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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:00 AM
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New Mexico Goes to ... (Screen Capture Needed)
Who?

The New Mexico Democratic Party posted the results of Super Tuesday (regular ballots AND provisional ballots) yesterday on their web site.

http://www.nmdemocrats.org/

Then they deleted them.

See: http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_8256142

Anyway, is there any chance that anyone did a screen capture of the results before they pulled them down?

It's probably pretty slim, but it could happen.

I'm not talking about someone farking a capture of the site either.

A legit screen capture would be great to see. The count might change a little, but whatever they posted yesterday is probably pretty close to being the final official count and probably revealed who the winner of the state was.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:12 AM
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1. If at first you don't succeed...
try and try again. I hope somebody got the screen shot!

The Web site's link had been visible for about five hours Tuesday evening with what the party had said were the canvassed results before it was removed later that night. The total votes statewide did not match the party's county-by-county totals.

Democratic officials said the Web site would be updated Wednesday with vote totals that reflect the correct number of canvassed regular and absentee ballots.

Colon said the caucus results would not be final until certified by the canvass board.

The party has until Feb. 15 to finish the count,
and Colon was confident with the pace of the process.

"I'm very optimistic that we will actually beat the deadline of February 15th," he said.

About a dozen party and campaign officials were engrossed in counting the provisional ballots at an Albuquerque accounting firm Wednesday. More than 9,000 provisional ballots cast were unable to be qualified, Colon said.
:kick:
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 AM
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2. trying again


Keep kicking this if you would like someone to post the screen capture.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:02 PM
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4. No problem...
Every day I think about the results of the New Mexico election, but never follow up. I'm sure there's got to be somebody else who is more vigilant than I am. :kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 AM
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3. Well I guess this rules out Bill Richardson for Secretary of the Treasury
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:47 PM
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5. or secures it..
'heck of a job Brownie'

Gov. Bill Richardson has said he was disappointed that party officials weren't better prepared but felt Colon did a "good job" rectifying the situation.

After the counting is completed, Richardson plans to convene a meeting of Democrats, county officials and party leaders to discuss ways to improve the process for future elections.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:36 PM
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9. I've lost a lot of respect for Richardson because of this
What an embarrassment. This does not bode well for November, either, especially if the race is close.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:02 PM
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6. Just as a re-cap...
Still no winner in New Mexico as party officials deal with Democratic caucus problems
Associated Press - February 6, 2008 11:43 PM ET

Officials admit they were overwhelmed by a greater-than-expected turnout for the Super Tuesday caucus.
Governor Bill Richardson says he's "deeply disturbed" by election problems and long lines at caucus sites.

With 183 of 184 of precincts reporting late Wednesday, preliminary results showed Hillary Rodham Clinton held a lead of 1,092 votes over Barack Obama.
Party officials say the examination of the provisional ballots will be closed to the press, but will be attended by representatives from both the Obama and Clinton campaigns.
New Mexico is the last of 22 states that held Democratic primaries and caucuses Tuesday to report a winner.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7835303



Low turnout expected at New Mexico caucus

Heather Clark/Associated Press
Tuesday, January 29, 2008

http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2008/jan/29/low-turnout-exp... /

Brian Colón, chairman of the state Democratic Party, said that without the injection of money from the candidates' get-out-the-vote efforts, it will be tough to get people to the polls next Tuesday.


"The only thing that I kind of lose some sleep over is I wish I had half a million dollars to promote the thing," Col¢n said during a recent break from answering phones at the party's Albuquerque headquarters.

"I think we will have had great success in New Mexico if we turn out 30,000 to 40,000 people," he said. That compares with about 105,000 votes cast in 2004.
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Several county party officials in more populated areas of the state sounded frazzled as they tried to locate enough volunteers, grappled with finalizing polling places and readied advertisements for local media in the two weeks before the caucus. But officials in the smaller towns generally said their preparations were going smoothly.

http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2008/jan/29/low-turnout-expected-new-mexico-caucus/


Bad Voter Lists May Have Botched New Mexico's Democratic Caucus

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted February 8, 2008.

Nearly 13 percent of New Mexico Democrats found they were not on precinct voter rolls when they showed up to choose a presidential nominee.


Democratic party officials in New Mexico may have used an incomplete list of registered voters on Super Tuesday -- prepared for the secretary of state by a private vendor -- causing nearly 13 percent of Democrats to find they were not on precinct voter rolls when they showed up to choose a presidential nominee.
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"The Democratic Party ran that election," said James Flores, spokesman for Secretary of State Mary Herrera, a Democrat. "There is a (voter) list, and it is compiled by ES&S (Election Systems and Software). The Democratic Party requested this list from the secretary of state's office... There could be hundreds of reasons why there are provisional ballots."

Flores is correct. Voters could have gone to the wrong precinct. People could have thought they were registered to vote when they were not. Or -- as some New Mexico election integrity activists think -- the state could have used an inaccurate list prepared by a private vendor.
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No New Mexico Democratic Party official returned any calls or answered emails on Thursday. The telephone at state party headquarters said that office was closed until Monday, Feb. 11. Flores did not respond to a subsequent email to reply to Leahan's charge that the state's Democratic Party could have received an incomplete voter list.

ES&S officials could not be reached for comment Thursday.

The problems faced by New Mexico voters on Super Tuesday are potentially bigger than awarding 26 delegates and 12 superdelegates to the Democratic National Convention. Many states now rely on electronic voting systems -- from voter registration databases, to electronic poll books at precincts, to voting and vote-counting machines.

The breakdown in any of these systems, such as possibly flawed voter lists in New Mexico or malfunctioning electronic poll books in Georgia -- which was documented by that state's largest newspaper on Tuesday -- could end up disenfranchising large numbers of voters.
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There was additional confusion following Tuesday's vote. In Rio Arriba County, three precinct managers took the ballot boxes home and did not report all the results. That led to speculation by political commentators in the state that those officials were trying to influence the vote count to benefit Hillary Clinton, since one was married to a known Clinton supporter. Colon told reporters on Thursday that the ballot boxes were taken home because of bad winter weather, and the party did not want to post incomplete results for those precincts. The results were phoned in, he said, and party officials examined those ballot boxes and verified the count was accurate.

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http://www.alternet.org/story/76399
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:05 PM
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7. They've got a problem with ballots that may have been forged after the election.
Blame her well placed Hillary supporters.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:31 PM
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8. More "Phantom Votes"?
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1055
Impossible Phantom Votes in New Mexico
by Warren Stewart
December 30, 2004


"That can't be what they really call them!" I exclaimed in amusement. But Lowell Finley, legal counsel for the Green/Libertarian recount effort in New Mexico, assured me that 'phantom vote' was indeed the common legal term for the puzzling phenomenon I had uncovered in looking at the state's canvass report. A phantom vote occurs when the number of votes recorded exceeds the number of ballots cast. Mathematically, phantom votes are merely the inverse of undervotes. Undervotes, which show up when there are less votes than ballots cast, can be accounted for more or less persuasively in one way or another but I have yet to come up with any acceptable explanation for phantoms. Much less, 2,087 of them statewide in New Mexico, just about one third of the margin of victory that determined the selection of that state's presidential electors.




"Phantom Votes Are Not Possible"
says New Mexico's Secretary of State
Yet there are 2,087 phantom votes in her certified canvass report.

Phantom votes are found when the number of votes reported is higher than the number of ballots cast.


The canvass reports on the New Mexico Secretary of State's website show precinct totals and ballots cast, separated into voting types (absentee, early voting, and election day). Analysis shows that there are 2,087 phantom votes reported across the state and present in the certified results.*

Confronted with the evidence of phantom votes in her own canvass reports, Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron explained that they are impossible and denied their existence.*

http://www.votersunite.org/info/newmexicophantomvotes.asp
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