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Thu Feb-14-08 11:12 AM
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Regardless of how the rumors of his being a Muslim got started, |
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it would be prudent of Obama to start educating (or re-educating) folks about his religion.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:13 AM
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 AM
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2. Regardless of how you help spread rumors..... |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 AM
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there's no way, posting here on DU about this is "spreading rumors".. we all heard of this before this post.
When I've talked to many "working class people", they need to hear this disclaimer from him, over and over again. They heard the rumor from the corporate media. They haven't heard it debunked nearly as often from the media. It would be prudent of him to get this all over the airwaves. He just said himself, the working class are too busy to dive into politics.. did he not? There's a new thread up here on this in the past five minutes.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 AM
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He talks about that on the stump |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 AM
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3. He needs to educate people about Christianity?? OK. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:14 AM
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4. Are you very concerned? |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:18 AM
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8. I had a friend who's never voted Republican tell me last night |
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he'll vote for McCain before a Muslim. Granted, he's no rocket scientist, and I tried to explain he was Christian, but he's gotten the same e-mails that we've all gotten, and deleted. He just accepted it as truth. I'm just saying it wouldn't be a bad idea to broach the subject regularly, not make a big deal, just blend it into his national presence.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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11. That would be strike number two. |
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By the way, I've heard a rumor that Obama is B L A C K. You might want to look into that.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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12. Oh your friend's a life long dem, is he? |
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:32 PM
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48. One time ... in band camp ... |
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I had a friend who told me he had been a lifelong Democrat but he didn't think he could vote for Obama because he once knew someone who knew someone who thought Louis Farrakan had a few ideas that might not be outrageous.
just sayin ....
Really!! A friend!
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM
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16. Obama broaches the subject regularly. Way too much for some of our tastes. |
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Anyone who still thinks that Obama is a Muslim is an idiot. Anyone who thinks that there's something wrong with Muslims is a bigoted idiot. Why is this person still your friend? I drop bigots.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 AM
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20. According to Ed Schultz |
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over half the country thinks Obama is a Muslim. Might not have a big effect in Democratic primaries, but it might in the GE
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 AM
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29. We already know that half the country are idiots. |
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Then again, what does Ed Schultz know? Another idiot talking head who perpetuates the problem.
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:58 PM
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57. Over half of the country thinks he's half black. |
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The other half of the country thinks he's half white. :shrug:
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:41 AM
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31. Funny....my white, Christian, Republican father in Alabama feels differently |
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Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 AM by southlandshari
He's considering voting for Obama in November.
I think some are seriously overestimating the impact of such silly rumors on voters in the real world right now.
And seriously underestimating the power with which Obama's message of true change and a shift away from divisiveness is resonating with voters of all ages, races, genders and even political persuasions.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:51 AM
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I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:28 PM
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:34 PM
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49. That is a really rude response especially considering the |
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fact that I first started posting on this site on the day it began - I just posted under a different name. (In fact, some of you might remember me, I used the name kali)
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:47 PM
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:53 PM
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56. Did kali get TS'd and that's why you're back under a different name? |
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:51 PM
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55. Then you belong on a different board - |
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this one is for Democrats.
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:27 PM
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46. Your Friend Is An Ignorant Ass |
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Why don't you go chew your toenails? TRANSPARENT. Jesus you fucks need a new playbook.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:15 AM
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5. He has been educating people about his religion. |
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Over and over and over again. Some people just don't want to listen because it's more convenient for them politically to say that he's a Muslim.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:52 AM
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40. No! Lie for political expediency??! |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:15 AM
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Yes, he clearly *never* mentions his Christianity. Ever. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:38 AM
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28. Calling his campaign a "hymn that'll heal the nation" was a bit over the top... |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:15 AM
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6. Not that there's anything wrong with that n/t |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:16 AM
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7. What first turned me off to BO was his embrace of the Hate Wing of his church. |
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McClurkin and Curing the Gays seem all too popular with his supporters for my taste.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:22 AM
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14. Ah, but the opposition thinks he's not Christian enough. |
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Such is the stupidity of politics in this country. Religious beliefs should be kept private.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 AM
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21. No they don't. Look at how well he does when Republicans are allowed to vote in our Primaries. |
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His speeches are pure Sunday Morning.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:51 AM
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37. I was referring to the OP's report. |
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In fact, the polls indicate that lots of Christians and Republicans like Obama. They don't seem to have the problem that the OP references.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:20 AM
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9. Regardless of how you pose and posture |
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your motives are quite transparent.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 AM
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32. my posing and posturing, as you put it, was to express a concern in a forum |
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that I'd thought could throw out some sensible discourse. i really don't care which candidate wins the primary, and i realize I'm certainly in the minority. I care a great deal about OUR candidate winning the general, however, and I don't want to lose a vote because of a misconception that could possibly be straightened out. I don't get to listen to ed shultz, but I think what I'm trying to say is what he's saying.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:43 AM
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34. We got the part about "concern." We can tell that you are concerned. |
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You're a very concerned poster. Concern is written all over your OP.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:51 AM
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39. you're exactly right. I didn't title this correctly. |
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Let's try " I know it, you know it, let's figure out a way everybody knows it" Guess the religion!
much better
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:53 AM
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41. That would have been better. What do you suggest? |
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I suggest that we stop mentioning that "some people" still think that Obama is a Muslim. Instead, we can mention that he's a Christian as often as possible. If everyone does that, it ought to do the trick.
We could also loudly insist that the media stop telling lies about Democratic candidates. The last time Hillary did that, a lot of Obama supporters criticized her. I still can't figure that one out...
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:09 PM
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43. thanks for your support |
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here's how I see it, and I'm probably among the oldest on this forum. Hillary's been called everything for 20 years or so, so the "comical" thread started elsewhere isn't relevant to what I'm talking about. Obama is a relative newcomer, someone who's still introducing himself, so to speak. the post about his middle name being used against him, joking as they were, will absolutly come to pass, if he's the nominee which is pretty much a done deal IMO. The Republicans smeared their own in south carolina in 2000 to put Bush to the top, do we actually think they'll do any less to our candidate this year?
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:20 AM
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10. More education about Christianity?! |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 AM
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18. The country could use some education about real Christianity. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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13. Thank you for your concern. Obama has stated his religion numerous times. |
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Obama attends a Protestant Christian church. He is a Christian. He has said so every time he was asked. Anyone who wants to can visit his church's website or visit the church itself and talk with the other parishioners.
Regardless of how false and malicious rumors get started, it behooves every Democrat to correct the record and refrain from perpetuating the lies and then somehow shifting the blame to the victim.
Obama has done everything he can to communicate his religion, clearly and consistently.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 AM
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26. I think the poster is just trying to say |
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he's seeing that people aren't getting the message as much as they heard the bs that Obama is a muslim.
Obama just stated himself that working class people don't have the time to dig into politics (paraphrasing).. and that holds a lot of truth to it. Your suggestion is that they start looking up church websites? That's doesn't jive with what Obama just said. People aren't looking into politics.
The rumor started over the airwaves, repeatedly in the beginning, and I don't believe for a minute that they straightened out this rumor over the airwaves with equal time. Apparently, since I've seen many posts claim ppl still believe this, both the OP and Obama are right and they have something to do with the damn media spreading lies as usual and not straightening them out appropriately.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:22 AM
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15. Everybody knows about Christianity. What do you mean "educate?" You are not being honest. nt |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 AM
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22. let me explain, and please don't question my honesty. |
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I'm a Democrat, I early voted in Tennessee for Hillary, but that was a coin toss. I just want a Democrat back in office. I appreciate everyone's passion for their candidate, and after the convention I'll be just as passionate for the winner. But right now I don't think we need Democrats making up their minds before the primary seasons over because of a misconception , regardless of how the information was misconstrued. I'm just saying there have to be some good speechwriters in his campaign who can make some subtle references in a broader sense that would appeal to conservative Southern Democrats, because we need every vote we can get. I'm still not sure how my concern is dishonest.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 AM
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25. Regurgitating rightwing talking points is not a good start. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 AM
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33. You must not be listening to Obama's speeches. There's way more than "subtle references." |
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Obama has been proclaiming his Christianity loud and clear.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 AM
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Check the new (same style) Hillary/lesbian post |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 AM
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23. That's not helpful. Also, it's a copycat thread, which aren't allowed. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 AM
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17. he talks abotu it just enough |
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He makes it clear that he believes in god but that its not governments place to dictate religious ideals.
Im a long term democrat but im also very spiritual. Im not Christian but i do believe in god.
Part of the reason i don't support war is based in my beliefs.
There is nothing wrong with faith as long as its personal
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:32 AM
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24. Haven't heard this rumor for a few days. Time for the Clinton |
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machine to get their emails going again.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:35 AM
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:41 AM
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30. Barack Hussein Obama has NO chance.. |
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against the RW "Smear/Fear" machine...they have ALL the material they need! When they begin their visual ads and attacks on Barack's Ties to Rev Wright (BHO'S Reverend) ..who Praises and Awarded Farrakhan...(THEY BOTH WENT TO SYRIA TOGETHER! TO MEET GADAFFI! WHY??) His father's Muslim faith..and brother's...The RW will ALL turn on him...I can hear Rush and SEE Hannity..O'REALLY..and the rest. He has no chance against that...He is too unknown...No matter how he tries to convince the people..and I don't mean us. They eat their own...what do you think they really have in store for Obama?
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:44 AM
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You have so many concerns about Democrats, it's a wonder you can sleep at night.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:50 AM
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36. I supose if Obama doesn't address his middle name the RW will bring the issue up eom. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:54 AM
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42. I am certain that the right-wing will continue to bring up Obama's entire name. |
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And nothing he does or says will stop them.
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:26 PM
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45. What do you suggest? Should he change it? |
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perhaps he should change his entire name. He could rename himself to Barry O'Brien perhaps. That ought to shut those nasty rightwingers down.
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Thu Feb-14-08 12:24 PM
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44. The RW will ALL turn on him |
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ZOMG! Yes quick lets choose another candidate that the RW will not all turn on. Hmmmm.... how about:
Joe Lieberman
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:36 PM
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51. REPUBLICAN PLANT! Again, thank you for making it so easy for me to identify you and put you on |
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:38 PM
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52. This is bullshit and you know it. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:46 PM
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53. Very often before clicking on a thread I already know the poster's approximate # of posts. |
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Thu Feb-14-08 01:49 PM
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54. Yes, because he's never ever mentioned he's a Christian before |
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:eyes:
Thanks for your concern.
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