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Thu Feb-14-08 11:15 AM
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The polls in Ohio and Texas mean little right now. |
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The primary is on March 4th. Obama hasn't even started campaigning full time in these two places. Remember that Wisconsin and Hawaii are coming next week- he is working to win in both. Also consider WI was considered to be a lock for Hillary not too long ago, now it looks like Barack will win there as well...
So relax- those Ohio and TX do not reflect yet what's going to happen on March 4th.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:16 AM
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:hi:
And I live in Texas. Early voting starts next Tuesday. :)
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:19 AM
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Hillary is WAITING for Barack down there, ready to kick his ass with her fake Texas (GWB) accent and all...he should just end his presidential bid right now to save himself further embarrassment-I mean just LOOK at the Rassmussen poll-it's all over Obama...Texas will be your Alamo
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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3. Obama is the underdog. |
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Fine with me. Need to focus on Wisconsin and Hawaii now. There's time to continue to gain ground in Texas and Ohio.
Obama was planning to travel to Hawaii. I wonder if that is still going to happen. I hope so, since it is his real home state.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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4. Let Hillary Have Ohio and Texas |
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Most political scientists say Barack Obama will win:
Indiana Hawaii Wisconsin Oregon North Carolina
Even if Hillary wins both Ohio and Texas and there's reason to think Obama may now also prevail in Ohio, she still can't catch him.
The party is nearly over for Hillary. Soon, it's back to the Senate for her.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 AM
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11. Indiana is the home of Klan. You really think BO will find traction there? |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:38 AM
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Actually, if you had a brain you would know northern Idaho, Mississippi and Alabama have the largest numbers of Klan. Per the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 AM
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Obama needs to win any TWO of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas in order to convince the superdelegates that he is indeed, the people's clear favorite to be the party nominee. If she wins all three, it muddies the water, creates a virtual tie, and leaves her the favorite due to inside Clinton party connections.
Considering there are almost 800 supers in total, I believe she feels she can get up to 450-475 to vote for her. That leaves Obama at a minus 100 or perhaps even -150, worst case scenario. So, Obama needs to be up in PLEDGED delegates by MORE than 150, even 200, the way i see it, to be the likely nominee.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM
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5. BTW, the Quinnipiac poll Clinton fans are posting reads as follows: |
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Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM by cryingshame
Quinnipiac frames the challenge for Obama ahead this way:
"With Sen. Obama closing the gap, the winner in Pennsylvania probably will depend on whether blacks, young people and college graduates in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh can turn out in sufficient strength to overcome Sen. Clinton's strong lead among blue collar voters and women."
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM
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6. Well they mean about as much as the Supertuesday polls 3 weeks out |
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Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM by mohc
Which showed Obama losing CT by 14 and losing AL by 15 and losing http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/01/29/prespoll/">MN by 7 The truth is, we will just have to wait and see, polling in the final week will be much more reliable.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:24 AM
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7. Ah but, we play by the rules... |
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so that means that my FL vote is not counted. It also means that the superdelegates can vote for whomever they wish.
Game on.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:24 AM
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what they mean is that Hillary has once again been set up as the long odds front runner and those three primaries are hers.
Now as the campaigning begins and better polling takes place the numbers will tighten and the appearence will be that Hillary's
comeback has stalled and Obama's momentum has come back. It would have been better for Hillary to start tied and moved up.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 AM
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9. It's still 3 weeks away |
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And he has won states where has trailed by double digits before. For example: Missouri http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/missouri/missouri_democratic_presidential_primary1/24/08: Hillary 43, Obama 24 2 weeks later: Obama 49, Hillary 48 Another example: Connecticut http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hcu-ctpoll-0119,0,7087100.story?coll=hc_tab01_layout1/17/08: Clinton 41, Obama 27 3 weeks later: Obama 51, Hillary 48
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:39 AM
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18. 3 Weeks is a Looooong Time for People to Forget Hillary |
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:27 AM
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10. no Poll ever means what it says it means |
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as polls, by nature, are changeable things and can never be relied upon to give any kind of realistic glimpse into the future. It is, simply, a snapshot in time and as fluid as Mercury.
Having said that, I trust Hillary will win both Ohio and Texas and may actually eke out a win in Wisconsin. His unwillingness to debate Hillary in Wisconsin has lifted more than a few eyebrows with my friends -- college-aged -- in Madison who now ask themselves if they want to vote for the Unknown with their heart or go with their head and choose the One who has Experience. Their smart kids and not easily swayed by rhetoric, so I trust they'll make an informed decision.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:30 AM
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12. as Yogi said: "It ain't over till it's over." (yes, Lenny Kravitz, too)... |
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but damn, it's fun having this race, ain't it?
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:36 AM
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He has two weeks after his likely win In Wisconsion,and Hawaii next week to campaign.This Is not super tuesday where He has less than a week after South Carolina and the Kennedy endosement.If we went by polls Obama would not be were he Is now.
Remember while Obama Is now the national Frontrunner he Is the underdog In Texas,Ohio,and Pennsylvnia.Plus the Clintons are forgetting about Rhode Island and Vermont as well as Wisconsion,and Hawaii.I hope Obama spends time In Texas because I think this Is the weak link In the big 3 Hillary Is counting on.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:30 AM
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13. The Ohio poll is meaningless considering it doesn't account for Independents. |
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I read the methodology. They weren't sampled. Inexcusably sloppy poll.
The PA poll, however, means something because our primary is closed.
It's just motivation for me to work harder!
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:33 AM
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15. Well, Ohio has a semi-open primary |
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Independents have to declare as democrats to vote in the primary.
I assume they included that in their poll results.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:47 AM
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I read the methodology. They specifically polled Democrats likely to vote. No mention of independents anywhere.
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Thu Feb-14-08 11:50 AM
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20. They mean we Obama backers have to get to work. |
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