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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:13 PM
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In honor of my new Bernie Sanders icon -- The Bernster is similar to Obama in an important way
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 02:17 PM by Armstead
This is from an interview Bernie Sanders gave during his run for the Senate.

Bernie is one of the staunchest progressives in Congress, but who also has the ability to attract voters that transcend the usual labels and party affiliations.

I think (hope) this is what Obama is trying to do in his campaign. This strategy is NOT a sellout to the Republicans or any version of triangulation.

(I do wish Obama were as committed to a real progressive message as Bernie. But in the context of mainstream Democratic politics, he's a lot closer.)


http://progressive.org/mag_intv1205

Q: Is this a particularly ripe moment for change?

Sanders: I think it is. Given the fact that poverty is growing, more and more Americans are losing health insurance, health care costs are going up, the middle class is shrinking, the gap between the rich and the poor is growing wider, we have lost 2,000 soldiers in Iraq, we’re spending some $300 billion there, and Bush has no idea of an exit strategy. Add all of those things together and the real question should be asked, how is it conceivable that he is even at 40 percent?

That speaks to the weakness of the opposition. People do not like George Bush. But I think it’s fair to say that they are not flocking to the Democratic Party, or see the Democrats as a real alternative.

Q: So what’s your message to progressives?

Sanders: We have got to change the political culture in America. We need a political revolution. That means we are working on politics not just three weeks before an election but 365 days a year. We have to develop a strong economic message which says every American is entitled to health care through a national health care program. And we’re not going to allow these large corporations to push through trade agreements which allow them to throw Americans out on the street and run to China. We’re not going to give tax breaks to billionaires and then cut back on the needs of our elderly or poor or kids or education. We’re not going to privatize Social Security—in fact, we’re going to strengthen it. We’re going to provide quality education for every kid in America, from preschool through college. We have to take on these corporate leaders who are selling out the American people, whose allegiance is now much more to China than it is to the United States. If we have the courage to take these people on, I think we can overwhelm Bush and his friends.

Why is it that two-thirds of white, rural men voted Republican? Why? That’s what we have to address. That’s crazy. These people are working longer and longer hours. They can’t afford to pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas. They’re losing their jobs. So why do they vote for President Bush? And the Republican Party? We’ve got to address this.

It’s very easy to make fun of George Bush, but that ain’t going to do it. What we have to do is knock on doors and go into communities where there are people who disagree with us on certain issues.

And we have to talk to them. They’re our friends. They’re our allies. They’re our co-workers. We can’t see them as enemies.

That’s easier said than done.

All over this country you have progressive communities like Madison and Burlington, but we’ve got to go well, well, well outside of those communities. We’ve got to go to the rural areas. We’ve got to go where a lot of working people are voting Republican.

We just can’t talk to each other. That’s too easy.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:23 PM
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1. Kick -- I don't want to waste my 2nd of Three for the day
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:24 PM
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2. k
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:26 PM
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3. I knocked on doors for 3 years canvassing on healthcare reform, and most people I met were
nice folks.

I canvassed rural to urban and red to blue states. Didn't much matter. Everyone knows we are being seriously ripped off on health care, and everyone hates insurance companies. (except for the insurance agents, and even some of them do)



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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM
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4. My mother was seriously ill in the hospital recently and I talked to a lot of...
people in health care from nurses to administrators.

It was amazing how many of them said we need single-payer universal health care.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:47 PM
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9. Doctors and nurses tend to support it, especially a single payer fee for service system
I met them at doors all the time.

They tend to hate insurance companies even more than the general public does because they see it all, all the time.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:32 PM
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5. Partisanship will prevent us from getting any progressive legislation enacted
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 02:33 PM by dansolo
What amazes me about the Clinton backers is that they are perfectly content to continue the high level of partisanship which has gotten us nothing in the past 15 years. Bill Clinton was so polarizing that he lost his Democratic Congress two years into his term. All the investigations and eventual impeachment are a direct result of that. Face it, Congress right now doesn't have a very high rating, and with a Clinton presidency, we could see in 2010 a repeat of what happened in 1994.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:36 PM
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7. Empty partisanship vs. Actual ideological competition is what we've had
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:35 PM
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6. Wellstone was the same way
I knew many devout GOPers who hated-- nay, DETESTED-- most of what Wellstone stood for. However, they voted for him not once, but TWICE for Senate.

Why?

Because you always knew where he stood on an issue. And if you didn't, he wasn't afraid to tell you. He didn't triangulate, or base his positions on focus groups. He told you where he was. And even if you didn't agree with him, you'd still vote for him, because you KNEW he believed what he stood for.

That sort of conviction transcends ideology.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:38 PM
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8. I think both are also able to convince people
IMO both Sanders and Wellstone were able to translate the goals of liberal and progressive policies and make the case for them to people who might instinctively be opposed to them.

It's like in 2004, several states that voted for George Bush also approved a hike in the state minimum wages.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:49 PM
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10. That's a BIG part
The same goes with Reagan, too, IMHO. He was "the Great Communicator", and could convince people to vote against their own self-interests merely by the power of persuasion.

Sanders is one of the few progressives who has never let me down. :thumbsup:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:51 PM
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11. But Fred Mercer wouldn't let us down either
:)
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 02:56 PM
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12. National and international
(all three)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:52 AM
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14. A true visionary
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 08:23 PM
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13. Kick
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