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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:08 PM Original message |
Hillary Clinton "has the only health care plan that covers every American." |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Mandate - Forced coverage will never pass. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. The mentality has changed. Citizens are ready for health care for ALL. Your meme |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. If so then why not real Universal Health Care? |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. we need a government funded healthcare system |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. BULLSHIT.... |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Tax credits come too late (after the fact), and are subjected to those earning. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. And I don't want to pay for your health care because you think |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. But the government does this already! You can't tell your employer "Don't take the Medicare payroll |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. And unfortunately, no matter what she proposes, Republicans will call it "Hillarycare" |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. My father hates mandates--but he told me he thought a healthcare mandates the only way. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Who ho==Great line. She Cares about ALL americans: Obama seems not to care |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. There is a big BUT there. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. No, not "whether they can afford it or not" - only if they *can* afford it, but *refuse* to buy it. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. Who decides who can afford it and doesn't have it? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I agree with many of your points. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Presidential Plans are irrelevant |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. You're a brave soul.... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Excellent point you make re the FEHBP |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. You're welcome. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. You mean Health INSURANCE plan |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Well, Einstein.... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. So how is Hillary's Insurance Giveaway Plan better than Obama's? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Why is hers better? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Well, I'm glad to know my wages will be garnished for such a good plan |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Grow up.... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Hey! Maybe we should pay for police and fire protection too |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. And you don't pay for fire and police protection now? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Health care paid out of taxes is called: ta-da! Single Payer |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. True. Also true is that if you "can't afford" health insurance how do you somehow |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
65. Duh - What do you think comes out of your taxes(or your mommy's) now? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Use my taxes for Bandaids, not Bombs! |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. I Like That - Band-Aids, Not Bombs |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. And it is very "saleable" to the American public! |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. This is a good point that deserves to be repeated. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. There's nothing wrong with us coming up with a plan that is |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Good luck getting that passed through Congress, Hillary |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Yeah, let's just not try at all and leave 49 million |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Obama's healthcare plan covers a large majority of the population |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Well, that's not everybody now, is it? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thank you. REC |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. and it is structured for transition into a single payer system at no cost to tax payers..SMART LADY |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Very well thought out proposal. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Absolutely! n/t |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. She's includes a mandate, but doesn't tell people how much they will be forced to pay. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Neither does Obama..... |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. But he won't force people to pay for it. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Parents will have to...... |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Oh, right - that big pool of parents who don't want health care for their children. |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Children should have health care. Adults are old enough to decide for themselves. nt |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Then What Happens When You Get Sick? You Expect Everyone Else To Pay for You? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. no Obama just heaps on an extra "fine"on the poor if they don't have it...nice plan he has there eh? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. The republicans have already sent Hillary back to the White House with her tail between her legs. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. LIAR..... |
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Araxen (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'd rather not be forced to pay for something I can't afford as it is. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:28 PM Original message |
So if you get hit by a bus |
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Araxen (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
50. You should be on the one that grows up |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Then Go Ahead And F@#$ing Die If You Get Sick, Don't Put It On the Rest of Us |
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Rock_Garden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
31. Thanks, MP. K&R! |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. Mandating coverage is not the same thing as providing it |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. No plan is going to give it to people without cost.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. gee--Obama is using the word Universal in his stump speeches--best tell him that is a no no! |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
43. Who is sitting around waiting for someone to force them to go buy it? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. If you can afford it, but refuse to buy it, why should we pay your bills? |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. What bills exactly? |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. They can be fined for back premiums that went unpaid. How will you pay to enforce her mandate? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. WEll, if you refuse to pay your taxes because you say you can't afford it, how |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. The IRS will "go after people's wages"?? That's HUGH!1!!1!!!11!!!!! |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. If a mandate is enforced, what will be the additional cost - |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
48. True? Mandates failed in Mass. Is Hillary still plan on "going after people's wages"? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Pro spams the thread trying to "beat" the three threads-a-day rule. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I see you have no response to the facts in the post! n/t |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Donate, then do a search on the first dozen times you spammed that horseshit. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. It's such a delight to see Hillary hate threads cut down. Have a good day |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
69. health insurance is not health care |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
70. Bullshit. Only HR 676/1200 covers every American, that is-- |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Heh. Nice qualifier. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
71. One more time - |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
74. I want CARE, not "coverage" |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Life is not a movie, eridani. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. "Coverage" is bullshit, period. |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
79. All I hear about is "garnishing wages" -- what about the UNEMPLOYED? |
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