Why HRC soldiers on ... and I'll contribute again

[Fredda Weinberg]

All through this hard-fought campaign for the Democratic nomination, you and I have met challenge after challenge head-on.

Every time they start to count us out, we prove them wrong. Just this past week, you were one of the donors who helped us break records in the days after Super Tuesday. I can't thank you enough for your generosity.

You and I know that only the people, not the pundits, get to decide where this race for the Democratic nomination will end up. And, before very long, the people who depend on us the most -- working families who have been hard-hit by the failed policies of the Bush administration -- will have their say in states like Wisconsin, Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, Pennsylvania and others.

Don't forget who we're fighting for: families who need universal health care, people struggling to survive the Bush economy, folks desperately trying to hold onto their homes, students grasping for the American dream. They're the reason we need to work hard, and we need to win. And winning means having the passion, energy and resources to aggressively compete in crucial upcoming primaries.

[Big Blue Marble]

1. Fredda, I give you credit.

You are as dogged as she is.

[liberalhistorian]

3. People should be dogged in favor of their candidate.

They shouldn't blow with the wind.

[Big Blue Marble]

21. I absolutely agree.

That was my point. What did you think I meant?

[liberalhistorian]

2. You have the right to vote for and contribute

to whichever candidate you want, no question. Just like those of us who do not support her have that right, also. And I believe she should carry on, even though I will not be voting for her in the primaries, no way. People in states that haven't voted yet deserve a chance for their voice to be heard, and it's not as if she's waaaay behind Obama.

One thing she isn't fighting for is ending the war, and that has been a major reason for her problems, coupled with her "entitlement" attitude. She has seriously underestimated the strength and breadth of the anti-war, anti-Iraq-policy sentiment and the depth of their anger, and she has seriously underestimated their strong motivation to vote. Voting for constant war funding will do that to you.

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. Entitlement attitude? Au contraire ... here's an upcoming event

Hall Of Hillary
When
Sunday, February 24, 2008 at 6:00 PM - 10:00 PM

Where
Dhaka Club
37 th Ave , corner of 60th st
Quennes, NY 10472
General Area: Jaksonhight

Description
A Town hall metting and fundrasing dinner.

Host
Nazrul Haque

Fundraiser
The host is trying to raise money at this event. The suggested contribution is any amount appreciated. Contributions can be made after submitting your RSVP.

[rodeodance]

9. nice thanks

[KAZ]

14. What you don't seem to get is that "Entitlement attitude" is

Liberalhistorian's perception, and those perceptions should be addressed. Simply saying "Au contraire" and posting a town hall notice, has the appearance of blowing off a thoughtful, and respectful reply from LH.

[Fredda Weinberg]

16. Then let me flesh out my counter argument. If HRC had an

entitlement attitude, she would not be attending events in Jackson Heights, Queens. It's an ethinically diverse neighborhood ... lots of curry. But she likes spicy foods and it'll be fun to watch.

Anyhoo ... I believe this supports my dismissal of Liberalhistorian's declaration of HRC's attitude, which is meant as a statement of fact, not a perception. So, while the response may have been emotionally satisfying, I don't believe it can be supported by evidence.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify myself. I don't mean to dismiss anyone.

[KAZ]

23. Thanks Fredda! You're a true asset to the board.

[rodeodance]

8. Once 80% people approved of the war--but the war is no longer top issue for many--

She has seriously underestimated the strength and breadth of the anti-war, anti-Iraq-policy sentiment and the depth of their anger, and she has seriously underestimated their strong motivation to vote. Voting for constant war funding will do that to you.

[KAZ]

27. Once 80%... and therein lies the rub.

A definition of strength may be keeping one's head, when all around you are losing there's. Also, please remember, this is only Feb. The war will be making a return appearance to the top of everyone's list come Nov.

[TheDebbieDee]

12. "Voting for constant war funding will do that to you."

I'm sorry, but hasn't Sen. Obama also voted to continue war funding in his time in the Senate?

And this "entitlement" attitude she has, are you sure it was not merely confidence that she was projecting? After all, nobody is going to vote for a stooped-shouldered whisperer with his/her head hanging down.

[goodgd_yall]

42. That's not why Obama is doing so well though

It's his inspirational speeches and appealing style. I think most people are willing to look at today, and not the past. What are you going to do when you get in office to get us out of Iraq is what they want to know.

[rodeodance]

4. I too will fight on.

[rodeodance]

6. and a REC for you

[Jed Dilligan]

7. Show me the words "affordable housing" on her website

and I'll believe she gives a flying blue fuck in hell about Americans being homeless.

[rodeodance]

10. just curious. do you if obama has that on his website?

[Jed Dilligan]

20. Here

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

[rinsd]

38. Here's Hillary's

Hillary Calls On Wall Street To Address Housing Crisis

Hillary goes to the Nasdaq stock exchange today to call on Wall Street to help clean up the housing foreclosure crisis it helped create. Wall Street not only enabled reckless mortgage lending, it encouraged it - 1.8 million home foreclosure notices have been filed this year, a 74% increase from 2006. Now it’s time for lenders, homeowners and investors to come together to solve this crisis and stem the tide of foreclosures.

Hillary will challenge lenders and financial institutions to take three immediate steps today: 1) Voluntarily support a moratorium of at least 90 days on home foreclosures; 2) freeze the fluctuating rates on subprime loans for at least 5 years until they can be converted into fixed rate, affordable loans; 3) Require regular status reports on the progress they’re making in converting unworkable mortgages into loans families can afford so we have real accountability.

Hillary is proposing a comprehensive work out - not a bail out - that would end the foreclosure crisis. If Wall Street refuses to act, Hillary will propose legislation to tackle the problems in the housing market head on.

As we see growing economic challenges - from the housing crisis to rising energy costs-- it’s clear that we need a leader with Hillary Clinton’s strength and experience to create the change America needs. Hillary has proposed allocating up to $5 billion in immediate assistance to help communities and distressed homeowners weather the foreclosure crisis, and called for $1 billion in emergency energy assistance for families facing skyrocketing heating bills this winter.

FORECLOSURE MORATORIUM: Hillary will call for a moratorium on home foreclosures of at least 90 days so that a rate freeze can take effect and at-risk homeowners can get financial counseling to help them transition to affordable loans.

FREEZE ADJUSTABLE RATE LOANS: The rate freeze must last at least 5 years, or until subprime mortgages have been converted into affordable loans. A typical subprime adjustable rate loan is raising monthly payments by 30% to 40% for many families, causing a wave of housing defaults across the country.

REQUIRE ACCOUNTABILITY: Hillary will ask for regular status reports on the progress Wall Street is making in converting unworkable mortgages into loans families can afford.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4530

[Jed Dilligan]

40. Blah blah blah shit for homeowners blah blah blah

I've never dreamed of owning a home, do you have anything that relates to me in the slightest?

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. Will her Senate page do? Here

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/issues/housing/

[UALRBSofL]

22. Thank you Fredda, a very thoughtful post

BTW, Hillary was speaking of the foreclosure mess were in and she was saying we need a 5 year freeze on interests rates because she foresees it going up in the next few years to offset the falling prices of the housing market.

[Jed Dilligan]

25. No it won't, because she is running for President

against someone who has it in his official campaign platform. She doesn't. It's an easy sell in NY.

Her husband fucked the poor bigtime, and I expect nothing better from her. A big part of it was encouraging the housing bubble that made housing less and less affordable throughout his presidency.

[Fredda Weinberg]

26. Your timing is off. The ARMS that are resetting were made post 2003

I don't see what Bill had to do with it. As for the poor, I saw them disappear from the streets of my city and we're not an easy sell. If you can make it here .... and I have been outside the confines of the five boros ... you can make it anywhere and HRC has accomplished that goal. No matter what happens this year, I get to keep her as my state senator.

[Jed Dilligan]

30. Disappeared, did they?

That was largely Rudy's doing, I believe. I understand how urban liberals can be appeased by the homeless being "disappeared" from their immediate presence--I watched SF fall under the spell of Gavin Newsome.

New York is irrelevant to the rest of the country--we saw homelessness grow in the 90s and continue growing under Bush. If you don't think liberal policies are an easier sell where you live than in other parts of America, you are just cuckoo.

[Fredda Weinberg]

31. Rudy's doing? Hell, no. And you claim homelessness increased

under the Big Dog? That is not credible.

[Jed Dilligan]

33. It certainly didn't decrease, except maybe in your cherished "boros"

I was completely excluded from the Clinton "boom," which only helped established people with property and permanent employment. I doubt that anyone who was trying to get a start in life during those years will vote for another Clinton.

[Fredda Weinberg]

34. I don't own property or ever have permanent employment

But I'll accept that our different is one of perception ... even if I quoted official statistics, you'd just as easily deny 'em.

[Jed Dilligan]

35. Clinton = Exclusion

There is no statistic powerful enough to erase that equation from my mind.

[rinsd]

39. Here

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4530

[Rock_Garden]

13. That says it all for me, too, Fredda. K&R!

[hell-bent]

15. I will donate again

after just donating last week. Go OMAMA!

[Fredda Weinberg]

18. Doesn't have to be much. I know this will feel good n/t

[Olney Blue]

17. I would like to see her stay in the race. K/R.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. I think she has to ... for all of us who've put years into this effort n/t

[Olney Blue]

24. Agree.

[KAZ]

28. If she wins this thing, she'll get more money from me, than...

..I've given to Obama so far. On that you can rely.

[robbedvoter]

29. WONDERFUL! I'll follow your lead!

[BlackVelvet04]

32. K&R.......

I donated earlier today.

[Little Star]

36. Fredda, please see my post for good news. Link is below....

Hillary supporters it ain't even close to being over!......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4574947&mesg_id=4574947


Wolfe Blitzer has him on again today:
Wolf has JOHN KING and his MAP on again today. Try
not to miss it. Especially any Hillary supporters! This thing is far from over. Ya gotta see this map when King shows how much Obama would have to win % wise in every state left in order to get the nomination! It is amazing.

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. Love your avatar! Indeed, we're not dead ... I just needed a nap n/t

[zabet]

37. Fredda...

:yourock:

[NMDemDist2]

41. I truly feel the 70s feminist was correct when she said

"America will elect a black man before they elect a woman"

but that doesn't stop me from eating out of the freezer this week to send HRC some $$$

luckily, I have a well stocked freezer.....

[Fredda Weinberg]

45. It is our campaign. Thank you for being here n/t

[applegrove]

43. Go Hillary Go!

[Tatiana]

46. I really admire your dedication and support.

But I just couldn't support someone who have $175 MILLION dollars when this primary race started and had to loan herself $5 million. She still has not answered the question of where all that money went. We know that she skipped entire states and did not have many offices or staff in others.

Granted, I'd feel better donating to her campaign now that Maggie Williams is running things, but lack of explanation for that disappearance of so much money would make me think twice about donating again.

[Fredda Weinberg]

47. Ever volunteered for a campaign? They're messy things

No, I'm not surprised by the inflated figure - we know it didn't go into secret slush funds or gold plated umbrella stands. I doubt it went straight to "walking around money", but hey ... it works.

You can sit this one out, but when I gave my first donation almost 8 years ago, I knew we'd need more someday. I've been gratified by the results.

[Tatiana]

48. Actually, yes. For (Bill) Clinton in '92 & '96, for Gore in 2000, and Clark in '04.

She went through $175 million and doesn't have that much to show for it. That is, at its worst, fiscal mismanagement and at its best, lack of oversight.

I have given to both the Edwards and Obama campaigns, so I am not sitting this one out at all. I'll be headed to Milwaukee to canvass for Obama and then down to Texas.

But even more troublesome was the campaign's money crunch. Over the last seven years, Clinton had raised $175 million for her re-election and her presidential campaign. But Solis Doyle didn't tell Clinton that there was next to no cash on hand until after the New Hampshire primary.

"We were lying about money," the source said. "The cash on hand was nothing."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-campaign_monfeb11,1,3349573.story

[Fredda Weinberg]

49. Super Tuesday was her day. I still think it was worth it, but we can

respecfully disagree.

[eridani]

50. Looking more like the superdelegates will decide

Not good.

[Tennessee Gal]

51. I'll donate again today.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

52. I Just did too..AND THE BEAT GOES ON !

[William769]

53. K&R!