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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:39 PM
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Undeclared superdelegates: "Chickens come home to roost" hurting Clinton
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/on_deadline_clinton

Basic thrust is that the activists who are sitting on the sidelines include alot of activist types who were unhappy with Clinton leadership.

By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - For years, Bill and Hillary Clinton treated the Democratic National Committee and party activists as extensions of their White House ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival. She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon.

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"I would make the assumption that the ... superdelegates she has now are the Clintons' loyal base. A superdelegate who is uncommitted today is clearly going to wait and see how this plays out. She's at her zenith now," Duffy said. "Whatever political capital or IOUs that exist, she's already collected."

Few Democrats want to cross the Clintons when they're on top. But how many are willing to stand by them when they're down
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Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders — the so-called superdelegates — won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.

"If (Barack) Obama continues to win .... the whole raison d'etre for her campaign falls apart and we'll see people running from her campaign like rats on a ship," said Democratic strategist Jim Duffy, who is not aligned with either campaign.

The rats started looking for clear waters when Obama won Iowa, narrowly lost New Hampshire and trounced Clinton in South Carolina before holding his own in last week's Super Tuesday contests. He won primaries in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia on Tuesday to extend his consecutive win streak to eight.

Obama has won 23 of 35 contests, earning the majority of delegates awarded on the basis of election results. The remaining 796 delegates are elected officials and party leaders whose votes are not tied to state primaries or caucuses; thus, they are dubbed "superdelegates."

And they are not all super fans of the Clintons.

Some are labor leaders still angry that Bill Clinton championed the North American Free Trade Agreement as part of his centrist agenda.

Some are social activists who lobbied unsuccessfully to get him to veto welfare reform legislation, a talking point for his 1996 re-election campaign.

Some served in Congress when the Clintons dismissed their advice on health care reform in 1993. Some called her a bully at the time.

Some are DNC members who saw the party committee weakened under the Clintons and watched President Bush use the White House to build up the Republican National Committee.

Some are senators who had to defend Clinton for lying to the country about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Some are allies of former Vice President Al Gore who still believe the Lewinsky scandal cost him the presidency in 2000.

Some are House members (or former House members) who still blame Clinton for Republicans seizing control of the House in 1994.

Some are donors who paid for the Clintons' campaigns and his presidential library.

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Some are folks who owe the Clintons a favor but still feel betrayed or taken for granted. Could that be why Bill Richardson, a former U.N. secretary and energy secretary in the Clinton administration, refused to endorse her even after an angry call from the former president? "What," Bill Clinton reportedly asked Richardson, "isn't two Cabinet posts enough?"

And some just want something new. They appreciate the fact that Clinton was a successful president and his wife was an able partner, but they never loved the couple as much as they feared them.

Never count the Clintons out. They are brilliant politicians who defied conventional wisdom countless times in Arkansas and Washington. But time is running out.

Two senior Clinton advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said the campaign feels the New York senator needs to quickly change the dynamic by forcing Obama into a poor debate performance, going negative or encouraging the media to attack Obama. They're grasping at straws, but the advisers said they can't see any other way that her campaign will be sustainable after losing 10 in a row.

Clinton strategists are famous for poor-mouthing their own campaign in order to lower expectations, but these advisers have never played such games. They're legitimate, and legitimately worried.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:46 PM
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1. going negative hasn't worked for her
when she did, it only helped Obama in the polls. If she has a chance, she needs to do several things:

1. work on her message-especially making clear what she will do in Iraq. Lots of distrust among progressives because of her votes on IWR and K-L.

2. work on her organizations-from what I've read here, Obama's all over the place in PA and OH, while Clinton doesn't have that much stuff planned. And this is continuing a pattern that apparently started in IA.

3. shmooze and appreciate supporters and would-be supporters and not take anyone for granted.

Even working on these three things, I feel she has a tough row to hoe. Not much support for her from Dems I've talked to.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:48 PM
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2. Just another HRC hit piece
It must be nice to be as perfect as BO is. My, my, my...how his head must be swollen.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:03 PM
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4. I take it then that you have no facts with which to rebut this? (NT)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:46 PM
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6. What you and all of the other Clinton supporters refuse to acknowledge
is that Obama is going to win in part because of how skillful he is in getting people to agree with his point of view (an important and useful political skill), but to a much greater extent how much the Clintons have alienated people. Not just republicans.

Just a hit piece? Ok. Answer this one question. Before the superbowl there were many many threads predicting the endorsement of Bill Richardson because Bill had taken a long side trip to baby sit him during the superbowl. Nothing.

Why have people who on the surface seem to be so obligated to the Clintons (gee Gore would be another or David Wilhelm -Clinton's 1992 campaign manager http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/page/2/) either refused to endorse Hillary or have endorsed Obama.

Why has Richardson withheld support.

You can be mad at Obama for being popular if you want but why do many of those that know them the best (including the superdelegates) not endorse them?
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:53 PM
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3. It has always ben assumed that Clinton supporting Super Delegates declared early
It was always the plan to sell her as inevitable. They did all they could to run up the count early and wanted this contest to end on Feb. 5th.


That didn't work, now the assumption is that the majority of the remaining Super delegates will support Obama.


Only assumptions, nobody knows for sure but it seems reasonable.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:04 PM
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5. Many, many party Democrats find Hillary repugnant to the party ideals.
And her personality doesn't help.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:51 PM
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7. Triangulation can only last so long.
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