Hillary to be in WI for 4 days—“ups pressure for Wisconsin debate with Obama”

[rodeodance]

You go gal~~

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_WISCONSIN_CAMPAIGN_WATCH_WIOL-?SITE=WIMAD&SECTION=HOME

Clinton ups pressure for Wisconsin debate with Obama

UNDATED (AP) - Hillary Rodham Clinton continued Thursday to pressure Barack Obama to debate in Wisconsin before Tuesday's primary election.

"Maybe he doesn't want to debate because he thinks he already won or maybe he doesn't want to debate because he doesn't want to answer tough questions, like why his health care plan doesn't cover 15 million Americans," Clinton said in a telephone call from Ohio, where she was campaigning. "He has a lot of questions to answer."

[rodeodance]

1. whow ho----come on Obama--

[TwilightGardener]

2. *sniff sniff*....anyone smelling desperation?

[rodeodance]

10. I smell your POOP dropping in here.

[TwilightGardener]

14. This thread is good enough...for me to POOP on!

[rodeodance]

26. it stinks--take your hillary hate else where!

[TwilightGardener]

31. Hate? You posted a thread about Hillary AND Obama. I'm responding to it.

[rodeodance]

40. perhaps mocking would be a better word??

[TwilightGardener]

44. Well, I do partake in mockery--often with enthusiasm. That is true.

[rodeodance]

51. and you do a good job of it.

[Unsane]

186. lol

[BigDDem]

66. Nope

smells like coward to me

[rodeodance]

170. thanks for your support.

[JackORoses]

87. that's just your upper lip, rodeoclown

too many cowpies for breakfast again.

[rodeodance]

100. More intelligent responses from the Obama crowd.

JackORoses (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-14-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
87. that's just your upper lip, rodeoclown
too many cowpies for breakfast again.
Say you want GOREvolution, We all want to change

[JackORoses]

115. your the one who says POOP every other word

i assumed you liked the taste.

[rodeodance]

150. I reserve it for those who have no manners and dump crap on Positive threads.

[theHandpuppet]

17. Since when are debates considered acts of desperation?

I want ALL the candidates to debate as much as possible and to be asked the hard questions. Otherwise all you'll hear is what some speechwriter wants you to hear -- the safe stuff with no Q&A. That's why speeches and lectures simply aren't enough.

[TwilightGardener]

24. LOL! He's already committed to two in the next two weeks! Jesus, how

much more do you need? No, this is Hilly whining "Whyyyy are you ignorrrrrring meeeee? Let's debaaaate so I can have more attennnnnntionnnnnn!"

[rodeodance]

30. WI residents do like being dissed by Obama--

[TwilightGardener]

33. Yeah, he's just been all over the state... DISSING them--they must feel SO neglected.

[rodeodance]

39. ha ha--Not all Wisconsinites not falling for the Swoon

[NYCGirl]

83. Sure they feel dissed — that's why this editorial in the Capital Times:

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/272477

Hillary Clinton neglects Wisconsin

An editorial — 2/14/2008 8:58 am

Guess we don't count for much in New York Sen. Hillary Clinton's eyes.

The Democratic presidential contender, after going 0-8 in recent primaries and caucuses, has a new "Path to the Nomination" strategy that is sketched out in a memo authored by her chief campaign planner.

But Democratic strategist Tom Penn's memo fails to mention Wisconsin's Feb. 19 primary.

Instead, it declares: "Change begins March 4."

That's the day when Texas and Ohio vote in primaries that have drawn Clinton away from Wisconsin for much of this critical pre-primary week.

We don't mean to rain on Penn's parade, but Wisconsinites will make choices on Feb. 19 that send a powerful signal with regard to the long-term viability of Clinton's candidacy. She and her aides should be taking the Badger State's primary seriously.

Polls suggest that she now trails here. Some of that has to do with Barack Obama's smart organizing and campaigning. But Clinton would undoubtedly be doing better if she was trying harder.

[rodeodance]

151. HA HA--a little opine Whin!!

[rodeodance]

152. HA HA--a little opine Whin!!

[theHandpuppet]

37. Now it's "whining"

Even more to add to my collection of sexist and homophobic language spouted by Obama supporters. I'll give it to ya -- you're not very subtle.

[TwilightGardener]

41. Men can't whine? Maybe YOU'RE sexist?

[theHandpuppet]

45. Show me your collection and I'll show you mine

Then you can post another asinine statement like that one.

[TwilightGardener]

52. ...

:boring:

[theHandpuppet]

54. That's what I thought.

:eyes:

[WilyWondr]

77. How is "whining" sexist language?

I will need some explanation of that theory.

:wtf:

Or is this just that victim card...again?

[theHandpuppet]

84. I was actually going to answer your question with a thoughtful reply

Until you tacked on that last sentence.

[WilyWondr]

63. 20 is enough

-2007-
April 26, 2007: Video: MSNBC Democratic debate from South Carolina
June 3, 2007: Video: CNN Democratic debate from New Hampshire
June 28, 2007: Video: PBS Democratic presidential debate at Howard University in Washington, DC
July 23, 2007: Video: YouTube/Google and CNN in Charleston, SC
August 8, 2007: Video: The AFL-CIO MSNBC Democratic debate from Soldier Field in Chicago
August 9th, 2007: Video: Homosexual issues forum sponsored by LOGO TV and HRC
August 19, 2007: Video: ABC This Week Democratic debate in Des Moines, IA
September 9, 2007: Video: Univision Democratic Spanish Debate from Miami, FL
September 20, 2007: Video: AARP/IPT Democratic debate from Davenport, Iowa
September 26, 2007: Video: NBC News/MSNBC at Dartmouth College in Hanover, NH
October 30, 2007: Video: MSNBC/NBC News Democratic debate in Philadelphia, PA at Drexel University
November 15, 2007: Video: CNN Democratic Debate from Las Vegas, Nevada
December 1, 2007: Video: Iowa Democratic Heartland Forum from Des Moines
December 1, 2007: Video: The 6th Brown & Black Democratic Forum Des Moines, IA
December 4, 2007: Audio: The National/Iowa Public Radio Democratic Debate
December 13, 2007: Video: Democratic debate sponsored by Des Moines Register and IPTV, Johnston, IA

-2008-
January 5, 2008: Video: Democratic debate hosted by ABC News, WMUR and Facebook, Manchester, NH
January 15, 2008: Video: MSNBC Democratic Debate from Las Vegas, Nevada
January 21, 2008: Video: Democratic Debate on CNN from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
January 31, 2008: Video: CNN and the Los Angeles Times host a Democratic debate in California


With 2 more to come

[ericgtr]

131. Every news network has said the same thing

The person trying to catch up to the front runner "always wants more debates" she's just doing what she has to do in order to catch him.

[Radical Activist]

42. I guess she doesn't like talking about real issues.

When Obama speaks he talks about how they differ on the issues and why he's a better candidate than Hillary. I guess Hillary would rather play political games and distract people from the issues with this debate challenge gimmick. She's the one who lacks substance now.

[rodeodance]

68. yeah--guess that is why he is running from this offer.

[paulk]

174. are you serious?

I thought a debate - especially a one on one debate - was the perfect opportunity to discuss "real issues"

Did you forget the "sarcasm" tag?

[Radical Activist]

179. Have you seen the debates?

No, they aren't a serious discussion of issues. And Clinton knows they aren't going to happen. This is a gimmick and an excuse to avoid talking about real issues.

[Beausoir]

58. No. But I do sense the cowardice of Obama. All hat, no cattle.

Like we didn't already know that.

[TwilightGardener]

61. He should immediately debate whenever she calls for it? Really?

Two debates in two weeks isn't enough? He should let her run the game? Please. He's too smart for her bullshit.

[rodeodance]

67. Both were invited by the Univ of WI =Marquette--take it up with them.

[TwilightGardener]

73. Obama doesn't dance to anyone else's tune. That's why he's done well.

He knows that three debates in two weeks is overkill.

[Beausoir]

70. You are being obtuse and you know it. Obama needs to step up to the plate and deliver.

What's he so afraid of?

[TwilightGardener]

79. He'd be stupid to give her more debates now than what they've already agreed to.

Why risk your lead, or give her hours of free airtime? Obama knows that's what she's up to. Remember, I'll bet Hillary wishes she could take back the debate when she bobbled the driver's-license for illegals question. That's where the cracks in her foundation started.

[Beausoir]

88. He needs to offer up more than empty rhetoric, that's why.

And I don't think Senator Clinton regrets anything regarding her debate performances against the hollow man.

[TwilightGardener]

93. Beg to differ--that's where the inevitability started to crumble. And he just gave

a very detailed economic address yesterday. He'd benefit more from campaigning than he will from debating.

[ORDem]

189. Hollow? Empty? Go look at this Blueprint for America on his

web site. Or are you just too busy to do a little research of your own? :dem:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

101. Hillary wants to manage his campaign like she did hers

thats one reason to ignore her.

[ORDem]

181. LOL!! Good at spouting those Hillary sound-bites. Remember?

This is WI we're talking about, not TX.

:dem:

[pbca]

109. Yeah, she can't afford ads

so she wants free air time (via debate) There have already been several of them and no one, except a few die-hard Clinton supporters, really seems to care if there are any more.

[AlertLurker]

148. Is it not free air time for Obama as well?

I disagree that no one cares if there are any more. The debates have been the only pseudo-exciting events (apart from some of O's speeches) during the primaries...

[rodeodance]

158. Know your facts before you SPOUT off! She has health care ads running as

well as the ad trying to get Obama to debate.

[DemGa]

117. Nah, I think it's BO...nt

[rodeodance]

3. "He has a lot of questions to answer."

[BeyondGeography]

4. "Said in a phone call from Ohio"

LOL

[MadBadger]

7. Id like to see him respond to that from Wisconsin Tomorrow, while shes still in Ohio.

[rodeodance]

19. put your call into Obama--i want to know his response.--go for it.

[rodeodance]

57. Didn't he pick up the phone for you?

[rodeodance]

15. Glory glory--you can read!!

[Renew Deal]

5. While she campaigns in Ohio and Texas.

A little hypocritical here.

[rodeodance]

9. COME on--that meme is getting old--you can do better I am sure~

[Renew Deal]

11. Why? It says it all.

If she cared about answering question for Wisconsin voters, she would be there. If she wanted a debate in Wisconsin, she should have said so last week when they planned 2 new debates.

[rodeodance]

13. Boring

[Renew Deal]

20. Truth hurts

It's your candidate. You have to live with it.

[rodeodance]

23. Hah---you are just not very creative--

[rodeodance]

6. She is calling you out Sen. Obama----~~YES SHE CAN~ YES WE CAN~

[book_worm]

8. Is she coming Saturday for JJ dinner and staying until Tuesday?

[rodeodance]

12. I hear Friday even to tues.

[bunnies]

16. Says the woman who's grossly mismanaged her presidential campaign.

She can't run that. But she can run the country. riiiight. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

21. and ANOTHER boring meme--that all your got?

[Renew Deal]

28. Is this all you got left?

[rodeodance]

53. just bored with your posts.

[bunnies]

55. It may be boring. But its also TRUE.

Or does it not bother you that she hired incompetent people to run her campaign. Or that nobody thought far enough ahead to plan for post Feb 5. Reminds me an awful lot of the moron we've had in the WH for the last 7 years.

Is that the new thing now? Dismissing facts you dont like as "memes"? Are Hillary supporters so blind that they cant even admit this display of poor management is a problem?

[rodeodance]

80. more bore

[bunnies]

95. Dont care to address this issues?

Odd. Oh well. So much for that competence BS. :eyes:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

118. It dosn't fit Rodeo's reality, as such, its of no importance. Sad but true n/t

[rodeodance]

126. My reality is that I am bored with snarky comments. good day to you.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

132. Maybe you should consider posting things that people actually will answer properly to then?

Most posts i see by you holds no reason to be non-snarky in return, there is exceptions i will admit as i have read a small number of posts where i agree with you and even if i have disagreed they have made sense(but most has in my eyes been less then serious)

And a good day to you :)

[rodeodance]

139. if you look at this subthread it started with a much repeated meme--that is

what i am responding to.


I have posted several positive threads for Hillary these last few days--from my perception.

If the subject line is snarkled i tend to think it is snarkled.
I just tire of it. simple as that. too many months of this crap.and i am guilty also. but i am trying to reform myself --but reform does not mean i will not hit back to the snarykiness.

and a good day to you also.it is snowing her all day. beautiful.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

145. that is quite understandable, i am guilty of the same 'crime' myself

at times, even gotten egg on my face from having reacted to quickly and not finished reading the whole post before replying hehe

I will admit i look forward til the day the nominee has been chosen since it will mean that a sliver of sanity will return to the forum again and i think its in serious need of that from all camps

And yes, snow is beautiful i will agree, tho i see it far to often living in Norway(makes the fact that i hate the coldness of winter all the more sad since you'd think a 'Norse viking' would like the cold :evilgrin: )

[rodeodance]

153. I was in norway for a few weeks 3 years ago. Have some friends there. Beautiful. but it was summer:-

[rox63]

106. She's hired expensive incompetent people

Wonder what kind of cabinet she'd put together with that track record?

[bunnies]

110. Bingo.

And whats even worse is that she had the glaring "expertise" of Bill Clinton at her disposal. Yet between the two of them they couldnt even manage to put together a successful, well thought out campaign.

This should be a red flag to EVERYONE. A big gigantic scary red screaming flag. No biggie to camp Clinton though. Shes got "experience". Yeah. Experience making bad decisions. No thanks.

[theHandpuppet]

22. So Mr. Obama gets a free pass and doesn't have to answer questions?

Sorry excuse for refusing to debate.

[bunnies]

72. What a pathetic argument.

18 debates already and 2 more coming right up. And you're saying he "doesn't have to answer questions?". Please. Hillary is trying to manipulate Obamas schedule to keep him from campaigning, as well as scoring some free airtime for herself because her campaign has been so poorly managed that they're short on both money AND plans.

You think she'd be demanding a debate a day if she were ahead in this race? If you do, that shows how out there you are.

[rodeodance]

177. there you go again~crickets~

What a pathetic argument.
18 debates already and 2 more coming right up. And you're saying he "doesn't have to answer questions?". Please. Hillary is trying to manipulate Obamas schedule to keep him from campaigning, as well as scoring some free airtime for herself because her campaign has been so poorly managed that they're short on both money AND plans.

You think she'd be demanding a debate a day if she were ahead in this race? If you do, that shows how out there you are.
"Navin, I'd love you if you were

[rodeodance]

178. there you go again~crickets~

What a pathetic argument.
18 debates already and 2 more coming right up. And you're saying he "doesn't have to answer questions?". Please. Hillary is trying to manipulate Obamas schedule to keep him from campaigning, as well as scoring some free airtime for herself because her campaign has been so poorly managed that they're short on both money AND plans.

You think she'd be demanding a debate a day if she were ahead in this race? If you do, that shows how out there you are.
"Navin, I'd love you if you were

[HeraldSquare212]

18. That's a pretty thin reed to hang on to - not very creative, either.

If they had never debated it would be one thing, but millions of people have seen 18 debates and there are two more to go. It's simply going to come off as an attempt to manufacture an attack and confirm the impression people likely have of the Clinton campaign so far in this primary season - all they can do is be negative.

[HeraldSquare212]

27. And it seems at cross-purposes to her complaint that he is all talk.

[rodeodance]

36. He refused to debate---bottom line.

[HeraldSquare212]

48. There are two scheduled. Who's going to be mad at him for not doing another?

She needs a stronger message than that.

[rodeodance]

56. some residents of Wisconsin that he wants their votes from--that is WHO.

[Radical Activist]

47. She has no new tactics

and no new ideas.

[rodeodance]

59. pot meets kettle

47. She has no new tactics
and no new ideas.

[jmg257]

25. Yea, Obama - do what SHE says! She has been SO successful ..her..campaign .. #2?.. oh, never mind.

[rodeodance]

65. oh I am sure he is not taking her granted.

[Lucinda]

29. But...but...but...the Obama supporters said she wasn't going to Wisconsin at all!!!1!!!

You must be wrong.
That's the only possible solution.
And she only wants to debate him, cause she's desperate.
I KNOW that's true cause I read it on DU.
:eyes:
Thanks for the link. ;)

[rodeodance]

32. Lots of them live in LALA land--make up lies--and spread their lies all around!

[Lucinda]

75. Nah.....People on an anonymous message board posting lies and spinning the truth to attack others?

That can't possibly be true.
I'm SURE you must be mistaken.
;)

[Renew Deal]

34. Hopeless Hillary the Hypocrite is at it again.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid353515028?bctid=1418509422

[rodeodance]

49. "Hopeless"----awe---where has all the hope gone?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

35. It will beinteresting to see

If she is so eager to debate after WI when it comes to states she is up in..

[rodeodance]

62. guess Obama will have to ask her to do so in those states???

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. HAH Obamanites eat crow again....my o my..... NOW why is he AFRAID to DEBATE??

[rodeodance]

43. cause Hill can debate better and he knows it.

[Renew Deal]

50. Worked out great for her so far.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

85. you underestimate how strong she is.

[WilyWondr]

92. or U underestimate how weak she is

Right?

You really are amazingly 1 sided. It is absolutely hilarious that she is hanging her campaign in WI on the fact that he will not debate her for the 19th time.

He does not need her whereas she needs him.

He is connecting with the people of WI without her.
Don't you believe she can do the same?

[rodeodance]

97. "You really are amazingly 1 sided"--POT MEETS KETTLE

or U underestimate how weak she is
Posted by WilyWondr
Right?

You really are amazingly 1 sided. It is absolutely hilarious that she is hanging her campaign in WI on the fact that he will not debate her for the 19th time.

He does not need her whereas she needs him.

He is connecting with the people of WI without her.
Don't you believe she can do the same?

[Kurovski]

138. Senator Clinton also knows that she greatly lacks the ability to connect

with people in the way that Obama does, she does not inspire in the same way. It's a smart plan on her part.

[rodeodance]

159. as someone said: I DO NOT WANT INSPIRATION, I WANT A REAL PRESIDENT

[Kurovski]

162. A great deal of the country feels otherwise.

I don't need inspiration either, but there are a lot of demoralized folks who are looking for someone who speaks in a healing way, and yes, soothing and reconciling way.

People are genuinely traumatized, and unfortunately--through no fault of Sen. Clinton's, her own era in the White House was wrought with trauma for the nation, via the impeachment.

I was surprised to see how much people need to feel hope again. But there it is.

My first choice was Edwards.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

69. Why was hill afraid to debate in her last senate run?

[rodeodance]

74. issue is on the primary season.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

107. ~~~~~ crickets~~~~~

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

122. RIght issue is on

whatever hill bots can wine about today...

[rodeodance]

124. What kind of wine are your serving?? "whatever hill bots can wine about today"

whatever hill bots can wine about today...

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

127. Telling somone they are winers

does not make me one... Should Hill win big in TX/OH/PA and refuse a request from Obama to debate I wont hold it against her..

[rodeodance]

137. good. but I was teasing you about the spelling. -wine-:-)

Telling somone they are winers
Posted by DadOf2LittleAngels
does not make me one... Should Hill win big in TX/OH/PA and refuse a request from Obama to debate I wont hold it against her..

[Raffi Ella]

46. this is good news.

I didn't think she was going there.


Thanks. :dem:

[rodeodance]

60. Obamacampers have been lying about that all week.

[Renew Deal]

64. Actually, it's the Hillalosers that have been whining ever since she lost

again.

[rodeodance]

71. LIE--not whin. many Obamacampers Have said repeatedly said this--they lied.

whining ever since she lost

[cottonseed]

76. He'll crush her in the next debate. Hillary debate angle will be shot next.

It's just one loss after another with this campaign. Next talking point will be?

[rodeodance]

81. you say??

[Iceburg]

78. Obama can run but he can't hide ...debate /nt

[rodeodance]

82. Hillary is leaving the door open for him to enter. Will he??

[johnnydrama]

90. maybe

Maybe she can fly into the debate on helicopter, so right after she can get to the airport and go back to Ohio.

[rodeodance]

98. obama follows her lead.

[WilyWondr]

86. The debate battle in WI

Hillary's ad

Obama's response

[rodeodance]

89. AND ck this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4590048&mesg_id=4590048

[femrap]

94. K and R

Hey Rodeodance...just wanted to let you know that I have practically everyone you're talking with on Ignore! I wish I could do that in real life!

She's a great debater and I hope the people of WI get to see their Democracy in action.

I'm looking forward to voting for HRC on 3/4/08.

Keep up the good fight!

[printpolitico]

91. Health care answers

I'm ready for Answers. Obama needs to answer as many as possible. Why? Because of people like me who are currently Hillary supporters.
His arrogance needs to be tamed. He made the comment that Hillary supporters will follow him but his supporters will not follow her.
Hold on Senator, not so fast. I'm not a supporter of yours and at this point will not vote for you if you win the nomination. This Democrat will
possible not vote for the first time since a college grad, and that was a long time ago. I can't in good conscience vote for someone so unproven.
I'm not looking for inspiration, I'm looking a president.

He needs to provide answers to his plans. Programs and policies would be nice. Forget the fluff, I've already heard all of that. I want a debate
pitting each candidate against one another on the issues with real answers.

Let's point one thing out that is fact. Each demographic area of this country has a different make up. What will work for the northeast may not work
other places. A program has to work nation wide. I laughed in one of the debates when Senator Obama stated that health care should not be mandatory, but only affordable.

He went on to say that if all Americans had the opportunity to attain health care at a reasonable cost certainly they would. Wake up Senator. The only way to
bring down health care is to stop some of the abuses of the uninsured and provide more insurance to the masses to bring down premiums.
As long as people can and will continue to walk into emergency rooms for a cough then health care reform will never work. Emergency room abuse needs to stop and as long as there are uninsured it will not.
I have employees that could have gotten affordable health care but refused it because it would mean they could not go to the club on Friday night in a new 200.00 outfit.
They will even put rent aside for the extra money to look good on a friday night so they can take 100.00 worth of pictures 4 times a year.

Obamas's plan assumes americans all have their priorities straight. I think not sir.

[rodeodance]

102. "I'm not looking for inspiration, I'm looking a president."---WONDERFUL:-)

[rodeodance]

111. "It's about whether you should choose the power of speeches over the power of solutions," B.Clinton

Bill Clinton is campaigning across the state today, and is scheduled to speak at the UW-Madison Stock Pavilion, 1675 Linden Drive, at 2:15 p.m.
………

"It's about whether you should choose the power of speeches over the power of solutions," Clinton told several hundred people at the Italian Community Center.

Democratic campaign strategist Mike Tate said Bill Clinton could still draw crowds and serve as a powerful surrogate campaigner for his wife. The former president has played a less prominent role on the campaign trail recently, following remarks critical of Obama before the South Carolina primary that provoked fierce debate in the Democratic party about his role in the campaign.

"He's a tremendous asset," said Tate, who ran Howard Dean's 2004 primary campaign in Wisconsin but is not working for either candidate. "He's said some controversial things this cycle, but I still think he's a great asset for (his wife's) campaign."


http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/272544

[zulchzulu]

96. Hillary is broke and needs free advertising to survive in WI

Sorry Hillary, you had 18 debates. The obvious ruse of wanting a debate politically is ALWAYS when the opponent has run out of money.

Meanwhile, Obama has plenty of TV and radio ads going on. There are NO Hillary ads running so far.

Hillary might want to put in another $5 million of her own.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

99. straight out of the Rovian Handbook response and such a pathetically desperate response

[rodeodance]

105. Know your facts before you SPOUT off with sillyness. Hill has her health care

ads running in Wisconsin and also her ad asking Obama to debate.
Where you been?



There are NO Hillary ads running so far.

[zulchzulu]

128. I haven't seen any Hillary ads in Madison...

If she's running ads, especially her negative ads that will backfire, good for her...

[rodeodance]

141. get around the state abit--. I do not some WI votes like to be snubbed by obama.

[samrock]

103. Hmm interesting

Iowa had 4 debates!!!!

December 1, 2007: Video: Iowa Democratic Heartland Forum from Des Moines
December 1, 2007: Video: The 6th Brown & Black Democratic Forum Des Moines, IA
December 4, 2007: Audio: The National/Iowa Public Radio Democratic Debate
December 13, 2007: Video: Democratic debate sponsored by Des Moines Register and IPTV, Johnston, IA

-2008-

New Hamisphere 1
January 5, 2008: Video: Democratic debate hosted by ABC News, WMUR and Facebook, Manchester, NH

Nevada 1
January 15, 2008: Video: MSNBC Democratic Debate from Las Vegas, Nevada

South Carolina 1
January 21, 2008: Video: Democratic Debate on CNN from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

Super Tuesday States 1
January 31, 2008: Video: CNN and the Los Angeles Times host a Democratic debate in California

Soo I guess Mr Obama feels the good people of Wisconsin do not rate a debate... Hmmmm I wonder if the people of Wisconsin feel the same way??

[rodeodance]

113. some are feeling rather ticked off his his attitude here in WI.

...Soo I guess Mr Obama feels the good people of Wisconsin do not rate a debate... Hmmmm I wonder if the people of Wisconsin feel the same way??

[printpolitico]

130. rate a debate

Don't feel left out he didn't care about the good people of Michigan or Florida either. You guys must not be to his benefit. Or he feels you're too
smart to be smoozed.

[rodeodance]

140. chuckle

[ORDem]

187. If you think that this is the #1 issue to be concerned about

then I guess you'll get your answer the evening of the 19th. :dem:

[Thrill]

104. Begging for debates is a sign of Panic

[rodeodance]

112. as I said to posters upstream--that is an old boring meme--get something new please

[printpolitico]

116. Panic u say

Then I guess you feel Obama should continue with his empty promises and never have to fully explain his policies. Wouldn't you like
to know as much about his plans as possible. It's kind of like when a new friend enters your life. In the beginning they are the greatest because they are on their best behavior and don't want to expose themselves but over time they let down the guard and you see who they really are. Sometimes they are great and others not so much. I want to see and learn as much as possible. I think my tax dollars have earned me that right. Don't you ever question why so many foreign
leaders are in favor of Obama. Ask yourself that question. And if you believe it is for all the right reasons, then start doing your global research on his message verses hers.

[Beausoir]

119. You need to study up on your history.

Remember Poppy Bush? How he was too frightened to debate Bill Clinton. Clinton kept hammering away at him and Poppy was just too chickenshit to debate?

Obama is going to try and take a knee..all the way to the GE. He'll get eaten alive.

[Thrill]

121. How did begging for debates work for Kerry?

[printpolitico]

123. John Kerry comparison

Surely even you don't want to make such a weak comparison. When you go to the doctor and are told you are sick. Do you ask how, why, and how do I cure or fix it. or do you just not care. Let's not ask Obama anymore question, let's just all have a big party and hope for the best. Not me. I want answers.

[WilyWondr]

147. They had 3 debates in 1992

and you feel that HRC will be able to say the same things about BHO after 20 debates?

That is an interesting comparison.


You need to study up on your history.
Posted by Beausoir

You first.

[zulchzulu]

134. It's called "Shucks, I'm outta money...if only could I get some free press..."

Oldest trick in the political book...

[rodeodance]

142. ~~crickets~~

[CreekDog]

108. Mark Penn found Wisconsin on a map

and billed Hillary 1 million for the job.

:applause:

[rodeodance]

114. we are kinda hard to find up here in the big snowdrifts this winter.

[CreekDog]

144. But his map was from summer of 1996

;)

[rodeodance]

146. umm I LOST YOU.

[CreekDog]

149. Well, just now you lost me

:shrug:

I mean I was just having fun with this.

[rodeodance]

155. ha --nice to have fun with DU'er's ---i will call it lost in WI for now.

[rodeodance]

120. Welcome to the Hillary Clinton volunteer calling tool.: HERE-CONTACT WISCONSIN VOTERS

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary Peeps! Dairy State Wants You!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4592761#4592761
4592761, Hillary Peeps! Dairy State Wants You!
Posted by maddiejoan on Thu Feb-14-08 03:36 PM



I'm callin' --Are YOU callin?



http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling /






Welcome to the Hillary Clinton volunteer calling tool.

This is a new and powerful tool that we will be using to reach out to people across the country about the Hillary Clinton campaign. Just follow the instructions to the right and click on a link below to start making calls. If you want to see your progress to date, simply click on the "My Completed Calls" tab above. Thank you for making calls!

If you have any suggestions for the calling tool or encounter any errors, please click on "Give Feedback" and send us your comments.
CONTACT WISCONSIN VOTERS
Make calls to voters in Wisconsin to help us identify other Hillary supporters in Wisconsin. These calls are vital to our efforts to win Wisconsin. Remember, you will be talking to supporters of other candidates - so it is important to always be polite.

[Avalux]

125. Clinton needs to shut the fuck up. She needs to explain her wage garnishment comment.

Taking on the role of scolding school marm is pathetic.

[rodeodance]

136. SO,you come here and swear and name call?--Not listening.

Clinton needs to shut the fuck up. She needs to explain her wage garnishment comment.
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 04:17 PM by sparosnare
Taking on the role of scolding school marm is pathetic.
"My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington

[ericgtr]

129. I say do it and rip her a new asshole

she's asking for it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

133. how about they debate Iraq for an hour

think she'd go for that?

[rodeodance]

143. check your question out with Marquette Univ in WI--they are ones who set up.

[K Gardner]

154. An hour? That's how long it takes her to triangulate the excuse for one vote !

[rodeodance]

157. nah--she is a pro--she can do it much faster than in an hr.

[rodeodance]

135. ITS OFFICIAL**Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST-Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3182595#3182595
3182595, Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST-Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote
Posted by katty on Thu Feb-14-08 04:32 PM

Source: AP

Feb 14, 5:24 PM EST


Clinton Wins N.M. Caucus Vote

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NEW_MEXICO_CAUCUSES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=news_generic.htm


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) -- New Mexico's Democratic party chairman announces Thursday that Hillary Rodham Clinton won the state's Democratic caucus.

A marathon vote-count that went on for nine days after the Feb. 5 election ultimately added one more delegate to her total. That gives Clinton 14 delegates from New Mexico to 12 for her rival Sen. Barack Obama.



Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NEW_MEXICO_CAUCUSES?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=news_generic.htm

[livetohike]

156. The underdog always begs for one more debate

It really is getting pathetic. Those questions were asked and answered in the last one on one debate.

[rodeodance]

160. ~cricket~cricket~

[calteacherguy]

161. ***New Obama Ad Responds to Clinton's call for Debate #21***

AdWatch: Obama Counters With Debate Ad
3 hours ago
TITLE: "Debate"
LENGTH: 30 seconds
AIRING: Statewide in Wisconsin
SCRIPT: Male announcer: "After 18 debates, with two more coming, Hillary says Barack Obama is ducking debates? It's the same old politics, of phony charges and false attacks. On health care, even Bill Clinton's own Labor Secretary says Obama covers more people than Hillary and does more to cut costs, saving $2,500 for the typical family. Obama's housing plan — it stems foreclosures and cracks down on crooked lenders. That's change we can believe in.
Obama: "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message."
KEY IMAGES: The ad opens with the words "18 DEBATES 2 MORE COMING." More than a dozen images from previous debates then appear one at a time as the announcer speaks. As the announcer talks about health care, the ad cuts to Obama speaking to people and the words "Obama covers 'more people' than Hillary" appear on the screen. The next shot is of Obama in a crowd of supporters with the words "Saves $2500 for a typical family." The Illinois senator is also shown on the steps of a house speaking to an audience with the words "Obama's housing plan 'stems foreclosures'" and "Cracks down on crooked lenders." This cuts to Obama shaking hands with supporters. The words "Change we can believe in" appear. The ad concludes with an image of him waving at an event.

Watch the Ad here!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/Cst2

[rodeodance]

163. all these ads talking points have been debunked above.

[printpolitico]

164. Obamas hopecare plan

You can only cover more people if they accept your plan and buy into it. A large number of lower income Americans will not elect for insurance
even at reduced fees if it might cut into their play money. He is assuming that everyones priorities are straight. Not as long as there is the
option of the emergency room for a cough. Trust me my employees have the option of insurance, but most reject it for 200.00 outfits on friday night to go to the club. They go to the emergency room for a bruise and nver pay the bill.

[boppers]

166. So, you're saying:

That if people can opt out somehow, some won't get coverage?

Hillary and Obama's plans are both flawed in that regard.

[printpolitico]

172. healrthcare options

True to some extent. Obama will not make it mandatory. Clintons plan will. I would rather know that insurance was coming out of my
check just as does social security and medicare than not to have it if I am crippled with a disabling disease. Hillary wants to make it mandatory,
Obama elective. Granted I don't like paying social security either. i could better spend that money some days when I want something, but I won't
feel that way at 64 when(if) I can collect. Same story. You do not miss what you don't have unitl you need it. Shut down needless emergency room
visits. That can't be done unless all Americans are insured. Until then those of us who are insured are going to pay higher premiums for
those who refuse to cover themselves. I see it every day.

[GarbagemanLB]

165. That's awesome! Go Obama! Hillary is looking pretty desperate, whining for more debates.

[rodeodance]

168. You are the one Whinning about her request. You scared he will flop?

[GarbagemanLB]

171. I think I get the point after the past 18 debates. Hillary is just desperate for some free airtime.

You're out of luck, Hillary! Time's quickly running out for you.

[rodeodance]

175. I hear the ~~~crickets~~

[ORDem]

185. Oh yeah, trembling in my shoes. Hill's the one flopping,

AND flipping.

[rodeodance]

167. Press: new--Clinton Intends to Stand Her Ground in Wisconsin's Primary

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=7862313



Clinton Intends to Stand Her Ground in Wisconsin's Primary
Updated: Feb 13, 2008 10:25 AM CST
By Jeff Alexander

In one week, Wisconsin voters head to the polls to help influence who will ultimately run for the White House in November.
On the Democratic side, the race for president is very much up in the air. In a satellite interview, presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton promised a campaign stop in Green Bay before next Tuesday.

……….
"Of course, I think having the first woman president would be a huge change for our country and the world, but I also know I'm being judged on my own merits. I'm proud of the successes of my husband's administration, but we have new challenges and problems and new opportunities."
…………
"It's important we have a president who stands her ground. There's some ideas that are just bad ideas. That's why I stood against the Republicans when they tried to privatize Social Security. If they think that's polarizing, I think that's energizing, because we beat them. So I just believe it depends where you stand, and for Democrats, independent voters, and fair- minded Republicans, I have a proven track record of actually making change for people that I want to take to the White House."

And northeast Wisconsin will soon hear a lot more.
"I'll be there snow or not," she said.

[calteacherguy]

169. Good.

I'm glad she's burning four days in Wisconsin. That's less time in Texas and Ohio.

[GarbagemanLB]

173. Exactly! More good news for Obama.

[rodeodance]

176. ha ha--the race in on~--and you obamakids told us to concede. HO HO

[ORDem]

180. Hillary has to phone in? Obama's already in WI.

Same old tactics. I guess WI is one of those states that "doesn't matter".

[ElsewheresDaughter]

182. Obama's to afraid to deabte cuz he knows he stole her economic plan & she is going to call him out

[Thrill]

183. Sounds like a whiner. She is the one with all the "so called" experience

Why does she need to debate? Can't convince people by talking to them?

[ORDem]

184. Well, since she brought up health care, let's take a look at

her last health care plan features (in addition to "going after their wages":

$5,000 for refusing to join the government-mandated health plan

$5,000 for failing to pay the premiums on time

15 years to doctors who received "anything of value" in exchange for helping patients short-circuit the bureaucracy

$10,000 a day for faulty physician paperwork

$50,000 for unauthorized patient treatment

$100,000 a day for drug companies that messed up federal filings

[Unsane]

188. Guys, we need to stand up for Hillary because she's stood up for us for so many years.

This lady knows how to lead...