question: If Clinton were winning in a landslide, would we be seeing all this racebaiting?

[Lerkfish]

It occurs to me this is happening due to desperation, and it certainly smells desperate.
But honestly, if Obama were running oh, say, 30 points behind Clinton, do you really think we'd be getting all this racially divisive offhanded implied stuff?

If NOT, then what it says is that when the going gets tough, the Clinton campaign gets racist.

Is that what anyone considers a good thing?

man, this is the worst primary season I've seen, bar none.

[TexasObserver]

1. No. In desperation they have shown their true colors.

Bill has lost his title as the first black president.

Now, he'll be mentioned with Tom Jefferson, but only because of his habit of screwing them.

[Maddy McCall]

5. You know, for someone who accuses others of "race baiting"...

your post is perhaps the worst I've seen on DU, in regards to race.

When you're talking about "screwing them," are you referring to black women?

Disgusting.

[jasmine621]

27. Race baiting by whom? I think it might be worse.

You know, talking about people voting only because Hillary is white, etc.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Link?

[Maddy McCall]

6. Even mentioning democraphics....

will earn Hillary supporters the title "race baiter."

Nevermind when they do the same thing.

[LostinVA]

30. Yup

[cboy4]

3. Oh I'm completely against racebaiting....just as I'm

against bigotry on the other side.

It's sad it evens out.

[Rageneau]

4. WHAT racebaiting? Who in the Clinton campaign said anything racially biased?

Sheesh! Hillary can't say she doesn't like her coffee black without someone trying to accuse her of racism.

Fine thanks the Clintons are getting for being the first couple in the White House to actually care about black people.

[MagsDem]

7. Isn't that something?

That's the truth. I would have figured the Clinton's to be the last people that would be accused of that. But I heard that an Obama campaign memo leaked that said it was part of their plan to make the Clinton's look racist. Black, white, purple or green, Obama is a dishonest person as far as I'm concerned. I can't wait until she puts this away and can focus on kicking McCain's butt.

[Bongo Prophet]

8. Magsdem, you had threads just yesterday, insisting a black man can never get elected.

You also blasted everybody who had a different opinion on which states Obama could win - not just disagreeing with them, but haranguing them.

I will certainly vote for either candidate, but am curious if you have a problem voting for Obama yourself.
If not, for whom will you be voting?

[NorthernSpy]

11. "first couple in the White House to actually care about black people"

That's what sending all the good jobs overseas was -- an expressing of "caring" for black folks? If it's showing up at your church or playing your music on the sax, Bill's your man. If it's anything that would actually matter, forget it.


Thing is, Clintonite "caring" rarely goes beyond gesture. Working class Americans of all colors found that out the hard way.


So no thanks on that third helping.

[Perry Logan]

12. Right on. The Obama people are the only ones talking incessantly about race.

[Lerkfish]

17. just one example

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4583736&mesg_id=4583736

[SKKY]

9. Of course not...

...The Clintons are savvy enough that they'll only do what needs to be done.

[H2O Man]

10. Great point.

If Senator Clinton was getting support from large numbers of independent and cross-over republicans, I assume that the minority of Clintonites on DU who behave like the pack on Lord of the Flies would feign being civil, and would say it was evidence that she was the right person at the right time.

[Lerkfish]

13. thanks for understanding my point.

you got lots of hearts, because you're a wise poster.

:)

[Karmadillo]

14. Some Obama supporters would continue to racebait, but I think overall we'd see less of it.

nt

[GalleryGod]

15. Nope.

Coronations are a funny thing..the Brits have them down pat; Us, not so much.

[jasmine621]

16. It is not race baiting by the Clintons. It's race baiting by the media.

"The power to label is the power to manipulate." I have heard more statements from Obama that is said by either Clinton would be labeled "race baiting." It is precisely that label that has turned many blacks who are swayed by the media and the pundits and a few black leaders who do not like the Clintons against the Clintons. The Clintons have been swiftboated on this issue by the media pundits but the Clintons, unlike John Kerry, will fight back until the end. They may not win, but they will fight back.

[BenDavid]

18. I don't even recognize this party anymore. It's like we stepped

into the Bizarro World, where the Fascist bastards are still the Fascist bastards, but the race-baiting KKKlintons are more evil than the Bush bastards ever were and they must be stopped at all costs, even if that means 100 more years for the Republicans to occupy Iraq.

Truly remarkable how the Clintons within the democratic party are looked at as bigots and racists...I truly do not reconize this party....This is a race war within this party and it is Obama that started this shit and all he can do is strut his sorry ass around and smile wide and looked puzzled when asked about this, and say "who me?"

Think for a second - there have been NO substantial attacks against Obama while the Obamaniax and America's whore press tore the Clintons apart.

As things are today, if Hillary says, "Good morning," the press turns that into an unfair attack against all blacks and working women, so why say anything?

when Hillary said "I have more experience," the charge came back, "Why does Hillary say blacks are too stupid to be president?"

Every word from them is turned into a terrible, personal racial attack against Obama. You can turn on any political talk show - even today - and within 15 minutes someone will mention Bill's "shameful" remarks about race in Carolina.

The thing is, nobody will quote him because when you repeat what he said,it doesn't sound racial so they simply refer to it as racial and the press turns on their echo machine and suddenly the Clintons are the Supreme Dragons.

The press and the blindest of the Obamaniax will have you believe that Bill Clinton, the slickest black president ever, can't even open his fool black mouth without uttering some horrible racial slur that everyone agrees is terribly offensive. Donna Brazile just might up and quit the party next time Clinton opens his racist mouth again.I say, leave!

But the minute IF Obama gets the nod, everyone is going to be SHOCKED when the whore media turns on Obama to elect McCain and saying "I told you so" won't help.

So, if Obama loses, it'll be because those"white devils" stole it from him?Is playing by the rules somehow proof that you're cheating?

Here's how I see it: If Obama wins, the Clintons WILL help him take the White House. If the Clintons win, Obama will scream "racial politics" and refuse to help the Clintons. Of course, that means Obama is endorsing McCain, but you're OK with that, right?

[mtnsnake]

19. This is really really lame, Lerkfish, this latest racebaiting charge of yours

Good gawd, you don't even have a link or explain what the latest faux charge is.

You know what, there isn't a single sentence that a Clinton can't say without someone charging them with racebaiting.

"The sky is blue". That's race bait!!

[goldcanyonaz]

26. The sky is NOT blue, and you're a racist for even suggesting that!

[mtnsnake]

28. LOL...and you're a racist for saying the sky is NOT blue, just because it's you who said it. :-)

:hi:

[elixir]

20. Racist?!! are you kidding, there's nothing racist. It's just Obama spinning anything into crap.

[DemGa]

21. Whoops, initial premise is flawed/broken

Conjecture stated as accepted fact.

[QC]

22. Obama and his flock would be racebaiting even more if they were behind. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

24. And, the coveted "Bradley Effect" that has been brought up when Obama loses.

[itcfish]

23. Just Because You Don't

support Obama does not mean you are a racist. I don't see any racism from the Clinton campaign. What I see is the spin from the Obama side. Using racism to his advantage.

[apnu]

32. And I see the same thing from the Clinton campaign...

...using sexism to her advantage. Just look at how many Grrrl Power, Rosie the Riveter, and vagina related threads have been started by Clinton supporters. Its all over the place.

Officially, neither candidate has gone racist or sexist, from where I sit. That is, counting what they, personally, said. Their supporters and staff have said many things that are off colour and insensitive to race and gender. That's how politics work though... get your peeps to do the dirty work while the candidate can rise above and look saintly.

I find it patently naive from both groups of supporters cry foul on the 'ism' issue.

So many damn cards have been played around here, GD-P looks like a blackjack game now a days.

[Alter Ego]

25. No. She also wouldn't be begging him for more free publicity--

er, that is, more debates.

[goldcanyonaz]

29. Obama needs all the debate practice he can get. To think otherwise is foolish.

[apnu]

31. How it got here doesn't mater. Its good practice for the real fight ahead

If you think for a second that the GOP won't do this kind of stuff (racism or sexism) I've got a fine bridge to show you.

I'm pretty sure you don't, but I hope you see my point...

If you think the 'ism'-bating is bad now... just wait. I'll bet we'll see a ton of so-called 'independent' groups (with money that can be traced back to big GOP supporters) running overt 'ism' based negative ads against either Obama or Clinton.