It's the Ultimate Kodak Moment. Obama & Clinton on the Ticket Together. I know I'm Not Alone

[David Zephyr]

Please. Please. Please.

Before those who disagree with the title of the OP chime in with your "it won't ever happen" and "no way in hell" comments, I'd truly appreciate it if you'd have the grace to refrain from that in this thread.

I really want to see if some of us can rise out of the blinding fog for one moment and see with our eyes what is right smack dab in front of us: victory. I want hear from those in both Hillary's camp and Barack's camp that hope to see these outstanding candidates --- who are drawing millions and millions more voters to the polls than the Republicans are --- on our national ticket together. I know I am not alone.

And while I support Senator Obama, I also feel very strongly that we have a dream ticket with these two individuals that has the capacity to win a landslide the likes of which Democrats have not seen since 1964. Take a still moment and consider: In even the ruby red states, the combined votes for Hillary and Barack are sometimes three times higher than those for the GOP candidates! The political maxim has always been that the Republicans always show up in primaries in greater numbers than our Democrats do. But not in 2008! We must not overlook that precious, already built-in advantage.

And while I want a Barack/Hillary ticket, I would also support a Hillary/Barack ticket. I may not like it as much, but I would still be enthusiastically behind it.

Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth and overlook the obvious: Senators Obama and Clinton together bring out the voters in numbers we've never seen before.

The night that Obama and Clinton sat on the stage at the Kodak Theater here in Hollywood was one filled with such dynamic energy that I think Americans, including even some Republicans, saw something there where the sum was far greater than the individuals alone. It was magical.

And I say that it was America's Kodak Moment.

[Independent-Voter]

1. He has nothing to gain by putting her on the ticket.

Not a damn thing at all. Why would you want someone who's already hated by a fair amount of folks in your own party?

Obama needs to get the nomination, thank her for her time, and put as much distance as possible between himself and her taint.

[babylonsister]

4. I share all of your opinion. nt

[Bucky]

11. What do you mean by "her taint"?

My money says you don't even know the dirty joke you just made.

[Independent-Voter]

20. I live for double entendres!

[jlake]

18. Yeah just that 50% +/- support her.... y'all act like Obama has run away with this thing.

[ecstatic]

23. I agree. Hillary needs Obama but the reverse isn't true nt

[ncteechur]

31. Didn't stop * from putting Darth Vader on his.

And according to *, Vader was the "best vice president in history."

[BridgeTheGap]

2. It would have to be Obama/Clinton

and that's why it won't happen.

[damntexdem]

3. Remember Gore/Lieberman? Not such a good idea.

What if something happened to Obama?

[maddiejoan]

7. Then Hillary would have to get a new VP

[jlake]

17. ...

:thumbsup: :rofl:

[Adelante]

5. She is not what he needs on a ticket

He needs foreign policy weight, maybe a military background, not another senator.

[DS1]

6. Biden

[DURHAM D]

8. As a Clinton supporter I must say - he can not pick her.

If he does she will roll out 5-7 major policy initiatives on day one before he even knows where the bathroom is. He will need to put his own mark on a presidency.

[enid602]

10. sermons

His sermons are a big job. Sermonizin' is hard work.

[maddiejoan]

24. .....

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

9. It destroys his entire purpose for running

Which is to turn the page and set a new course in both policies and political discourse. He is not going to put her on the ticket, and she is not going to put him on the ticket. I wish people would quit pushing this fantasy. It isn't fair to either candidate. If you want Hillary, you better get busy for her. And the same with Obama. This is definitely going to be one or the other.

[elixir]

12. Although I suspect this picture is photoshopped, I think it would be great.

[AtomicKitten]

13. In a word ... no.

[leftstreet]

14. He'd kiss his "hope" and "change" message goodbye in the GE

Sorry, but that's the way it is.

[lachattefolle]

15. I agree. I even had a lump in my throat watching their interaction

at the debate. Of course, then I come to DU-P and feel like I'm getting a lump upside my head reading the nastiness spewing forth from some posters. I truly believe Hillary and Barack don't hate each other, but some of their supporters certainly seem to hate them and hate each other. Haven't we had enough of hatred these past 7 years of the Bush reign? I want optimism and change, but I also want a pragmatic way of accomplishing said change. One to inspire and one to do the yeoman's tasks. Yes, each could do both but I believe together they'd be a more formidable ticket for our increasingly fractured party, unless we want to see the Repukes coalesce around McCain while we engage in partisan sniping. Geez.

For those who say she adds nothing to the ticket, or vice versa, in either case leaving one off of it will alienate half of the Democratic base. Obama needs Clinton supporters to win and she needs his to win. I think it's really that simple and if people aren't logical about this compromise we WILL be swearing McCain into office in January 2009.

I hesistate to post this because I'm kind of cowardly when it comes to bickering and what courage I do possess, I'd much rather expend on hammering my Repuke foes come November than getting angry at my fellow Democrats.

I am going to do my income taxes. Gosh, today I am being a glutton for punishment.

Flame away if you like. I will be swilling wine and cursing the IRS and not you guys.

Seriously, can we PLEASE remember we are ALL Democrats?

Pretty please?:toast:

[David Zephyr]

21. Well, there are at least two of us here, lachattefolle!

And I like how you think and your low tolerance of "the nastiness" is an attribute to you.

I don't think you are "cowardly" at all. I'll take arrows with you any day.

And we should, as you say, "remember we are all Democrats".

So now there are two of us. Two! We can only go up from here. LOL!

:toast:

[lachattefolle]

29. Wine makes the world seem nicer, you know? Thanks for this post, BTW.

:)

[juajen]

25. Yeah, I can see that.. If it's a tie, they could both be President.

He would be in charge of the glitter and pontificating and she could take care of lawmaking, policy and housekeeping, dirty stuff and all. It would be the same as a regular marriage, you know. A marriage made in heaven. But, it would only be a 4-8 year commitment. Interesting.

[lachattefolle]

27. heh, we women DO tend to get stuck with the laundry and such. Just kidding! n/t

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

16. Obama might take the vp

but there is no way the 'inevitable' nominee will

[RoadRage]

19. Clinton needs Obama more then Obama needs Clinton

I'm not saying that exactly right.. what I mean is:

Clinton needs Obama voters, so he being VP would help her out.

Obama will get the majority of Clinton voters - they'll vote for him because McCain is horrible. But, Obama has a lot of supporters who don't have Hillary as choice #2.. if he's not the one running, they'd actually vote for McCain. This is his Independant & Repub base i'm talking about. If he puts her on the ticket, he'll lose quite a few of those voters right there.

Additionally, although I think Clinton could gain from putting Obama on the ticket with her - I hope he turns it down. The truth is, VP is the #3 job in a Clinton administration. Those who think Bill is going to be picking out China patterns are out of there mind. Hill will consult Bill on everything first, and then let her VP know about the decision - good or bad. And, if things go bad, well - the VP will take as much of that fall as they can dole out, thus ruining a chance for a re-election bid down the road. Nevermind the possible scandalds, etc. that could arise with a Clinton presidency (sorry, it's happened before).

So, my advice to the Obama camp is either win Big and leave Hillary behind, or if you lose, go get "experienced" for 4 - 8 years and then come back and grab the big prize unscathed.

[ecstatic]

22. Me too, but the thing is- the age difference would make it more practical

for Hillary to be at the top of the ticket. In 8 years, she'll be 69 or so, and Barack will be around 52--so he'd have plenty of youth left to do his 8 years too.

[Little Star]

26. Possibly 16 years of a democratic presidency? naw!

[bunnies]

28. You may not be alone... but Im definitely not with you.

Obama would be way better off to stay the hell away from a Clinton ticket regardless of name order.

[grantcart]

30. Its a great sentiment. and out of respect for your request not

to have a purely negative reaction I will simply say that it simply cannot every be a two person relationship. Bill Clinton will be a part of any formula. That does not make it likely that any significant political personality will want to be a part of such a complicated arrangement.

[Blue_Roses]

32. Actually, they do look good together.

I thought that the night of the California debate. I just don't think they would get along for some reason.