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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:16 PM
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Poll question: If our nominee wins by a superdelegate landslide, I'll still work hard for our nominee. Will you?
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 04:17 PM by Bucky
It's likely that whoever we nominate this summer will probably get pushed over the top (that magic 2,050th delegate) by at least a few superdelegates. I think the system is overweighted by the supers, but it's the system we got. It's been hammered out by compromises and party convention rules reworking over the last 30 years--or maybe from over the past 180 years.

When I joined the party, I agreed to play by the rules of the party. Tho I want to see the rules changed and the total number of "earned delegates" reduced, there was a very good reason why the system was put in place to begin with. The more supers you have at the party, the more "just folks" you can get into the convention. Back before we had this system, the delegates would mostly be the party bosses, party functionaries, and their cronies and side kicks. By ensuring that the elected leaders of the party can get to the convention, you also free up more delegate seats and ensure that a broader diversity of America can participate in the convention.

Anyway, fair or not, when I signed on as a Dem, I took with that commitment an agreement to play by the rules. If the candidate who gets the nomination gets there by running a close second place in elected delegates, but outhustles the other campaign by pulling in superdelegates or wins over delegates earned by a dropped out candidate--I will fully accept that verdict of our party's process and I will fully endorse and work for the nominee.

I think we should change the rules, but you can't do that in the middle of the game. Whoever hte party process picks, I work for. Period

What about you? If the supers put our nominee over the top at the convention, will you vote for the Democratic nominee?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:18 PM
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1. Depends on their tone.
I'll have to think about it.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:22 PM
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2. Obama's tone will be positive. Even, one might say, "hopeful"
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:23 PM
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4. Hasn't impressed me as such so far.
:shrug:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:27 PM
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7. Hasn't impressed me, either. nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:29 PM
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8. Thank the gods! I thought I was alone!
Hold me!
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:30 PM
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9. You are not alone. n/t
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:57 PM
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12. yeah i agree
i'm so not impressed with it he won't get my vote.....i'll vote for democrats down ticket...and i'm in texas so it won't matter....
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:07 PM
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18. Me either...
I think I must have accidentally sipped some Obama-Aid antidote or something.

All I can think is this surge of support for him is too emotionally powered to be thought through. When the head and the heart do battle, go with the head, fcol!
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:23 PM
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5. I don't care about tone--I want a Democratic president! nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:08 PM
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19. Me too!
I'm sick of the "take my marbles and go home" mentality around here!


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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:22 PM
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3. I'll still work on winning more house and senate seats, but I won't even vote for the nominee if
that happens.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:09 PM
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20. Well! Take your marbles and go home! See if we care... neener neener
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:25 PM
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6. Absolutely Bucky! I vote and work for the nominee, no matter how screwy this season is.
And I do think we need to take a serious look at all of it. AFTER this season is done.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:33 PM
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10. no, I want life under republican rule for 8 more years of Bush policies
sarcasm on my part at least. Anyone who doesn't get behind the dems is just asking for McCain and a continuation of Bush-like policies.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:34 PM
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11. I have said all along that I will support the other candidate--BUT
if superdelegates decide this primary contrary to what the regular delegates have expressed OR if the loser doesn't rally behind the winner for the sake of party unity--I will abstain from voting. Fucking superdelegates is the most fucking stupid idea that there has ever been. We can NEVER NEVER NEVER bitch about the electoral college system if we have the equivalent to it ourselves. Period.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 04:58 PM
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13. If the supers go against the pledgeds, they lost my support. I'll vote for, but not work for them.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:00 PM
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14. I won't get pissed off at the rules, so yeah.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:02 PM
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15. after learning about the MI/Fla thing, honestly I don't think I could vote for Hillary
As a female voter, I'd love to see a woman in the white house, but as a younger voter I despise the tactics of smear and win-at-all-costs.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I'd have to think long and hard about voting for her. If she wins the nod by stealing MI and Fla there's literally no way in hell I would vote for her and I think millions upon millions would agree with me.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:03 PM
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16. If the supers overrule the pledged delegates,
I'll vote for McCain to punish the party.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:04 PM
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17. That's right, act like an idiot.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:09 PM
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21. Neener neener to you too ... eom
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:38 PM
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23. Well, then I'll rest easy knowing SOMEONE has canceled out Ann Coulter's vote
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:10 PM
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22. What has happened with this in the past
Say like 1992 I'm sure the super delegates were not originally in Bill Clinton's pocket. Did they finally move to him, or did they vote for who they were previously committed to.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 05:42 PM
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24. Clinton didn't run against a terribly strong field in 1992, so he got it clean & simple
the last candidates running were Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas--and I think they were both effectively out by March (the equivalent of being out by early February this year). Brown had a bare ghost of a presense in Texas in '92, but it was all for show at that point. Big Dog won it clear and clean on the points.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:01 PM
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25. If a majority of supers vote the same way as a majority of the voters,
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 06:05 PM by beachmom
then it's fine. If a majority of supers thwart the will of the voters, then no, the nominee will not get my help. It's really that simple.

Edit: I'll probably vote for the Dem nominee, though.
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