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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:20 PM
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L.A. County: 'Impossible' to count 100k votes!
L.A. County Registrar Says It's 'Impossible' to Count Nearly 100,000 Ballots from Super Tuesday Primary
The L.A. County Registrar is Lying…And Blaming Voters and Pollworkers to boot…

UPDATED with Link to Petition Demanding ALL Votes Be Counted! Please Sign It!

"A voter who casts a vote in an election in accordance with the laws of this State shall have that vote counted."
- Article II, California Constitution, added by California voters in Prop 43 on March 5, 2002

Election Code requirements "shall be liberally construed so that the real will of the electors will not be defeated by any informality or failure to comply with all of the provisions of the law."
- California Elections Code, Sec. 19001

Los Angeles County's acting Registrar of Voters, Dean Logan, says, in a report delivered to the County Board of Supervisors yesterday, on the "Double Bubble" debacle from last Super Tuesday's Presidential Primary Election, that he believes it will be "impossible to determine with absolute certainty" the intentions of some 100,000 non-partisan voters who chose to vote in either the Democratic or American Independent Party's open primary, despite selections having been made for one of the Presidential candidates on their ballots.

Allow me to put this as nicely as I can: Dean Logan is full of shit...

FULL STORY, LOGAN'S REPORT, LINK TO PETITION DEMANDING EVERY VOTE BE COUNTED!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5688
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:22 PM
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1. Double Bubble Toil and Trouble - Kicked, Recommended and heading off to sign
the petition!

Thank you.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:22 PM
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2. By hand.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:23 PM
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5. Exactly.
*So* passive aggressive on the part of the registrar. :eyes:
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:42 PM
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16. Unfortunately you can't do it by hand because the same bubbles were used for AI and DEM. NT
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:50 PM
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19. Yes you can.
For the moment, virtually ever ballot can --- and should --- be counted and counted accurately...

Each precinct where a Non-Partisan (NP, otherwise known as "Decline to State" or DTS) voter chose to "cross-over" and vote in either the Democratic or American Ind. Party primary will have a notation of that cross-over in the poll book, as poll workers were instructed to cross off "NP" next to their name, and write in either DEM or AI.

Most polling places had no NP voters who chose to "cross-over" and vote AI, but many who chose to vote DEM. If so, one can count every single NP ballot that had a vote for president on it, as a vote in the Democratic primary.

If there happens to be one or two voters who chose to vote AI (as unlikely as that seems), then fine, you can statistically subtract X% of votes from each NP Democratic vote if you wish and still end up drastically lowering the current error rate where as many as 100,000 votes are currently recorded in error as "no vote" for President.

This is incredible.

From the OP Link.
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:40 PM
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24. Yes, you can do it by hand...

Most precincts had ZERO non-partisan voters who crossed-over to the Dem primary. In most precincts you will find that NP (non-partisan) voters asked to vote in the Dem primary.

It's notated in the poll book from each precinct.

This is a no-brainer. Folks who don't wish to count the ballots are making it anything but.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:23 PM
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3. Incredible.... Just Signed
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:23 PM
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4. Hey Brad. Stay on top of the Michigan and Florida potential hijack please!!!
I'm a Michigan voter and I'm livid. Many MANY Of the dems in this state didn't go to the polls because we were told that our vote wouldn't count. Now Hillary is trying to seat the delegates to her advantage when we in Michigan were denied a free and fair election!

Florida too for that matter. Dems in that state were also told that their vote didn't count and many also sat out!

Also, keep on New Mexico. What the hell happened there!

Thank you for all you do!!!!
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 08:41 PM
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25. Trying to keep an eye on all of it...
...But it's not easy. Guess I need to figure out how to give hearts for donations at BRAD BLOG :-)

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:25 PM
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6. What this tells me is that those 100,000 votes would make a substantial...
difference to "a specific" candidate in that primary and the election official knows that it would likely change the outcome... Thats how I read it.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:25 PM
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7. Thank you Brad.
You rock! Many kudos for your dedication and persistence.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:26 PM
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8. Are they drunk?
Who cares if they mark party and candidate. Just count the candidate votes.

Damn.

K&R
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:27 PM
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9. I still don't see why it's so goddamned hard to just look at the Presidential nominee bubble...
Fuck the second bubble. Reprogram the machines to discount the party bubble or count them by hand.

Issuing an "our bad" on the ballot design doesn't cut it.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:34 PM
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13. it's not
it should be simple. If the voter circled Obama they wanted to vote for Obama, if they circled Clinton, they wanted to vote for Clinton.

Only an idiot wouldn't know the voter's intent.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:29 PM
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10. just a peek of things to come
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:30 PM
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11. My folks were given repub ballots because they didn't have dem ones...how
Edited on Wed Feb-13-08 07:31 PM by ourbluenation
stupid is that?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:34 PM
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12. these are Obamas votes.
they should be counted! ughz
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:37 PM
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14. Dean Logan? Name sounded familiar....sure enough!
He was one of the people who had trouble with the King County elections, when Christine Gregoire barely eked out a win.



http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/273692_logan13.html
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:43 PM
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17. Good find and a very interesting reason for him to leave King County...
"In an interview Monday, Logan said a factor in his decision to leave his job as director of the Records, Elections and Licensing Services Division was the "toxic environment" surrounding the elections operation. It heated up after the contested 2004 governor's election and intensified again recently over Sims' vote-by-mail plan."
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:42 PM
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15. I hate intentional voter disenfranchisement!
This has given me a headache from the beginning. It still does. If anybody tries this bull during the general, my head will explode!

How are these companies allowed to even sell these systems? They seem to promote elections that will not be in compliance with the Voting Rights Act.

And why, can anybody tell me, would you design a system that will either count/not-count a vote, depending on how you vote on another issue? The reason that this capability for programming the scanner exists at all is to provide an opportunity for mischief. There is no LEGITIMATE reason for it to even have this capability.

Another discussion> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x497331
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:48 PM
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18. Signed and kick
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:50 PM
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20. This kind of confusion can be avoided by caucusing
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CalGator Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:52 PM
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23. but then CA wouldn't count. nt
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:50 PM
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21. LA County is filled with corruption
does not surprise me they do not have their act together. it is very sad to see the amount of incompetence and corruption in the city and county where I live. Our mayor and Hillary surrogate is a lot of the problem.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 07:51 PM
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22. Kick & R.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 10:32 PM
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26. K&R n/t
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:01 AM
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27. kick
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