If Hillary isn't the nominee.....

[BlackVelvet04]

I will write her name in.

Women make up over 50% of the population of this country but having a woman on the ballot...any ballot, is still a novelty. I have decided that for every election I vote for that doesn't have a woman on the ballot I will write one in. No longer will I support the good old boy system that thinks it has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. A system that has to be fought to give attention to female diseases. A system that takes my vote as a woman for granted.

I have fought for women's rights for 30+ years and I still witness sexism and misogyny on a daily basis. I will no longer give my vote to those who perpetuate that system.

And that's my final answer.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Sisterhood! n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

34. Absolutely!

Hi Fredda, I don't think we've met.

[Fredda Weinberg]

149. A pleasure to greet anyone w/Rose the Riveter!

As a female CTO, it's such a pleasant grind ... I know generations paved the way for me.

[WillyT]

174. Um... THIS Is Rose The Riviter...

I have no idea who that cartoon character was.

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

236. does not take much to confuse you I see.

[WillyT]

255. O Rodeo, Rodeo... Where For Art Thou, O Rodeo ???

You're right. I am confused.

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

280. oh well, happens to the best of us. (some more than others)---Cheers

[Fredda Weinberg]

288. There she is ... my mother used to sing about her while I was still toddling

What's wrong w/the cartoon? Is there a gag here I haven't gotten yet?

[WillyT]

332. It Looks Like Jane Jetson, Or Wilma Flinstone As Rosie !!!

I think the orifinal is profound, I have no idea why the others occur in nature at all.

Unless you're into McGruff the crime dog.

:shrug:

[Fredda Weinberg]

334. I'll blame it on my glasses ... who needs 20/20 vision, I say ... but

it can lead to embarrassing mistakes. Good thing I'm not perfect!

[alphafemale]

341. It's Hillary's Face on Rosie's body...I think.

"Yes We Can!" ...co opt slogans and trademarks..."

[Colobo]

2. I could make the same case for a black man. It's about damn time.

[GarbagemanLB]

17. It's a one way street with these Hillbots. They see sexism but think racism is gone.

[rodeodance]

23. don't make that assumption please.--we are not a monolithic group.

[VotesForWomen]

240. care to back that up? or were you just making sh*t up? nt

[rodeodance]

274. I do not know what you would like me to back up??

[donheld]

31. I could make the same case for a gay man. It's about damn time.

How about a gay black man? :bounce::bounce::bounce:

[GarbagemanLB]

37. A black lesbian in a wheelchair is the next barrier to break.

[Muttocracy]

as long as she's an atheist! :)

[babylonsister]

143. LOL! She'd win for sure! nt

[Aussie leftie]

182. how about a gay, black woman n/t

[ironflange]

319. well maybe condi will run next time

rofl

[maddiejoan]

Can We Do It?

[BlackVelvet04]

5. May I use that photo? n/t

[maddiejoan]

13. u betcha!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

40. Thanks, maddiejoan! n/t

[WillyT]

191. HELLO !!!

Please do NOT turn Rosie into some idiotic cartoon!!!

:wtf:

[Hoof Hearted]

272. Here's one for you Willy - - >

[foo_bar]

214. you might want to shrink it a bit

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[Hoof Hearted]

270. Here's another one!

[rodeodance]

81. post your rally OP over here--will get some visibility (if you want)

[rodeodance]

11. Post a link you Rally over here on this one please. thanks.

[BlackVelvet04]

59. sorry....what? n/t

[rodeodance]

77. opps, sorry wrong person.

[Whisp]

281. yep, she can. the ole fist up the small peoples asses.

with corporate back up.

[sueragingroz]

3. you go grrl!

K&R

It's time to get angry!

[rodeodance]

4. love yah::-)

[BlackVelvet04]

10. Back at ya!

Woman power!

[BlackVelvet04]

6. I don't know about anybody else

BUT I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!

[rodeodance]

7. RECCOMEND

[BlackVelvet04]

62. Thanks. n/t

[Clintonista2]

8. I think very few people on DU support Hillary more than I do but...

It's ridiculous not to vote for the nominee, even if it's Obama. A non-vote is a vote for McCain.

[BlackVelvet04]

14. Too bad.......

I'm not voting for someone I don't really want ever again. Fuck that....no more holding my nose and voting for some man that I don't trust, like or believe in.

I'M DONE PLAYING.

[onenote]

Senator John McCain sends you his deepest thanks.

What makes you happy, makes him happy. Isn't that just wonderful!

:sarcasm:

[dansolo]

55. So you're OK if people choose not to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee?

As you say, no more holding my nose and voting for some that I don't trust, like , or believe in.

[BlackVelvet04]

173. Vote for who you want. n/t

[still_one]

61. Hillary stuck with bill clinton after he cheated on her. She is more reasonible than you are /nt

[griffi94]

64. you go girl

it's yer vote and you don't owe it to anybody.....

[BlackVelvet04]

176. Thanks. n/t

[MagickMuffin]

338. Then you WILL be responsible for the Rethuglicons winning,

and if you would rather have McLameBrain, then Thanks a lot. I'm sure he will be such an improvement over having a Democrat in the White House.

As a woman and a Democrat I will VOTE FOR OUR NOMINEE.

[rodeodance]

16. depends on which state one lives in.

[still_one]

33. I am a strong supporter of Obama, but if Hillary is the nominee, not only will I support her

but I will ACTIVELY support her

[AX10]

9. kick

[still_one]

12. Does that also mean you won't vote for the Democratic nominee unless it is Hillary? /nt

[BlackVelvet04]

18. I will write Hillary's name in. Period. n/t

[still_one]

46. If you can't have your nominee, and if it isn't a woman, what an idiotic response /nt

[Jed Dilligan]

15. I hope you aren't in a swing state!

[BlackVelvet04]

65. Virginia is becoming a swing state.....

it's yet to be seen if it actually is or not.

[Jed Dilligan]

98. Sorry to hear that.

One thing that puzzles me: how do you think a Hillary Clinton presidency would affect sexism in American society? Is it policy? My belief is that Clinton and Obama would both pursue pro-woman and pro-black policies because these voters are the cornerstone of the party. McCain would pursue anti-woman and anti-black policies because racists and sexists are the cornerstone of his party. Just a little food for thought...

[Arugula Latte]

222. If Obama is the nominee, Virginia will go blue.

Bet on it.

[Renew Deal]

19. You can always vote for McCain when he picks Condi

Support the cause!

[BlackVelvet04]

22. Nope, I'm writing Hillary's name in. What part of that

did you not get?

[Renew Deal]

28. But you can have a woman as VP

Having a female VP would do wonders for womans issues.

[rodeodance]

88. who will that be?

[Renew Deal]

115. For the republicans, Condi.

[verges]

144. By writing in ANYBODY's name

She's already voting for McCain.

[Indenturedebtor]

20. I'm sorry

But if Lieberman ran in the GE I wouldn't vote for him just because I'm Jewish. My two reasons for voting for Hillary in the GE would be that she's a woman and she's a dem. But you're saying that you would cast a vote for McDeath just to gratify some self serving wish?

If McDeath wins again it has to be said that you would have all of his blood on your hands. Sorry but that's the truth of it. Cut off your nose to spite your face and all that.

[BlackVelvet04]

67. Did you see me say I would vote for McCain?

I don't think so. Let me type this real slow so maybe you can get it....

I W..I..L..L W..R..I..T..E.... H..I..L..L..A..R..Y.. I..N.

Did you get that?

[Spider Jerusalem]

142. A vote for a write-in candidate might as well be a vote for the Republican.

Do YOU not get THAT?

[BlackVelvet04]

156. Nope.......

it's just one less for Obama.

[verges]

160. Which would be

one less that McCain has to get.

[BlackVelvet04]

167. Well since Obama is such a shoe in my vote won't make any

difference anyway.

[verges]

184. Who said

it would be a shoo in? I honestly believe that this is going to be a close race. And even if it's not, better to assume it will be.

[verges]

150. Same thing.

Same thing.
(assuming Hillary IS NOT the nominee)

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Ya know. I have had just about enough of this corprat bullshit. I am done.

I backed and supported and still do Edwards. I got behind Hillary recently. But you know, this was all decided before hand. Obama is the chosen one and he will be defeated by McCain. We are being played liked we always have been. It's all crap!

[BlackVelvet04]

24. Yep...

I'm not going to be a party to it by voting for Obama. I'm writing Hillary's name in.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. One could hold a gun to my head and I still wouldn't vote for Obama! I don't like that guy! I don't

trust him!

[BlackVelvet04]

75. I don't trust him either and I'm not going to

hold my nose and vote any more.

[SammyWinstonJack]

97. I hear you and I am done! I have had enough of this corprat crap! Fool me no more!

[verges]

170. Do you trust McCain?

If not, why make it easier for him to win? Either John McCain or the Democratic Nominee IS going to be President. By not votingfor the Dem, you make it that much easier for the wrong side to win (it will then require fewer votes.) This is going to be a close election, I fear. EVERY single vote counts. Have we forgotten Florida 2000 already?

[emilyg]

209. Neither am I.

[rodeodance]

38. glad to hear you went with Hill. stay with us please--if you can.

[NanceGreggs]

42. Funny how a few scant weeks ago ...

... Hillary was the candidate who people weren't going to vote for because she was "the chosen one".

This makes just about as much sense - which is no sense at all.

[BlackVelvet04]

68. It makes no sense to me to continue to vote for people

I don't really want. I'm done doing that.

[NanceGreggs]

111. I vote for who I believe my country needs ...

... not who I "want" on a personal level. It's not all about me; it's about everyone, together.

[SammyWinstonJack]

116. You are corprat sell out!

[NanceGreggs]

134. Wow! That was an intelligent, mature comeback ...

:eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

186. Ya know I am not a fan of yours and I guess that shows.

:eyes: How mature are you? When you call those who won't go along with the corporate media whore pick for President,"alleged" democrats? And why do you care, being in Canada and being able to partake of their most excellent health care, virtually free? We who aren't expatriates, have too fight for our existence and our way of life. You are exempt of that, are you not?

[JeffR]

203. Why would you assume expatriates don't care about their country?

You might want to give that a bit more thought.

[SammyWinstonJack]

212. Well they do have the luxury of not being here, do they not? I don't have to it any thought,

actually. Why did they leave? Cowards? :shrug:

[JeffR]

237. If this is how you "discuss" something

I think I'll pass. No doubt I could spend my time more profitably trimming my beard or something. Thanks so much the dialogue. I'm sure Socrates himself would be impressed.

[SammyWinstonJack]

243. Hey trimming your beard would probably be more beneficial for you.

Works for me. So what you are saying is that you are so much smarter than me? You must be a Obama supporter? :eyes:

[JeffR]

246. Kucinich actually

For all the good it did me.

[SammyWinstonJack]

251. Sorry, he is a good man. Maybe some day, his time will come. I admire him.

[JeffR]

253. He is

I think he can still do great things in the House, at least, as long as he keeps speaking out. But I really miss his voice in this race.

[NanceGreggs]

215. Oh, I see where I went terribly wrong ...

... as an American citizen living in Canada, I shouldn't care what happens to my country, my family members living there, or my fellow citizens.

Jesus H. Christ, give it a rest. You are really making a fool of yourself.

[miceelf]

219. ???

You're supporting Clinton and you're annoyed that someone else is supporting the corporate candidate? She's more corporate than anyone.

[dionysus]

312. you're the douchebag proudly proclaiming you'll help the rethugs.

maroon...

[BlackVelvet04]

120. I've done that for 36 years....

I'll vote for who I want now.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. .

:thumbsup:

[SammyWinstonJack]

107. Well according to you I am an "alleged" Democrat!

:puke: And when McCain beats your "chosen" one, who will you blame then?

[NanceGreggs]

118. Well, if the shoe fits ...

And BTW, John McCain isn't going to beat anyone.

[SammyWinstonJack]

LOL I will bookmark this!

[dionysus]

313. idiots like you who enabled the republican, thats who.

[still_one]

127. Corporate bullshit, what do you think the Clintons are? /nt

[verges]

157. Just a few months

ago, everyone was saying Hillary and Guiliani were the chosen ones!!

[onenote]

25. because you'll feel better with a repub president?

If HRC is the nominee, I'll vote for her.
If Obama is the nominee, I'll vote for him.

Under no circumstances am I going to waste my vote...an action that indirectly helps a candidate who is going to have the endorsement of chimpy and cheney. If you can't bring yourself to vote to defeat the candidate the chimpy and cheney support, well...

Then again, if McCain gets elected and appoints a few more pro-life justices, no biggie..eh?

[BlackVelvet04]

29. Do what you have to do and I'll do what I have to do....

I have to live with me. I have to look myself in the mirror. I'm not voting for one more man that I don't want to support just because. I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT ANY MORE.

[onenote]

50. Just remember that when you look in the mirror, John McCain will be smiling back at you

Because you will have, as they say, made his day.

[griffi94]

69. where are you buying yer mirrors

:rofl:

[BlackVelvet04]

71. Nice try.....

I don't do guilt.

[onenote]

you also apparently don't do smart either

[BlackVelvet04]

82. I'm smart enough to quit voting for people I don't really want to

see in office.

[onenote]

87. so that other people you don't want in office will get elected?

Or am I mistaken and you do want McCain in office. Because there is no inbetween here. Either the Democratic candidate gets elected or the Republican candidate gets elected. So maybe you should stop thinking of your vote as being "for" someone and just look at it as a vote "against" someone.

[BlackVelvet04]

106. Nope, been doing that for 36 years. No more. n/t

[Telly Savalas]

179. And of the 300 million or so Americans whose name you could write on the ballot

there isn't a single one preferable to a Senator who voted to authorize Bush's war?

[BlackVelvet04]

258. Nice try........

I voted for Kerry as did most Democrats and he voted for the same bill. And given his history of saying he wouldn't fund the war and then funding it, he would have voted for it too.

[JAbuchan08]

292. that was four years ago, remember.... that's when we found out you can't have it both ways on Iraq

and Hillary would like us to repeat the same mistake.

[verges]

183. But smart enough

to waste your vote on a meaningless gesture that will help the Republicans keep the White House 4-8 more years. And while they are there at least two Supreme Court justices will keel over. Pro-life Justices WILL be appointed. I can certainly see how you feel that will serve woman's causes. (sarcasm thingie)

[David Zephyr]

26. You won't have to write her name in because she will be the VP on the ticket.

You can vote for her as VP along with Obama like me. ;-)

[GarbagemanLB]

27. There is absolutely no way she would be offered the VP slot on an Obama ticket.

[rodeodance]

44. don't worry, she would never accept it.

[thereismore]

30. Condi Rice is a woman. Would you? Could you? On a train? In a tree? nt

[GarbagemanLB]

35. If she has a vagina, I'm voting for her! Screw the issues!

[Indenturedebtor]

57. Yeah no kidding

This sort of race/gender shit justifies the idiotic racist chauvenists that you rail against.

You're sinking to their level regardless of the injustices that have been done.

Jews have been killed and raped and robbed and spit on and slandered and so on and so on for thousands of years. Does that make it ok for me to go out and do that to someone? Does that make it ok for me to vote McCain if a Jewish Liberal runs against him? ON EDIT for unclearness: Does that make it ok for me to vote for McCain if my Jewish Liberal candidate loses the primary?

Think about it for a minute. You're belittling women and HRC's issues with this petty crap. Sorry but you need to give this some more thought. Sometimes I write things that I regret when I get all fired up as well but I really don't think you've given this much thought.

[BlackVelvet04]

79. .......

I'm tired of playing the game. No more. If that's petty to you fine...I'm tired of selling out.

[BlackVelvet04]

86. Makes as much sense as voting for someone because he

talks good.

[BlackVelvet04]

124. Well that's better than voting for someone

who got nominated because he has a noodley appendage.

[JAbuchan08]

320. It is?

seems about the same too me.

Plus there are not NEARLY as many people who are voting for Barack because he is a man as are for Hillary because she is a woman.
I'm sure there are both open and closeted sexists voting against Hillary, but it seems to me that there are not nearly so many Obama supporters who openly profess to be voting based on gender as there are Hillary supporters that do. Even if you presume that many Obama supporters are *secretly* voting for him based on gender I doubt the number is as great as those who are overtly voting for Hillary based on gender.

[Genevieve]

32. yeah, as a jew I should've voted for Lieberman.

Not.

[blm]

36. I only vote for Open Government Democrats. No matter if they are male or female.

Because without open government we have no other rights secured.

[rodeodance]

48. so, you won't be voting come september.

[Bongo Prophet]

276. Do you have any opinion on opening up government, rodeodance? What are your thoughts?

I always see dozens and dozens of your posts, but never anything that gave me a sense of what principles or governing philosophy you may hold.

Consider the fact that I am a Texas voter, and I am open for discussion. Even though I have tried to engage in non-confrontational dialog with you, I have never gotten a response. you seem to have plenty of time to fight, but I am not interested in fighting, I am interested in the welfare of this planet and its many lifeforms.


Give me some sense that there is a human being on the other side of this screen.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

[Endangered Specie]

39. McCain should send you a personal thank you note.

[BlackVelvet04]

126. Maybe I can sell it on Ebay. n/t

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

41. You are right, sexism is the only reason Hillary is losing!

:rofl:

[still_one]

52. Those terrible women who support Obama, maybe they are not really women? /nt

[rodeodance]

70. what an idiotic thing to say

[still_one]

95. It was meant as sarcasm to the inane post of the OP /nt

[rodeodance]

54. go drop your POOP on another thread

[BlackVelvet04]

73. I don't think I said that either....

no, I'm sure I didn't.

[Hippo_Tron]

45. Those strict contstructionist judges McCain will appoint are going to do wonders for womens' rights

:eyes:

[Muttocracy]

47. yep

[smoogatz]

49. And the whirling cosmos stopped. And time stood still.

Okay, not really. Actually, nobody gives a shit.

[griffi94]

89. i beg to differ

it seems plenty of posters give a shit....

[BlackVelvet04]

90. You gave enough of one to come into this thread

and take a dump.

[smoogatz]

310. I was bored.

But in a general way it's actually becoming a pet peeve of mine—all the so-called Democrats here at DU declaring their undying fealty to a particular candidate, come hell or high water, even if it means throwing the general to McCain. In terms of policy, Obama and Clinton are so close you could barely slide a playing card between them. So it really comes down to a question of personality: who we like better, who speaks our language. I prefer Obama—I don't trust Hillary's DLC triangulating—but where the rubber meets the road, either would ultimately be fine. The squabbliing over personalities is utterly uninteresting; what matters is that we put a Democrat in the WH with a broad-based mandate for change (by change we mean government not sucking at its job anymore).

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

51. Maybe others should follow suit?

Every Mexican should write a Mexican on the ballot. Every black should write a black on the ballot. Every person 35 or under should write a 35 year old's name on the ballot. After all, these groups make up a huge portion of our population.

[onenote]

93. maybe everyone should just write their own name in.

Of course, that means that John Smith will be the president.

[BlackVelvet04]

96. Maybe they should. n/t

[verges]

194. I'm a white, male, veteran.

Should I vote for McCain?

[Danger Mouse]

53. McCain would be 100x worse than Obama.

'Protest' votes are well in good, but in this case, when so much is at stake...it strikes me as a little...selfish.
I'm behind obama, but I would back Hillary, too.
I want to WIN.

[BlackVelvet04]

94. I've been unselfish in my voting for

36 years. If it's selfish, oh well, too bad.

[Danger Mouse]

140. I just don't get it, though...for instance, McCain would likely appoint judges...

that would overturn Roe v. Wade...at the very least.
Isn't it against your self-interest NOT to support the Democratic nominee, even if it isn't Hillary?

[BlackVelvet04]

151. I guess it's time for the young women to start fighting to save

that which WE fought for them to have in the first place.

I thought Obama had this one well in hand????

[Danger Mouse]

198. Well, it'd be good to see young women getting energized to support the democrats.

And what do you mean, 'you thought that obama had this one well in hand'?
If you mean, that he's going to win, I haven't said I think he's going to win for sure.
I think his chances have improved significantly, but I'm far from counting Hillary out of the fight.

[BlackVelvet04]

201. I guess all that gloating I've seen is just a figment of my imagination.

Please. n/t

[Danger Mouse]

205. When have I been gloating?

Please provide links to specific examples of it.

[BlackVelvet04]

213. Not necessarily you....

Obama supporters.

[miceelf]

226. jeez

There was some serious gloating after NH. Both sides gloat.

[Danger Mouse]

227. In the past, I've asked my fellow Obama supporters NOT to gloat...

because it's tasteless and looks bad.
I may be an Obama supporter, but I'm not a total asshole.
I'm not in this to make anyone feel bad...I'm in this to see a Democrat in the White House in 2008.
If I get nasty with someone, it's because they got nasty first.

[BlackVelvet04]

231. And I thank you for that. n/t

[Danger Mouse]

235. I get out of hand sometimes, lose my temper...we all say things we shouldn't...

or later regret.
In the end, we're all in this together, more or less.
I'd hope we can all unite behind whoever is our nominee is in November...but I can't twist anyone's arm.
Your choice is yours alone, and it seems you've fought long and hard for your cause.
I can't honestly find fault with you for making that choice now.
I guess maybe my feelings are changing a little...that's the thing about DU...all the time I'm being educated, or being enlightened.

[BlackVelvet04]

250. Thank you......

it's so close and yet so far away.

[Danger Mouse]

260. agreed.

best of luck to hillary.
i respect her, and will happily vote for her if she wins.
:hug:

[MrsT]

56. Great idea

if you want President McCain.

[GodlessBiker]

58. If a woman is all you want, write in Ann Coulter.

[Jack Sprat]

60. Aw....now. If Sen Clinton was suddenly electrifying

the party and winning the nomination, we would support her. It's about beating the Repugs. It's about winning for our country. If she wins the nomination, we will support her.

[Joe the Revelator]

63. You understand that your post is ironically sexist, right?

nt

[still_one]

66. Her post is flame bait. I believe the OP wants people to respond with anti-women remarks

to justify her position. what the OP doesn't understand is that isn't going to happen here

[rodeodance]

74. i do not think she cares what you or others think--and that is fine with me.

[still_one]

83. I am simply stating my opinion, and I don't care what YOU think /nt

[BlackVelvet04]

99. Ask me if I care............n/t

[still_one]

102. Obviously you do or you would not have responded /nt

[NastyRiffraff]

72. Well, BlackVelvet, you'll do what you want, of course

Your mind is made up, but I'm talking to others who are thinking about doing the same thing.

A non-vote in this race shouldn't be an option. There's too much at stake. I, too, would love to have a woman on the ballot...and I loved voting for Hillary in yesterday's primary. But I will definitely vote for Obama, and against McCain, in the GE should he be on the ballot.

[BlackVelvet04]

101. There's ALWAYS too much at stake....

that's what the GLBT community always hears....don't make waves, don't rock the boat, there's too much at stake.

[NastyRiffraff]

128. And you'll "rock the boat" by voting for someone off the ballot? How? n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

168. I'm not trying to rock the boat....

I'm just not playing the game any more. I want to be HAPPY with who I vote for. If that can't happen I'll write in Hillary.

[NMMNG]

135. Bingo

Well to hell with that. Nobody gives a damn about us, our needs, our rights, our lives. All they ever want is our money, support and especially our votes. What we get in return is calls to STFU and promises that our time will come later, later, forever later. We're sick of promises. We want deliveries.

[still_one]

76. You must be quite disappointed that people aren't slaming women in your thread

If you want to trigger that kind of response, I suggest you present it in any right wing forum, so you can see exactly how the republicans feel

[BlackVelvet04]

103. Actually I'm not disappointed at all........

I'm glad. I answered a question that has been put to me in polls here day after day.

You didn't like my post try using the hide thread feature.

[still_one]

121. I don't believe in censorship, why would I hide this thread? /nt

[Johnny__Motown]

78. Another vote wasted. this is how Dems throw elections away

[BlackVelvet04]

130. If the Democratic party wants to run

an unvetted, rookie senator because he's some kind of rock star and they are acting like a bunch of giggly groupies, that's their choice. I'll make my own choice.

[Johnny__Motown]

196. Un-vetted? we have read his Kindergarten essays, Hillary won't even release her Tax Return or

all the papers locked away in the Clinton Library that could confirm (or refute) her claims of experience during her husband's administration.

Then we have 7 years of Bill's transactions since he left office. Uranium anyone?


Hillary is the one who isn't vetted.


If you are honestly willing to vote for someone just because of their gender then you need to ask yourself why anyone can respect your opinion.

[BlackVelvet04]

257. Who cares if you respect my opinion? Not me. n/t

[Fox Mulder]

80. Why?

We should be defeating John McCain in November instead of each other.

[El Pinko]

84. Write her name in for the general election? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

I can understand voting for Hillary in the primaries - she has some strengths that Obama does not (while he has others that she lacks). I was very close to voting for her myself.

But taking a vote away from Obama in the general election only helps McCain and is an absolutely pointless waste of a vote.

You may as well write in Gloria Steinem or Patty Murray or Maxine Waters or any number of other, truly pioneering women than Hillary, who rode into office on her husband's coattails.

Writing in Hillary's name in the General Election will only set back women's rights by making a McCain victory more likely - he is hostile to choice and has advocated endless war.




How demented to have such devotion to a candidate who is identical on paper to Obama in every way except for the genitalia.

[robbedvoter]

85. Hear, hear!

[aquarius dawning]

91. She's not just a woman Velvet, she's the better candidate. Vote for her because of that first

and foremost

[still_one]

100. That is the ONLY reason someone should vote for someone, otherwise

it does not represent rational thought

[aquarius dawning]

110. Well, that's why I'm voting for her. I do think women have been oppressed worse than anybody though

and truly deserve a champion. For gods sakes, women are being gang raped and stoned to death and having appendages hacked off and in some countries they're drowned in fucking bathtubs for even being born. That's like Hitler level of oppression. They deserve a champion.

[still_one]

131. To me that is a valid reason, because it is not simply because of gender /nt

[BlackVelvet04]

132. Thank you......

long after the slaves were freed women were still the property of their husbands or fathers. I'm tired of selling out.

[aquarius dawning]

152. I also think a woman president will undermine our radical islamic enemies.

I would love for their women to see what could be. Those are the people who need hope if you ask me. American women have had it bad enough, I freely admit that, but Jesus Christ, look at what's going on in some of these other countries. It's absolutely inhuman.

[BlackVelvet04]

197. It's the stuff nightmares are made of.

Where did this whole idea of women being inferior start?

My great grandmother was Monacan Indian and they were a matriarchal tribe. Maybe that's what makes me the way I am.

[BlackVelvet04]

108. I'm well aware of that.

I decided to support her because of the issues. And I realized it was the first time I ever really felt good about my vote.

[IndianaGreen]

92. Why didn't you vote for Elizabeth Dole when she was running for Prez?

She is as much a woman as Hillary, and they share many similarities when it comes to using the military to destroy some hapless nation to make us feel superior.

[Jamastiene]

104. Let's make this a movement start right now.

I'll do the same.

[BlackVelvet04]

133. It starts with one step.....

bless you!

[Barack_America]

105. So wait, you would jeopardize freedom of CHOICE...

...In order to symbolically vote for a woman?

If McCain wins he will likely get the chance to nominate more conservative Justices to the Supreme Court. Roe vs. Wade hangs by a thread as it is.

Yet, you would chance a reversal of Roe vs. Wade in order to write Hillary's name in?

How exactly does this further the cause for women's rights?

[still_one]

112. The OP is not jeopardizing anything. Most women and PEOPLE realize the stakes

and will not vote against women's interest or people's civil rights

[BlackVelvet04]

114. There's always going to be some reason why

someone thinks I should hold my nose and vote for someone I don't want.

[Barack_America]

119. I would think that protection of the right to choose is a pretty good reason.

I'm sorry you don't feel the same.

[BlackVelvet04]

141. I guess the younger women will have to take up the fight to save

what we fought to give them.

[Sapphocrat]

284. Y'know, you bring up an interesting point.

Countless Obama supporters keep telling me that the issue dictating the very quality of my entire life -- LGBT equality -- doesn't matter in the "big picture," and that what I know to be the truth is wrong / stupid / selfish / etc.

Here's the deal: If so many others did not vote for any of the three candidates -- Kucinich, Gravel, or Richardson -- who would have worked to give me first-class citizenship, that's far better evidence than any DU poll (or any endless arguments about McClurkin, Kirbyjon Caldwell, the Newsom snub, etc.) that most Democratic voters either don't recognize the importance of a human-rights issue in their own backyard -- or do, and really, truly don't give a damn.

Now, I ask you: Why should I continue to worry about your right to a safe and legal abortion? I mean, I'm a woman too, but I don't want children, and, as a lesbian, I'm not about to get knocked up through carelessness. Plus, as I am nearing menopause, the possibility that rape could result in an unwanted pregnancy gets more remote every year. As you can see, Roe v. Wade certainly doesn't have any direct impact on my life.

Since I've marched, rallied, written letters, blogged, and voted in support of a woman's right to choose consistently for the past +/- 30 years, yet have never received the same consideration from the majority of my fellow females when it's crunch time and my rights are at stake, why should I care about your right to choose anymore?

Go ahead, convince me I should go on defending your right to choose, when the vast majority of you have never worked to get me my rights in the first place, much less have to defend them.

[griffi94]

109. it's kind of funny

all these concerned people trying to tell you how to vote....i read all yer posts and i didn't see where you tried to tell anybody how to vote....lol.....man how do you get along at home without all these helpful tips from concerned bystanders....i also wonder how the concerned bystanders would like it if someone told them who to vote for....if obama is the lock they claim he is...yer vote shouldn't be missed......cast it like you want....that's what i always do....:yourock:

[BlackVelvet04]

117. Thank you......

exactly. I can't tell you how many times I've been told here that they don't care if I support Obama or not. Surely my vote isn't going to make or break the great Obama.

[Gore1FL]

122. I'm confused

Are you saying the dems should have given the nomination to Hillary because she is a woman, rather than expecting her to fight for it like everyone else?

That seems like you are down on a woman's ability and skills.

I think women are equal and are up to the challenge of a presidential race-- win or lose.

[griffi94]

129. i think what she's saying

is that she's voting for hillary in nov....even if she has to write her in.....i didn't read where she said hillary should be given anything... it's really pretty simple...vote for who you want to vote for

[BlackVelvet04]

137. I didn't say that at all......

I said I'm not voting for Obama or any other man that I don't want in office. I'll write in Hillary/

[Gore1FL]

277. It is certainly your choice

I know things worked out well for the protest FL and NH Nader voters in 2000. Maybe you'll have the same luck.

[New Dawn]

123. Where is my openly atheist candidate? n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

166. I can get on board with that if the candidate is a woman. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

125. I'm with you all the way! Thank you for expressing the way I feel.

:loveya:

[BlackVelvet04]

139. You're welcome

and thank you! :pals:

[billyoc]

136. Well, you have a very good chance

of needing a pencil on election day.

[Thrill]

138. Write it in then. And enjoy 4 more yrs of Bush

Hope you can make it

[griffi94]

145. i don't think

bush can run again....wasn't there a constitutional amendment that says you can only be elected to 2 terms.......

[Thrill]

155. President McCain is basically

4 more yrs of Bush

[griffi94]

161. oh ok i got it

but she's not voting for mccain....she's voting for hillary.....

[Thrill]

177. If Hillary isn't the nominee

Its a wasted Democratic vote. Which helps McCain

[verges]

221. Same thing.

Same thing.
A non-vote for the Dem candidate IS a vote for the Repubs.

[BlackVelvet04]

146. According to the Obama supporters

he can beat McCain with no problem. He'll just have to do it without my help.

[Thrill]

153. You'll only be hurting yourself

not Obama supporters. Do what you think is best for you and your family. This is why Bush got elected twice. Because Democrats never stick together.

[mtnsnake]

147. I admire your spirit

and you have a valid reason because you're doing it for a cause for which you've been fighting for 3 decades of your life.

:thumbsup:

[BlackVelvet04]

165. Thank you......

I'm running out of time. ;-)

[polticalpout]

148. So you are really just voting for vagina?

I mean I can get on board with that ;-).... but come on, would you vote for Ann Coulter just because she has one???

[BlackVelvet04]

163. Nope. n/t

[polticalpout]

206. Ummmmm, actually yes that is exactly what you are doing mama

Do you read what you write???

"If a woman isn't on the ballet I'm going to write one in"

Because all men are evil and against women and all women are good and will support women. Fk'ing brilliant!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

223. I'm not your friggin' mama......

thank the good dear Lord.

[polticalpout]

229. I meant ma'am. sorry. N/T

n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

232. Accepted, thank you. n/t

[Beausoir]

211. Jesus. Troll. I hate to break it to ya, what with you hanging out in mom's basement and all....but

there is more to a woman than just what is between her legs.

Maybe...just maybe, if you were to learn that lesson, you wouldn't be stuck in your mom's basement right now and you could be, you know, socialising with a real person!

[polticalpout]

218. Sorry, I don't check the crotch of the person I'm voting for

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE OP IS DOING!

[bling bling]

154. So THIS is the year you refuse to vote for a man.

Every other election for 36 years you've held your nose and voted for a man but THIS year you won't, huh.

It's not like it's the same old same old good old boy opponent. It's a year to break down a barrier for race too. But coincidentally, this year you're just too tired to support one more man. Can't do it. Time to say enough is enough. And yet if it boiled down to two white men again this year somehow I don't think I'd be reading this thread. You'd manage to find it in yourself to support one or the other.

You do what you have to do. Turning your back on the most loyal group of Democrats (blacks) out of bitter spite that YOUR barrier won't be broken isn't very admirable. I'm sorry to see people cheering you on.

There's no reason to dislike Obama as much as you purport too. It's phony. The man hasn't done anything to deserve the contempt he receives here. He sure as HELL hasn't done anything to cause you to refuse to vote for him. No way. Not if you've been pulling the lever for Democrats all these years. Obama's the only one to not deserve your vote, eh? Nah. Not buying it. I'll keep it real FOR you since you're too small to admit it yourself.

[BlackVelvet04]

162. You're entitled to feel the way you feel

and I'm entitled to feel how I feel. I'm not going to go into all the reasons I feel.

[griffi94]

175. hahaha that was good rant

when you said you think if 2 white guys were running she would find some way to vote for them....well yer just kind of blowin smoke out yer ass....unless yer madame cleo....are you madame cleo...casting yer vote for the candidate you think is best is not turning yer back on blacks or anybody else....a vote for hillary is a vote for hillary....nobody owes obama...or anyone else their vote......i won't presume to speak for black velvet....but i couldn't give any less of a shit about what you buy or don't buy....oh btw i would be one of those cheering her on....walking in lockstep is about the easiest thing to do that there is....it's not admirable and it doesn't take any courage at all....

[BlackVelvet04]

178. thanks

:loveya:

[bling bling]

230. I don't mind if she votes for someone who isn't on the ticket.

However. She started the thread. I'm not out there demanding lockstep, just trying to urge people to vote for Obama and not lose perspective here.

I don't think it's unreasonable, as a Democrat, on a Democratic forum, for Democrats to try to urge other "Democrats" to vote for the Democrat if he's nominated even though he's a man.

And it doesn't take a psychic to see that someone who's willing to vote for Democrats their whole life suddenly, just this year, decides NO MORE MEN, yet the man who HAPPENS to be on the ticket this year is a man representing a minority who could really use all the support he can get. Why is it so galling to you that members of your own party would want your support this year in particular? It's not like he'd be a bad choice regardless of race or gender. He's a great member of our team. Is it really that laughable to you that people want support from members of their own community?

But you and your tag team friend will be in plenty of company in you don't vote. I have a feeling you aren't the only ones who will be staying home fancying yourselves heroes of the women's movement. Because everybody knows voting for phantom candidates is the ticket to gender equality. On behalf of myself and my daughter THANKS for all your hard work on our behalf!!!!! :eyes: However, my mixed race nieces who have had a hell of a lot more race related barriers than gender barriers in their young lives probably don't consider you an ally or a hero at all in their fight. And I wouldn't try for one second to convince them that YOU and Black Velvet are the brave ones in the women's movement. Pffft. Ridiculous.

[libbygurl]

158. You go, girl!

Bet you haven't had the Kool-Aid yet, have ya? No wonder your mind's still an independent entity.

[BlackVelvet04]

169. I don't do Kook-Aid....

I prefer CC & 7. ;-)

[griffi94]

159. hi again

reading comprehension doesn't seem to be a real strong point here......does it.....did somebody just say you should vote for coulter.....hang in...good luck....

[BlackVelvet04]

171. Really...

let's see, supposedly I've said I would vote for Ann coulter and I want McCain for president. What DO they teach in school nowadays?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

164. Thankfully

most Democrats don't think like you. A vote for anyone but the nominee is a vote for McCain, pure and simple. It's a vote for more environment raping, more anti-woman judges, more wars, etc.,etc. If you don't vote for the nominee, you are a fool and extremely selfish. Enjoy "looking yourself in the mirror" when choice is taken away and we are bombing Tehran.

[BlackVelvet04]

172. Nope, it's just not a vote for Obama....

but hey, what's to worry about? He's a shoe in, remember?

[griffi94]

187. for people who are supposedly pretty liberal

we have a bunch of authoritarians here huh........everybody should get to vote....but you have to vote the way we deem fit.......we've picked the best candidate for you to vote for.....if you don't vote for them...yer a selfish racist nazi sympathizer who wants to vote for ann coulter.....besides we don't need yer stupid vote our guy is so popular and well loved and new and fresh....he'll win in a landslide....so will vote for him....because if you don't yer just stupid.........good fuckin lord it's like listen to a bunch of middle schoolers....if everybody doesn't wear the same brand of fuckin shoes....it puts em in a tailspin....i can hear their teeth grindin from here...

[BlackVelvet04]

192. Shit, I just spit water all over my keyboard....

LOL Really, how DARE I not support the rock star?

[verges]

238. If I really believed

in a landslide, I wouldn't really care. But I feel it's going to be close. And every Dem vote counts! I've got problems with both Hillary AND Obama. But, they're all we got left! I've lost three candidates so far (counting Gore.) But I understand that it's vital to keep the Repubs out of the Oval Office. Therefore, I must vote for the Dem candidate. To not do that, by voting third party or write-in or staying home, makes it easier for the Repub nominee to win. Because of my lack of vote, it would be one less vote he needed to get more than the Dem!

[rodeodance]

279. wish i could buy you a heart--but am flat broke this month-Cheers.

[judaspriestess]

180. OH HELL YEAH!!

:yourock: :applause:

Viva La Mujer!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

181. I don't know what

viva la mujer means but it sounds good! Thanks. :toast: :toast: :toast:

[judaspriestess]

189. It means

LONG LIVE WOMEN!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

190. Now that's something to drink to....

thanks.

[griffi94]

204. here take a look at hope and change

i laughed so hard i woke the kids up



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4584103

[BlackVelvet04]

208. OMG.............

a bill to name a post office. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ok, that's twice I've spit water everywhere.

[Name removed]

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[jgraz]

188. Isn't it funny that the Hillaroids have suddenly dropped their "support the nominee" rants?

Pure klass. :eyes:

[GoldieAZ49]

202. If by chance Hillary is able to pull off a win in the primary do you think they

will start the "support the nominee" rants, again?

O the double standards!

[sf_331]

193. What a way to throw away a vote

And Help McCain

[griffi94]

210. now how is it a throw away vote

if you vote for who you want to be president....i know this tough to comprehend but not everybody thinks obama is the cats whiskers......if ya don't like either nominee from either party what should ya do....not participate....that's shirkin yer civic duty.....everybody should vote....who they vote for is their own business...

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

195. Awesome! You should move to NC and vote for Libby Dole or Texas

and vote for Bailey Hutchison.

That would be really smart!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

216. No thanks...

I'm very happy here in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

[CatnHat]

200. I will also write her name in

I have had it with all the indignities thrown at her, not only by the media, the republicans and now jerks in our own party. It's sick.

After this election, I am actually contemplating changing my registration to "independent" (I have been a Democrat for many years, and worked on a couple of campaigns); after seeing what kind of trash is being posted about the Clinton's (and even Bill Clinton) is more than just disgusting. The Obama crowd has hit even a new level of "smear" campaigning, they are doing it within the party. Pathetic.

It's one thing to call the other candidate out on the "ropes" but another to drudge them through mud.


Good Luck Hillary in Texas and OH, all of us back in PA will be cheering you on. :yourock:

[BlackVelvet04]

220. That's great.....

I'm sick of it, too. I don't talk about my worst enemies the way she is talked about here.

[griffi94]

224. amen

the volume and viciousness has kind of put me off of obama as well......to hear obama supporters you'd think the clintons were neocons.......they're blaming him for everything from global warming to their own bad dental checkups......it's like some weird pods from planet limbaugh......

[rodeodance]

249. obamacampers steel a lot of Hillary hate from the RW pundits and use it here on DU. Best

in PA===I am working some phones here in WI right now.

Here is one that just went up--its insane what is happening on this board!!

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject I say to those who claim Hillary is not divisive: Turn on your Tv
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4584654#4584654
4584654, I say to those who claim Hillary is not divisive: Turn on your Tv
Posted by yeswecan08 on Thu Feb-14-08 12:00 AM

Her speech in TX is nothing but vague insinuations and tired old cheap shots. Barack Obama has never said anything negative about Hillary.

[uncertainty1999]

207. ..but Obama *said* you'd line up behind him...

...he *said* he could win over the Hillary supporters (and moreover, that his supporters were less likely to go to Hillary).
You mean to tell me that's not true?
...but he said so...!

(sarcasm)

[emilyg]

217. He'll never win me over.

[BlackVelvet04]

225. He's guilty of counting those little chickens before they hatched, eh? n/t

[verges]

244. Perhaps.

But your the one who began this thread under the assumption that he's going to get the nomination.

[BlackVelvet04]

248. Nope....I said IF Hillary doesn't.....n/t

[lachattefolle]

317. Gotta admit of everything I've heard from both candidates that little

gem pissed me off the most. I don't like being taken for granted, nor do any other Hillary supporters I know.

[LowerManhattanite]

228. Drama queenery. A cry for attention. Spite writ large on a wall of selfishness.

Moving on.

[griffi94]

234. bye

[rodeodance]

233. You are popular--many Obamacampers telling others to check out your OP. te he

[griffi94]

239. man

lack of groupthink fucks em up........they seem to have a problem accepting that not everyone likes obama......should he get nominated how will they deal with the fact that roughly 50% of the population will hate his guts.......man they're gonna be busy if they intend to harass everybody in the country who won't vote for obama

[rodeodance]

245. woman....

I wonder if Obama has funds set aside for de-programming--


busy indeed--just pull out the Fear card--they are using here on DU for the last few weeks already.

[griffi94]

259. as a friend of mine used to say

i can't argue with you when yer right.....they do seem really fearful....and i don't get that part unless they deep down don't think he can pull it off.....i posted earlier and stand by my post that it reminds me of my teenagers and their friends ....do you like xyz....maybe ....do you...yes....but you should like em too.....i don't like xyz...well then i have to get all the 8th grade rallied to harass you into liking xyz...besides xyz is really cool.....you should like em....i told everybody at school yer a slut do ya like em now...no now i hate em....well i dumped yer books in the trash do ya like em yet....good lord...the obama people act like he's more than another bullshit politicain....they all disappoint somebody somewhere along the way

[BlackVelvet04]

262. LOL.....you crack me up. n/t

[rodeodance]

273. ha ha--best to you.

[verges]

254. But,

This is a forum for DEMOCRATS!!! It shouldn't seem unreasonable to expect support for the duly chosen candidate of the Democratic party from Democrats. And if you can't, why then are you a Democrat? Why are you here on a board for Democrats? We're choosing the President of the United States for crying out loud! Not, the President of Student Council. If you're a Democrat, you vote to support your party. And a write-in, third-party or stay home won't do that. The primaries are the time to vote conscience, not the generals.

[BlackVelvet04]

263. Hillary is a Democrat and I'll support her by writing her in if she isn't the

nominee.

Yep, we're choosing a president not the next winner of American Idol, but the Obamapods don't seem to understand that.

[verges]

293. The Democratic PARTY!

She may not be the duly nominated party candidate. Your voting your interests, not the party's. So why are you a member of a party if you just ignore it to vote a pointless whim. The isssues are bigger than your individual need to feel warm and fuzzy. Can't you feel good about helping to keep the Repubs away from the WH?

What if McCain wins? In your state? By a thin margin? Will you still feel good knowing that a few votes could have made a difference?

[griffi94]

266. right

would those be the same democrats in here who are calling for pelosi and reids head on a stick....i'm a democrat.... have been for 20 years....but that doesn't mean i march lockstep with anybody...i disapprove of some of the tactics that have been used by some(not all, but enough) of obamas supporters (i understand that some of hillarys supporters have also acted badly) but that's not my lookout...i don't like obama....i won't vote for obama...would you vote for lieberman....this bullshit is nothing more than mob rule....obama supporters outnumber everybody here...so they think they're 100% in the right...where the hell do you get off tellin anybody who vote for.....sounds like the same shit the bushbots used....and being a democrat for the last 20 years....i don't really want to see the democrats go down the same road the repubs went down just to say we won....that to me is one major difference between the democarst and the repubs

[verges]

297. I would love to see Pelosi lose..

to a Democrat. Not a Republican. Lieberman is an Independent, so your argument is a little off. However, in 2000, I voted for Gore and Lieberman was his VP. I didn't like Lieberman then either. Do you not understand that if Democrats don't vote for the Democratic candidate, the Republicans win? That's what happens when you don't get enough votes. The other guy wins. Do you want the other guy to win? If you don't, the best way to stop that is to vote with your party, no matter who the candidate is.

[BlackVelvet04]

261. LOL........they love to hate me. n/t

[LordJFT]

241. NARAL endorsed both Obama and Clinton

You're making him sound anti-choice. And I hope some day people can get through their heads that most people in the democratic primary who are voting against Hillary aren't voting against her because she's a woman, they're voting against her because she's less progressive than Obama.

[BlackVelvet04]

264. I didn't say a word about him being anti-choice. n/t

[NMMatt]

278. True enough...

But writing in Hillary is like voting "present" on McCain's anti-choice supreme court nominee that will likely tip the balance against Roe.

[LordJFT]

335. then what's this crap for

"No longer will I support the good old boy system that thinks it has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with my body."?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

242. "I will no longer give my vote to those who perpetuate that system."

So youre saying Obama is a sexist?

[griffi94]

252. read it again

she didn't say that....she said she was voting for hillary even if she had to write her in....she didn't mention obama at all.....

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

275. Nice Try...

What She said was:

"I will no longer give my vote to those who perpetuate that system."

And because of that she will write in Hillary

Therefore if its Obama vs. McLame in the general she must think *both* of these individule perpetuate a system of sexism...

[AZBlue]

247. The GOP thanks you in advance for your vote.

What a sexist viewpoint. It's as bad as someone who would "never vote for a woman."

[BlackVelvet04]

267. Like I said I hope they put it in writing so I can sell it on Ebay. n/t

[mckeown1128]

256. Sexism alive and well right here on DU...

And I thought only Republicans brag about how sexist they are.

[BlackVelvet04]

265. LOL I've been called worse by better. n/t

[griffi94]

268. yep

me too....like that old sayin.....hell i've been thrown out of better places than this...lol
i'm glad to see you standin up to the mob.... i know i shouldn't be surprised....but why in the hell would anybody feel like they have a right to tell you who to vote for...i don't mean that let me try to talk you into voting for my candidate....but flat out trying to bully you into voting their way...and when you won't agree with em...the attacks start...

[BlackVelvet04]

269. Good question............

the shame and guilt tactics are always interesting. Who does that work on?

[griffi94]

271. well in 2004

it seemed to work on a lot of people who voted for bush....i wonder if some the more rigorous obama supporters voted for shrub in 04.....you know the most self righteous people tend to be the ones who have reformed.....their tactics would seem to support that theory anyway....i don't know what state yer in...but hell my vote won't matter in nov anyway....i live in texas and after nov texas will still be as red as a baboons ass....me not voting for obama will have zero effect on the outcome....i will vote for all the democrats down ticket....

[BlackVelvet04]

291. In in VA which is potentially a

swing state.

And as for the supporters....I have found that people often become that which they vehemently judge.

[LowerManhattanite]

296. “And as for the supporters...I have found that people often become that which they vehemently judge”

Let the OP's own words speak for herself.

[BlackVelvet04]

298. I'm not going to become a man......

:-)

[Forkboy]

303. I believe that.

[eridani]

282. Even women who like cluster bombs? n/t

[SKKY]

283. That's just plain silly...

...cut off your nose to spite your face. :eyes:

[Perry Logan]

285. DEATH TO THE PATRIARCHY!

Totally kidding about the "death" part.

[sfam]

286. You and Nader are both fairly principled...

Hopefully you don't live in Florida...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

287. SO WILL I !

[Independent-Voter]

289. Vaginas for Hillary!

God damn I hope you aren't breeding, or voting for that matter.

[Thepricebreaker]

290. Perhaps woman like Obama more?

As of 11am today Rassmussen - Obama leads among women 46% to 41%

Perhaps woman just like Obama more?

[hayu_lol]

294. Due to the treatment of Hillary and her supporters here on this board...

over the past few weeks, I would suggest that writing Hillary in would be the perfect answer.

Those who blindly support the highly defined terms of HOPE and CHANGE and so on, support the guy who hopes to walk on water, and support the guy who plans on a 2nd coming whilst attacking the other leading candidate with the vilest and crudest means possible--will have to suffer the backlash their creation has caused.

Writing Hillary in would not make her the next president, but we can avoid the Obama mistake because thats what he is. If that sends McCain to the office, so be it. You Obamaniacs should have been somewhat more gentle in your attacks over the past three weeks. If enough of the Hillary supporters can write her in, we can defeat YOUR mistake.

I held my nose and voted for Gore. I held my nose and voted for Kerry. Not this time.

David Swanson picked up a bit from a woman high up in the Justice and Peacekeeping arena, one Dr Lisa Schirch who has said:

"...Obama attracts independents, Republicans, evangelicals, and conservative voters..." Nothing said about picking up Liberal Democrats....

Obama is from no particular party, has no particular affiliation, and is depending upon his cult-like network of supporters to sweep him into office. Obama is a candidate who avoids the difficult decisions that might soil his nice suits. Present is not a vote. Present is not a stand. Present is like a check for any amount that is left unsigned.

Yeah, I think I'll join the ladies and others who support them and write in Hillary. Now you Obamaniacs have something real to worry about.

[libbygurl]

300. The 'Uniter' will unite with the GOP and divide the Democrats, it seems. Also see...

...my post just below.

Uniter, my foot.


Edited to correct wording.

[goldcanyonaz]

314. I, too and sick of holding my nose in order to vote. This time I will NOT.

[JAbuchan08]

321. but if the shoe were on the other foot surely you'd expect Obama supporters to vote for Hillary?

It seems to me that when some Edwards and Obama supporters began to intimate that they might not vote for Hillary in the general election Hillary supporters took that to heart and decided that they too could play the "take my ball home" game.
The difference being that Obama supporters disagreed with Hillary on the ISSUES and felt that she shouldn't be rewarded for her establishment stances on the IWR, kyle-Leiberman etc. Whereas Hillary supporters seem to be more concerned with vengence against the mean Obama supporters who are doing the "rightful" nominee in.
I have to admit, I was considering voting third party if Hillary were the nominee (I would never vote Republican) but I can find a BETTER candidate than Hillary. Hillary supporters CAN'T find an alternative to their candidate because (despite their protestations and projections) they are not voting on issues they are voting on an individual who they like because of her anatomy.

In many cases they seem to be voting for her IN SPITE of her record on the issues. This is borne out by the fact that they are constantly trying to create equivalence between Obama and Hillary on the issues where she has flaws. It seems that they are tacitly acknowledging her flaws without allowing it to effect their predetermined course of action, which is to vote for Hillary NO MATTER WHAT.

My question is, is there any circumstance under which you would vote for someone who ISN'T Hillary? Even if that happens to be a (gasp!) male candidate?

[Skwmom]

295. Hmmm. Wonder how many women who have fought for women's

rights are going to risk having McCain appoint conservative judges.

My guess - not many.

[libbygurl]

299. Oh, remember how the 'Uniter' bragged about his popularity right after Super Tuesday?

O had said:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Oh, yeah? Well, thanks for saying that you'll vigourously support the Dem nominee in the general election if it isn't you, Barack.

And add to that his 'You're likable enough, Hillary' remark made at the NH debate in January. And his wife's saying that she'd have to think about supporting Clinton if she were the nominee.

Just another sign of arrogance and condescension from this man and his wife. Guess who's already measuring the drapes at the White House?

[tpsbmam]

301. Hypothetical vote...

Hillary Clinton vs. Al Gore.

Sorry, I'm voting for the man. My gender (female) doesn't determine my vote.

[RunningFromCongress]

302. Voting for a woman just because she's a woman, is NOT equality FYI. It's reverse sexism.

[Forkboy]

304. Whatever works for you. It's your vote.

[Occam Bandage]

305. So, you'll be voting for Condi Rice?

[pbca]

306. That's ok

Even if she does get the nomination (which I can't imagine at the moment - she's the Dem Huckabee at this point) I won't vote for her.

[beachmom]

307. Thank you for your vote for John McCain. This is not a race for identity politics.

It is a race for the President of the United States of America.

[ProgressIn2008]

308. BlackVelvet, something you said has stuck with me

"it's time for the young women to start fighting to save
that which WE fought for them to have in the first place."

The hard-fought battles of the 60s and 70s are being thrown under the bus (lord, even the 90s), when women struggled for the freedoms we enjoy today. That young women can have access to birth control, abortion, women's care - that an unmarried woman can walk into a gyn office and ask for the pill - that women have the choice to work or not, marry or not, have children or not - all hard-fought battles. You're right, it is time for the young women who have inherited so much to pick up the battle. If it's so easy, and we're so out of touch and unncessary, then it won't be a difficult transition, I suppose.

And, as you point out, if their candidate is such a phenomenon, then there's no problem. They'll get their landslide with the help of Republicans and independents, I imagine. They don't need to push you into voting against your conscience, because they've got the rock star, or so I gather.

In any case, you brought up a thought-provoking point, and I had a long conversation with a friend about it last night. We will see how these issues are fought for.

[Az_lefty]

309. I feel somewhat the same way, except about Obama...

I will not vote for another Clinton in the White House, woman or not.

[dionysus]

311. sweet, you'll help the republicans!!! *w00t w00t*!!

:eyes:

[Bright Eyes]

315. Why do you hate America?

:)

Seriously though, why would you want Hillary to become the next Nader? I'll vote Democratic, whoever that may be (although I may need to be drunk)....

If she loses the nom, let her continue her work in the senate or try again in 4 years,

[Snarkturian Clone]

316. Thanks for you unending support!!!

signed,

The Freeptards

[krkaufman]

318. Yes, women are so much more oppressed and victims of prejudice than blacks.

I'd view your declaration with less irony if the alternate candidate were of the oppressing majority. And if we hadn't heard similar puritanical declarations 8 years ago from the Naderites.

Be well.

[goldcanyonaz]

327. Actually women are, especially black women.

[krkaufman]

337. Not a chance on the former. Duh on the latter relative to the former. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

322. kick.

[geek tragedy]

323. The blind stupidity of identity politics. n/t

[Bucky]

324. If Obama is the nominee, Clinton will endorse him. So you'll vote for her against her own wishes?

:banghead:

:banghead:

[mculator]

325. I'm a man FOR HILLARY`

And I agree with you!!!

If she doesn't win, let's draft her into a 3rd party!! :) I said no more nader mistakes, but Obama said he passed a nuclear bill he didn't!! They cancel eachother out!

of course, i'm joking.

vote for the nominee
(hillary, of course!)

[Alexander]

326. Translation: "I won't vote for a man. I'll take my ball and go home."

Thanks. President McCain will appreciate your efforts.

:puke:

[shayes51]

328. Good idea! I had not thought of it.

[StrongBad]

329. C'mon, be honest

You posted this for the attention, didn't you?

[hayu_lol]

330. To go over it again...any of you can vote for whomever you wish...

the treatment of Hillary by the Obama team over the past few weeks means that votes will be withheld from Obama. Hillary, if not the nominee will be written in.

Those of you who have attacked Hillary in thread after thread might just sit and contemplate what you have actually done.

Not gonna hold my nose again for losers.

[StrongBad]

333. So let me get this straight...

You intend to use your civil right to elect the next leader of the United States of America as a means to spite a bunch of people you correspond with on an internet message board?

Um. Ok...

[sendero]

331. That's fine..

... but voting FOR someone because they are female is no less sexist than voting against someone for the same reason.

HRC is losing because of her policies, she really shouldn't have abandoned her base.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

336. amen sister......I will also

[hayu_lol]

339. Amazing how so many posters here think that a write in for Hillary...

is sexist. It is not. Hillary is a candidate. Obama is a candidate. Bottom line is that Hillary, of the two, is the better candidate.

Shame that so many can not allow a woman to become president.

Pity that so many felt that deranged attacks against Hillary and her supporters was the only way to go. Your Mamas didn't raise some of you right.

[adabfree]

340. ok..lol

[boricua79]

342. Voting for a man is not perpetuating a system

that's assuming all man will perpetuate sexism and misogyny, and all women will great leaders.

That's the same type of bubble-gum feminism that turns off a lot of progressive men.

You are, a priori, discounting all men as candidates...solely on the basis of their being men. That's just as bad.