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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:57 PM Original message |
Clinton leading by 21 in Ohio, 16 in Pennsyvlania, Cross tabs reveal big weakness for Obama |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. For the millionth time, check the date on the poll. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. February 6-12 |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Half of the results are before Saturday's Primaries, and All of them are before Potomac. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. So what? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. I seem to recall the projection was that Washington was going to be close... |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. I have no problem with the date of the poll, but it will be interesting |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
108. Having lived in the midwest most of my life, my opinion is |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #108 |
115. Exactly! Fark the big MO, and then some. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. What happened on the 12th? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Not to mention Lousiana, Washington, and Nebraska were on Feb 9th |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Yes, all the world waits with bated breath for Nebraska. |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It will be bigger |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yup. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. And what if he gets upset in Wisconsin? |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I haven't thought about it much |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
63. One reason is because his lead in Wisconsin is not growing and may even be shrinking |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Since when? Do you mean |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. He led by 11 earlier and the latest poll has his lead at 4 |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Those are different polls, though. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
103. That is all we have |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
82. He was down almost 10 a week ago. |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
64. If the national daily tracking poll by Rasmussen is any indicator |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. what these guys simply don't understand is that a 21 point lead |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. So the weakness is that he isn't white? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Did he turn white in Idaho and Utah? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. But the OP is posting Obama's weakness among "white" voters |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. He's struggled with working folks in general and especially white working people |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. I didn't say it was because of racism |
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greguganus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Those Racist Cheese Heads!! n/t |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Why interject race? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. I'm asking why he is not doing well among white voters |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. I'm not White so I can only guess |
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SpooningNinja (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Wow! After all the campaigning Obama has done in those states... |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Welcome to DU |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
110. Welcome to DU SpooningNinja. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Internals reveal big weakness for Obama |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. In Ohio and Pennsylvania? Which poll has showed that? |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yeah, and he had the same problem in Connecticut |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
104. that was from no poll |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
11. Bookmarking to show later... |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. A few notes. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. I go by data. The fact is the most DLC states are the most pro Obama states |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. You really don't know your candidate, do you? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. I do. I know what the voters in Idaho, North Dakota, Utah, and Kansas also know |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
95. Your flaw is this |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. About rural support |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. She's absolutely the front-runner in Ohio. If she doesn't win there with a huge margin of victory. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I live in Ohio |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Yup. If she loses there it is over |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. FYI, the Clintons are the DLC. eom |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. Where are these "internals" you speak of? |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. that is what I was wondering... |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I believe the correct terminlogy is Cross tab |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. Oh, and Obama will win Pennsylvania |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. VT is possibly the most liberal state in the country |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Just like Massachussetts did even though he had Kennedy, Kerry, and the governor behind him? |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I'm from MA - I know what happened here |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. And California and New Jersey? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. She won California on the strength of the Central Valley (eg FRESNO) |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Wrong way to put it, the "liberal states are Hillary's best" -- he'll take VT, she'll take RI. /nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
28. In Nov 2007 Hillary was leading Obama 48% to 15% in PA and 42% to 17% in Ohio |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. They don't give wins for good efforts ProSense |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. The efforts aren't over. There's still time! n/t |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
33. Obama is hurting for help in Ohio...witness this weak turnout of volunteers |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. OMG, thanks for that pic, man I'm alittle down by that poll but this pic brings my spirits up again. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Don't be down...here's another one for your spirits |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. wow! look at their faces! |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. That's right...Best photo of the campaign, IMHO |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I think it's a good thing... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. President Dean agrees. Volunteers and moeny are the keys to winning |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Obama and Dean will work beautifully together with the Clintons out of the way |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. I'm proud to have an Obama sticker |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. Nice photos and information. |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
78. There is no doubt he can fire people up. It's all that glitter he dispenses,. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
35. Obama has work to do, but still more than two weeks before Ohio |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. Good job Jackson! You really brought out the haters on this one! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Hoof, why are they so nervous and angry about a candidate who is "done" leading? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. :-) |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
96. I don't know Jackson! She's sooooooo, like totally, like OVER - ya know? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. Not enough |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. Of Course he has yet to Campaign in either place |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. About Rhode Island and Vermont that you mentioned - |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
112. Hillary will not win RI |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. But again, if Kennedy, Kerry and Gov. Patrick couldn't swing MA for Obama, |
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WatchWhatISay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
52. Why aren't they reporting numbers for Texas? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. If Hillary does best in progressive states |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
85. As a general rule |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Okay |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. Lead is down to 17 |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'm gonna K&R |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
68. So Ohio, Penn, and Texas hang in the balance. IF you live in one of these 3 , what do you think? |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. It's going to be a long fall. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
74. I wonder if the bias MSM or MSNBC will mention this poll tonight? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. MSNBC has been playing it up all dayside long |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
75. Delete please...double post |
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Hill_YesWeWill (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
77. you know if it was the opposite way around, Hillary would just give up on those states |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. She doesn't have the money a candidate who raises $1 million a day has |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Funny b/c Terry McAuliffe was on NBC today saying Hillary is raising 1 million a day now plus she |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. The beauty of the big ground game.... |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
79. We should all pack our bags and go home then n/t |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. She needs to step down and endorse Obama |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. No need for the sarcasm smiley |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
90. The lead is shrinking -- now only 14 points |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. ... and he hasn't even stepped into the state yet. n/t |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Yes, it's the boost from his recent wins. Will it hold? I don't know. n/t |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. VT will probably go Obama. This is Dean country. Dean is DNC. n/t |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
93. Quinnipiac poll in December |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. As if winning Nebraska is the same as Iowa, NH, Michigan, and South Carolina |
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IndieLeft (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
99. I got somedifferent numbers... From this week that show him gaining. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
105. These strike me as patently false, and possibly fraudulent |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Less fraudulent than old |
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TalkAgain (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
106. WOW, very impressive, except: |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #106 |
116. how do you figure? |
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TalkAgain (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. More people will vote for him. |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
107. Yep, and Hillary was supposed to be a slam dunk on SuperTuesday |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Then why 100 replies of worried Obamites screaming "done" Hillary "will" lose for sure? |
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donf (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
113. I am from Ohio, and while I am not a die-hard Obama supporter, |
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