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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:45 PM
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McCain aiding Clinton?
And why? Interesting theory from Jonathan Chait of The New Republic.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/14/mccain-aiding-clinton.aspx

So yesterday, John McCain attacked Barack Obama for lacking specifics. Also yesterday, McCain's economic advisor, Kevin "Dow 36,000" Hassett attacked Obama for allegedly pilfering Clinton's economic stimulus program. (The criticism, and Obama's denial of it, can be found here.)

I noted yesterday that it's odd McCain would be attacking Obama for lacking specifics, when McCain is far vaguer and more ill-informed than Obama. It's even odder that McCain's campaign is jumping into the question of which Democrat came out with which stimulus plan first. I expected MCain to go after Obama, I just thought it would be on grounds of being a liberal liberal liberal peacenik.

Could the answer be that... McCain's goal is not to hurt Obama in the general election but to hurt him in the primary? Every poll now shows Obama performing better than Clinton against McCain. On average, he does five and a half points better than her, which is a very significant margin.

So it's quite likely that the reason that McCain is amplifying Clinton's attacks on McCain, rather than make attacks that would fit his general election audience, is that they're targetted to the primary. If McCain attacks Obama for wanting to withdraw from Iraq, that helps Obama in the primary. If he attacks him for lacking domestic policy prposals, it helps Clinton. I suspect McCain is trying to pick his opponent here, the way Richard Nixon tried to sink Ed Muskie's primary campaign in 1972, but without the illegality. (I'm not suggesting there's anything immoral about the tactic -- if I were McCain I'd do the same thing.)

--Jonathan Chait
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:47 PM
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1. I'd do the same thing if I was in McCain's position........
attack the one that can beat me before he can run against me.

Makes sense from a McCain standpoint.

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:48 PM
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2. Both Hillary and Obama can/would beat McCain.
Don't give me that crap.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:24 PM
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8. yup, just like your namesake beat * in '04
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 PM
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17. I just don't believe it
I think McCain would beat her to be honest
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:01 PM
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18. It makes total sense

Obama is beating him in the polls. Can you imagine
McCain in a debate with Obama?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:56 PM
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3. McCain wouldn't start CPR for a Clinton....
You know that...you just want to be a little Vamp. :+
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:57 PM
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4. It's A Stupid Theory.
Much like Obama has started going after him, he is now going after Obama. Why do people just like to create unnecessary pet theories out of thin air?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:45 PM
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10. Because they have two threads left to post today....
and they don't want to let 'em go to waste.

:)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:51 PM
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13. LOL!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:58 PM
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5. McCain's Camp Realizes They Have No Chance Against Obama...
But they could beat Hillary easily.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:01 PM
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6. I think McCain wants his vodka-drinking buddy as his opponent:
they do appear to be pals.


NYT: Senators Clinton, McCain held 'vodka-drinking contest' during congressional trip to Estonia two summers ago

Published: Friday July 28, 2006


On a congressional delegation trip to Estonia in August of 2004, Senators Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and John McCain (R-AZ) held a "vodka-drinking contest," according to an article slated for Saturday's edition of The New York Times.

"Two summers ago, on a congressional trip to Estonia, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton astonished her traveling companions by suggesting the group do what one does in the Baltics: hold a vodka-drinking contest," reports Anne E. Kornblut for The Times.

"Delighted, the leader of the overseas delegation, Sen. John McCain, quickly agreed," Kornblut continues.

"The after-dinner game went so well — memories are a bit hazy on who drank how much — that Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican, later told people how unexpectedly engaging he found Mrs. Clinton to be," Kornblut reports. "'One of the guys,' was the way he described Mrs. Clinton, a New York Democrat, to some Republican colleagues."

"What happens in Estonia stays in Estonia," a Clinton spokesman tells The Times.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_Senators_Clinton_McCain_held_vodkadrinking_0728.html
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:50 PM
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12. A 2006 story about an event that was already 2 yrs old...
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Way to devalue your credibility and integrity.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:34 PM
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15. Are you denying they were vodka-drinking buddies? I could care
less how old it is, it happened. Get over it.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:28 PM
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16. Get over it? Where have we heard THAT before?

The arrogance and tunnel-vision of Freakville is much on display in DU these days.

I'd like to suggest that YOU get over yourself. :hi:

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:12 PM
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19. You're right, don't get over it, confront the truth, as much as that might hurt. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:20 PM
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7. They'll probably broker a deal between the two of them.
Clinton and McCain belong to the ubiquitous one-party system that has driven politics for the last few decades. Enough.

Time for the breath of fresh air: The Constitutional scholar, the civil rights attorney, the community organizer. Oh yeah. Thar's a new sheriff in town. Yipee kaya, mo-fos.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:44 PM
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9. OMG, he looks sharp in that hat!!!
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 PM
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11. Is Obama a cowboy now?
I thought we were done with cowboys with Shrub.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:52 PM
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14. Somebody actually stayed awake..
long enough to hear him say all these attacks? Give that person a medal!
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:15 PM
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20. It couldn't *possibly* have to do with Obama suddenly looking like he could win
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 05:15 PM by incapsulated
Jesus, you should take it as a compliment, instead you try to twist it into some non-existent plot.

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