If Hillary loses Texas, IT'S OVER

[ButterflyBlood]

This is supposedly her "big comeback". If she fails to deliver, what then? And it's not outside the realm of possibility considering possible big crossover from die-hard Hillary-hating Republicans with the GOP race already done.

But if she loses Texas (or Ohio for that matter), the Obama-bashing from the Hillbots here needs to end, because IT'S OVER.

[LakeSamish706]

1. Even bigger than that, if Hillary doesn't win Texas big, its over. n/t

[FormerDittoHead]

9. True. She needs a TEXAS sized win down there, and I don't see that happening...

I have very good friends in Texas, and I've been there quite a few times. My experiences aren't scientific but I can tell you this:

I'm sure she has her followers down there, but Texans LOVE to HATE Hillary.

Texans aren't so much for "come backs" as they are for "winners". (Funny how that's different in the Northeast)

In NJ, I voted for her, I'm not anti-Hillary, but momentum is a reality, and Obama's got it rolling like a freight train...

[sloppyjoe25s]

34. FORMER Rush Fan?

Rush is the absolute greatest!! Rush is the meaning of life! The source of all that is good in the Universe!!

I like your post - but how can anyone be a FORMER Rush fan?!?

sorry... for being off topic - but i'm reeling at your screen name... ;)

[liberalnurse]

33. She will Clean Up in Ohio.........

Just sit back in your seat, fasten your seat belt because it all changes in Ohio....soon.

[sloppyjoe25s]

38. You agree she needs AT LEAST 25 points margin in Ohio?

to remain viable in pledged delegates?

[ginnyinWI]

45. that's what James Carville said, almost--

He said:

"Make no mistake," Bill Clinton's former chief strategist told the Orlando Sentinel. "If she loses either Texas or Ohio, this thing is done."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/13/carville-do-or-die-for-clinton-in-texas-and-ohio/

[CreekDog]

2. Actually, if she doesn't win it big, it's over

big as in 65%+, otherwise she has to win PA, OH with over 70%.

not happening.

[Yael]

3. Mathmatically, she has to with BOTH Texas and Ohio by at least 60%

[rateyes]

4. She not only has to win it,

she has to do a 2-1 margin there, or it's over.

[Bucky]

5. If Clinton loses Texas, I will feel a furrowing up my leg

And it will probaby be an otter with Chris Matthews's face!


EEEEK!!!

[SoFlaJet]

8. BWAHAHAAAAAAAAA

I wonder WTF he meant by that? Was he getting a "Boener" or something?

[Whisp]

6. All My Axes Live in Texas.

we will see.

[Barack_America]

7. It's just over.

I just don't see how she can pull 60-65% off. She hasn't done it thus far and now must do it in the face of Obama's momentum? Sorry, but no.

I'm not trying to be a downer or gloat, but I just don't see it happening.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. Whitney says ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g89hNVQ96YE

[Barack_America]

42. What a classy and intelligent rebuttal. Thanks.

:sarcasm:

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Oh lighten up,

Good god.

[loveangelc]

10. i think that's pretty much what everyone's thinking is...lol

but it needs to be a blowout

[Birthmark]

11. If Texas gets hit by an asteroid, IT'S OVER

[TheDonkey]

12. Breaking: Images from Clinton's TX campaign HQ

Located in Alamo TX

[ronnykmarshall]

46. Another great example of UNITY and HOPE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g89hNVQ96YE

[OzarkDem]

13. Enough already

please stop the "if Hillary doesn't do this or that" stuff.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Why?

She has a very short and clear lists of things she has to do in order to not become completely irrelevant. Why can't people talk about that?

[high density]

16. Don't worry

OzarkDem would be calling for Obama to pull out of the race if he was in the position that Clinton is in right now. I think everybody is giving her a huge benefit of doubt that she doesn't deserve.

[Yael]

15. It isn't personal -- its math

[tekisui]

Mark Penn started it. He said she had to win TX and OH.

And be within 25 delegates of Obama on March 5th.

[totodeinhere]

I thought that this forum was for discussing the primaries.

So where do you get off telling people what they can't discuss? What Hillary has to do to win the nomination is very relevant to this forum IMHO.

[Bicoastal]

23. James Carville is actually the one who said it. It's currently on cnn.com.

"Make no mistake," Bill Clinton's former chief strategist told the Orlando Sentinel. "If she loses either Texas or Ohio, this thing is done."

[liberalnurse]

36. Relax sister............

let fools spin their wheels.............They better fasten their seat belts because the roller coaster ride is just about ready to depart from the station; rushing thrills approaching.

[mtnsnake]

17. Why would she lose Texas? The lady hasn't even turned it up a notch yet. Look out when she does.

[ButterflyBlood]

21. Wait till Giuliani really hits at Florida! n/t

[onehandle]

18. Really? Are you sure? Thank you captain obvious. nt

[Little Star]

19. Sorry, it depends on the margins of delegates, not winning a

state. This thing is going on till the last dog dies.

[ButterflyBlood]

22. How's she going to get more delegates without Texas?

It's virtually mathematically impossible.

[Little Star]

You think Obama is going to take every delegate in Texas? Can

I have some of what your smokin?

[ButterflyBlood]

32. He won't of course. But he doesn't need to.

He already has a lead, and Hillary needs around 56% of the upcoming delegates to even tie it. Even if Texas is a tie delegate wise, this number goes up, and it becomes almost impossible. Hillary meanwhile needs every delegate she can get. Even winning Texas by a few delegates probably isn't enough.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. If she continues to lose, she's going to drop out

Her campaign has already drawn a line in the sand, the establishment is going to want the fighting to end, and she is going to want to save her political career.

[Little Star]

31. She is not going to drop out till the last vote is counted. Watch out

she's coming back.......Stronger than ever! You will see, but not until it's to late for your boy.

[Radical Activist]

20. What happened to Ohio?

Last week I kept hearing about how she was going to win Ohio too. But since the Tuesday primaries I don't hear bout it anymore. I guess we know what the Clinton strategy is.

If Texas is the only state she wins that day then she's done.

[hell-bent]

29. Well, she is leading in Ohio by 17 points.

And then there is Pennsylvania. It ain't over till it's over,eh. Meanwhile, perhaps the MSM will start to look at the new Messiah more closely. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

[mopinko]

25. if it wasn't already over, she would be

in wisconsin.

[Politicub]

26. Maybe so. Then you can dance on her political grave

Won't that be fun? You could symbolically mount her head on a pike, and even create a jaunty YouTube video set to Mozart's Funeral March.

It would be such a hoot.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. You whine about Obama bashing and yet post that picture.

How lovely.

I'll be on the look out for any olive branch you might extend. More like stink weed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g89hNVQ96YE

[NJSecularist]

28. She doesn't have to win by a large margin to keep going

She just needs to win. Then she can take this to the convention.

If she loses Texas, all bets are off, however.

[hell-bent]

41. I hope she brings her delegates to the convention

and causes a deadlock. Then, the two of them have to decide on an alternative nominee. That would give me great pleasure to see the Obama supporters on this site scream like hell!

[David Zephyr]

30. It's already just about over. Even Texas can't save her if she loses Ohio.

The train is already off the track and is only now seeking a crash landing.

[Bongo Prophet]

37. "...the Obama-bashing from the Hillbots here needs to end..." Can you even hear yourself?

End. the. name. calling. PLEASE.

[Chicago1]

39. If Hillary LOSES: Thank you Lord for hearing our prayer

Then Senator Obama can get down to work and start pounding on McNOTHING!!!


START THE IMPEACHMENT

[ORDem]

40. One could argue that it's already over.

Obama leads in delegates and popular vote, EVEN if you were to count FL and MI.

Clinton's hill is too steep to climb, unless she wins BOTH TX and OH by at least 60%.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/13/661146.aspx

Cumulative vote totals for primaries and caucuses to date:
States Awarding Delegates
Total Vote %
Obama 9,373,334 50%
Clinton 8,674,779 46%
Others 726,095 4%

With Florida
Total Vote %
Obama 9,942,375 49%
Clinton 9,531,987 46%
Others 984,236 4%

With Florida and Michigan
Total Vote %
Obama 9,942,375 47%
Clinton 9,860,138 47%
Others 1,249,922 6%

[TalkAgain]

44. If she doesn't win by more than 15% it is over