PM
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1. That's never happened to me before... 10 recommends an not a single comment |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:04 PM
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2. You left them speechless n/t |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:05 PM
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3. Because the math hurt our brains. |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:06 PM
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4. WAITING for the 3 post limit to take effect |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:13 PM
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6. kinda sux for both of us doesn't it? |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:18 PM
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10. not me--i seldom do more than 3/day. sometimes none. |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:25 PM
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16. yea you just slam others without any desire for a rationale discussion |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:10 PM
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5. We still need to deal with Florida and Michigan |
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With it being this tight a race, we can't allow the voters of Florida and Michigan to not have a say.
I'm not saying though, that the one with the most pledged delegates should necessarily win the nomination. And it may be the superdelegates should have a say. The Obama people can convince them about meaning of Obama's victories in order to win over superdelegates. Democrats want a Democrat in the White House. If it looks like Obama would get Democrats out to vote who otherwise wouldn't, he would have a strong case.
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:23 PM
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14. I think what she did in Florida was sorta sleazy |
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but what she did in Michigan was unconscionable. She was the only candidate on the ballot. If that's not okay in Soviet Russia, how is that okay here? :shrug:
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:54 PM
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19. A Waste of Balloons and Confetti |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:13 PM
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7. that's it burn your post limit early in the day! Its going to be peaceful tonight! nt |
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:15 PM
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8. Someone is going to have to break down and create a spreadsheet |
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maybe I'll work on that......then again...:argh:
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:23 PM
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15. I am such a nerd...I have a huge spreadsheet |
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State Delgate counts Apportioned delegate results from multiple sourece Votinf results key exit poll data by state
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:32 PM
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17. I might want a copy of that if it's Office 2003 compatible |
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Or you should be able to post it online as well if you have some way of hosting it.
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Wed Feb-13-08 05:58 PM
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20. send me your email by PM |
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I need to clean some thing up and yesterday's delegate counts and I can send it tomorrow AM
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:53 PM
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18. Love Your Work Perky! |
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Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 04:56 PM by GalleryGod
Crunch dem numbers !
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:15 PM
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9. Just heard on MSNBC that Hillary has decided that Wisconsin will count after all and |
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she has decided to fight there too. It was a state she had kind of given up on, I understand. That says something about how far behind she is.
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:20 PM
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12. oh my, msnbc is very behind the stick. Of course they wrote her off and now have to 'excuse' |
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their meme!!
ha ha [and lots of obamacampers have chirped that silly meme)--ha ha
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:19 PM
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11. And notice that as they tally things up in the Potomac |
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Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 04:27 PM by thevoiceofreason
Barack has a 43 delegate lead there with a few dozen more left to be apportioned (not counting supers). I think this margin is significantly larger than anyone had anticipated. In fact, Barack's margin in the Potomac primaries was equal to her margin (in delegates) in California, and he won the combined popular vote last night alone by 514 thousand (so far), far beyond HRC's 398 thousand vote margin in Cal. Pretty good work for states that qualified for someone's "ignore" list.
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Thu Feb-14-08 02:53 PM
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21. Heres my Obama number.... 280... his delegate lead when the last primary is over |
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