Colorado poll: Obama BEATS McCain by 7; Hillary LOSES to McCain by 14

[maximusveritas]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/colorado/colorado_2008_presidential_election

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows that Barack Obama (D) currently holds a seven-point advantage over John McCain (R), 46% to 39%. However, if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton, McCain will begin the race with a fourteen point advantage, 49% to 35%. %. National polling, updated daily, currently shows the same general trend with Obama currently performing better than Clinton in match-ups with McCain.

You really can't get a clearer picture of how much stronger Obama is in the general election. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking Obama will win across the country. But he's clearly a much stronger candidate. Colorado was a state Bush won by 5% or 100,000 votes. It's not out of reach, if we nominate the right candidate.

[Barack_America]

1. Wow. Those results are stunning....

I hope they conduct this poll again so that we can get several data points.

I'd also like to see what the results would be in a state like Minnesota. It has been solidly blue, but voted overwhelmingly for Obama. What would they think of Hillary vs. McCain?

[jasmine621]

45. Not stunning. I've been trying to tell you about the Hillary hate rage.

It was there even before Obama was on the scene. In some places where there are some liberals and progressives I have no doubt that Obama will be leading McCain. But in the states where the electorial votes are going to count this will not be the case. The history of the past elections (2000 and 2004)should tell you something.

[Bicoastal]

2. Um....red states don't count in the GE?

I dunno, this'd be hard to spin if I was a Hillary supporter...but they'll think of something.

[MadBadger]

3. I wanted to post this, but im all outta threads for the day.

Hell win NH as well and she may lose it.

[Diane R]

4. Thank God the electorate is learning this now, there's still time to avoid a Clinton/McCain match.

[COFoothills]

5. I saw this poll earlier today...

...critical purple swing state on the verge of going blue and staying there indefinately if we play our cards right.

We also have some key downticket races this year, including and open senate seat that is a very strong possible pickup for us (Go Udall!).

Stats like these as they keep becoming more and more undeniable are the reason I have decided to cast my support for Obama. He simply has the best chance to win in November and to bring other dem candidates with him.

[BeyondGeography]

6. But Colorado is a caucus state...oh, yeah, wait

:freak:

[Froward69]

60. Colorado is a caucus state

Colorado is a caucus state with a 60 day cut off... Obama won with 3/4 of the vote...
http://64.78.9.13/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

[dempartisan23]

7. yikes

will we committ suicide and nominate clinton?

[griffi94]

8. 4 years ago

this from the washington post
i wonder what president kerry will do next



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A677-2004Feb23.html

In a head-to-head matchup, Kerry beat Bush by 52 percent to 43 percent among registered voters in a Washington Post-ABC News poll released Feb. 12.

[Alhena]

13. So we should forever disregard polls because they've been wrong before?

[griffi94]

15. didn't say that

but you can't hardly use a poll as evidence of anything this far out from nov.
this rasmussen poll doesn't prove squat.....and yet all the obama devotees here
take it as gosphel that colorado will be going blue...bank on it...all bullshit and speculation as of now

[Alhena]

21. But she has a 54% unfavorable rating in the poll- that's not about issues

that's just people in Colorado flat out not *liking* her. And that has always been her biggest problem- she's a very smart and competent politician.

I just don't see how the Democratic party can tie its fortunes, in a race we HAVE to win, to a candidate with such low likeability ratings. Especially when we've got as an alternative a guy as smart and charismatic as Obama.

[ctaylors6]

35. her unfavorables won't get much higher; most people don't know much about Obama yet

His will likely go up once the attacks start against him. Of course, no one know how much -- maybe just a little, maybe a lot.

[Seen the light]

20. They weren't wrong

That number was chipped away by an excellent smear job by the Bush team on Kerry. And Kerry being a pretty bad candidate didn't help matters any.

[griffi94]

22. oh ok i see now

and mccain wouldn't dream of chipping away at obama with a smear job...got it...
i think i understand now....obama is great.....don't look at anything that makes him look
less than great....don't say anything about him except to say he's great....he will easily beat...insert name of opponent here.....because the opponent...once he realizes obama is great will give up not wanting to deprive america of obamas greatness...all red states will turn blue...as soon as the repubs realize and admit that obama is great.....group hug kumbaya obama is great....and some ya'll wonder why others think you look like a cult LOL :banghead:

[Seen the light]

23. And that has anything to do with what I said.....how?

[Independent-Voter]

62. Kerry was a douche that couldn't campaign his way out of a paper bag

The salute and "reporting for duty" bit was nauseating.

[thevoiceofreason]

9. Oh snap!

[Moh96]

10. I really hope Clinton supporters see that and learn something today

[HeraldSquare212]

11. Sorry, red states don't count - didn't you get the memo? nt

[juajen]

12. Since Clinton is too busy fighting obama, she has had no

chance to attack McCain like Obama has; so, this is more because of Obama's name recognition so this poll shouldn't count, Just disregard, you know, like Hillary's wins in FL and MI. It's just so unfair!

[Alhena]

14. If you didn't have that Hillary photo I'd think you were an Obama fan being sarcastic

[Alexander]

17. Clinton has more name recognition - and Obama's still fighting her.

Your candidate is a known commodity, and people don't like what they see.

Do you want Colorado to turn blue, or not?

[anigbrowl]

36. Yeah, 16 years worth of name recognition doesn't help.

And I am disregarding her FL and MI wins. We can seat those delegates tomorrow and Obama would still be ahead. Clinton only get 57 vote advantage from the two of them together.

[jlake]

16. Good luck on that once the MSM turns on Obama.

[maximusveritas]

24. And what about when they turn on McCain?

And don't think Hillary is immune to any of this. The media really hasn't touched her yet. I've yet to hear the name of Lewinsky. You can bet we'll get a huge dose of that if she's our nominee.

[jlake]

30. When has the MSM ever turned on a Republican?

[anigbrowl]

38. Bob Dole...Bush the elder...Nixon...Larry Craig...Need I go on?

The media leans abck and forth, but they are no more 100% pro-conservative than they are 100% liberal (as the freepers believe).

[Captain Hilts]

18. This is why they have a 'campaign'. nt

[Thrill]

19. She has a serious problem with Independents

And she still has to fight the part of the Dem party that isn't a fan of Bill Clinton

[COFoothills]

46. BINGO!

A full third of the registered voters in Colorado are registered as independent/unaffiliated. This is the case in much of the west.

She has a huge problem with these voters. Obama draws them in much better.

[TheDonkey]

25. Breaking: CO no longer counts

[AllyCat]

26. Maybe even the Repukes want change???

CO is fairly conservative, at least it was when I lived there.

[Barack_America]

27. It's the Independents...n/t

[TeamJordan23]

28. This should be emailed to all the SuperDelegates. nm

[aquarius dawning]

29. Bullshit on you. Colorado is a stronghold for Obama. As such, the poll is badly tainted by bias.

[CTLawGuy]

31. so wait becuase he has a lot of supporters in CO,

the poll is biased because it shows him ahead?

That makes no sense.

[aquarius dawning]

37. It makes perfect sense. I thought Obama supporters were supposed to be the smart ones

The poll and, hence, the results are biased because they rely on a sample group comprised of a disproportionately high number of Obama supporters i.e. the colorado electorate which can only lead to a biased conclusion in favor of Obama. It's kinda like asking a group of catholics who they like better, the Pope or Marilyn Manson.

[anigbrowl]

39. Isn't it the Colorado electorate that will decide how Colorado goes in the GE?

Yes, I sure hope they are biased for Obama - because it looks like a state that might turn blue come November.

[CTLawGuy]

58. if you did that

the answer you would get is biased or would it be accurate?

in other words if 100% of Catholics liked the pope better you'd say the poll was biased?

[KAZ]

33. Put the bottle down dude.

[aquarius dawning]

40. Another post graduate Obama supporter obviously.

Colorado favors Obama. Of course the sample group will suggest that Obama will do better against McCain. Colorado is not representative of the entire population however; therefore, the poll is biased and unreliable.

[KAZ]

42. Uh, yes, I do have some post grad ed., and your post...

...is about the dumbest thing I've read. "Colorado favors Obama"... yes, that's what the OP is about, dumb ass, COLORADO.

Waste of bandwidth.

[aquarius dawning]

44. The poll is about who will do better against McCain, not specificaly who they favor

We all know they favor Obama in Colorado. One would expect a poll of a group of people whom we already know support Obama in disproportionately high numbers to suggest that Obama will do better against McCain but it's bullshit because Colorado is not representative of the entire electorate. As such, it attempts to convince people that Obama holds a greater edge than he actually does and, as such, is bullshit dumb ass.

[KAZ]

48. I give up. You're never going to understand.

Last time. This thread is a state thread. It's about winning states in the GE, which means electoral votes. The OP is not talking nationwide.

Sorry DU, the stupidity brings out the worst in me.

[aquarius dawning]

49. I understand perfectly that we're propogandizing for Obama in this thread

by suggesting that a biased statewide poll is representative of the nation.

[mohc]

52. What part of

"Let's not delude ourselves into thinking Obama will win across the country" do you not understand?

[aquarius dawning]

53. I never saw anyone win by quitting but I've seen quite a few wins due to persevering

The upcoming battles favor Hillary according to many sources. Let's just play it out. Why not? Scared? Republicans are smearing Obama on NBC as we type BTW calling him an ultra liberal who will not be good for our economy etc etc.

[mohc]

54. And I do not think Clinton should concede

There would be no point now. Short of Clinton dropping out, there is no conceivable way that Obama will have 2024 pledged delegates before the convention. The superdelegates, along with the FL and MI controversies, could play out in any number of ways. Based on current trends though, I have my doubts as to whether or not Clinton could pass Obama.

[mohc]

50. I guess you could read it that way...

...if you had no idea what you were talking about.

Firstly, many of suggested that Obama's wins in red state primaries/caucuses would not translate to a wins in the general, this poll speaks directly to those concerns. Secondly, as the person you replied to suggests, this thread is about Obama's support in Colorado. What impact that has on the "rest of the electorate" is up for discussion. A recent poll also shows Obama doing better in New Hampshire against McCain than Clinton does. What can be inferred from these two polls? With the possible exception of Arkansas, there is not a single state Clinton gives the Democrats a better chance in that Obama would. The big states Clinton has won primaries are staying blue no matter who is our nominee (CA, MA, NJ, NY).

[TheDonkey]

57. Set your latte down!!!

x(


or is that a Cappuccino?

[maximusveritas]

56. What about NH? Obama is up 13 on McCain there. Hillary just 2.

Unlike most of the state polls (Ohio, Florida) that are cited by Clinton supporters, both candidates campaigned in Colorado. In fact, Hillary did more campaigning than Barack did.

[sniffa]

32. Colorado doesn't count so give it up

Red states that HRC didn't win, don't count.

[IndianaGreen]

34. 49% of voters will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances

That's quite a handicap to start a campaign.

[bunnies]

41. Oh come on. Dems dont need to win CO!

:sarcasm:

[AtomicKitten]

43. But I was told on DU that the Goddess of War was inevitable.

[DrFunkenstein]

47. Its a Trap

I'm sure it was all GOP undercover trying to get Obama nominated to destroy him with the awesome power of McCain, who single-handedly calmed Baghdad's markets simply by walking through them.

[usregimechange]

51. Kick!!!

[sloppyjoe25s]

55. Yup... NM Too is in reach in the GE

Bush beat Kerry here by the tinyest of margins.

Our primary was closed to independents - or Obama would have body slammed her. As it is - it istoo close to call (and we are still counting provisional ballots - i know embarrassing, but oh well...)

In any case - Obama would carry NM - Hillary would have a shot - but it would be razor thin again.

[TexasObserver]

59. Obama can win Colorado. Hillary can't win the states Kerry won.

[JAbuchan08]

61. Colorado is turning purple and may one day be blue

we don't get a lot of credit here, but Colorado was a fairly liberal state until all the Orange County conservatives and texans started moving here. I think there will be a liberal resurgance. There is a huge latino community throughout rural Colorado, and quite a few rural Colorado counties went blue during the 2004 election.

Westerners are beginning to see they've been had by the good-ole'boy GOP establishment. If there's anything I despise as a westerner its when oil-men pretend to be cowboys. Totally different ethos as far as I'm concerned.