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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:02 PM
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Keep Hillary in The Race....We know the bad stuff about Clintons...but
Edited on Thu Feb-14-08 06:26 PM by KoKo01
there's so much yet to come out about our Dems...keeping her in and Obama in "Neck and Neck" will EXPOSE the ROT we Dems know infests our Party. Clean Slate. Let it all come out with two great candidates!

(I can't vote until May 6th and I'm undecided}...There's good and bad about both candidates and it's worrysome that some Repugs are "crossing over." Is it an "honest crossover" because they are so sick of their own Repugs like Faux News, Limbaugh, Colter and others selling them out...or is it "intentional" and they will "switch back" to Repug in National Election and they only voted Dem to screw up our Election. (Typical Karl Rove tactics)

We know that Bill and Hillary deserve our scorn for forcing NAFTA down our Throats and give us Deregulation of the TelComs that destroyed INDY MEDIA and that they allowed Robert Rubin who with Sandy Weill built "CITI BANK" into the Globalized Conglomerate that cause HAVOC in our Stock Market and US Economy because they pused "GLOBALISM" over EVERYTHING. Plus the Clintons NEVER INVESTIGATED BCCI and the Rot and Corruption of that enterprise not investigated, set the stage for what we are living with now as Middle and Blue Collar Americans. Google: Robert Parry & Greg Palast for many articles on what the Clinton's didn't do to investigate the Bushies and what they did going back through Reagan.

Then there's OBAMA who came out of the blue...but was totally sanctioned by our Dem Leadership and MSM, being chosen to give the Dem Leadership Speech at the '04 Convention...where the "up and coming" are given visibility. He does have donors from Wall St. the same as Clinton he has a Rezko problem. Rezko is a Syrian Businessman Immigrant. Lets counter that with the new revelations of Hillary's ties to Turkish Investors who are connected with what Sibel Edmunds has been working so hard to get Waxman to do hearings on. The tying of Hillary to some Israeli movie by her "Turkish Investor" is worrysome because there are many who will try to smear Sibel's Documentation into Anti-Semitic Activities by Clinton.

There's SO MUCH ROT...and so much that needs to be exposed....let's KEEP BOTH CANDIDATES IN THERE. Our DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE. LET IT ALL COME OUT...and let the REPUGS INVOLVED be EXPOSED, also.

If we can keep our two good Candidates in there until Convention we might have a chance to expose how corrupt our own Democrats Process is with these "Caucuses and SuperDelegats" and the rest.

Keep it going. Let it ALL COME OUT! And let the BEST CANDIDATE WIN...after a CONVENTION that REALLY MEANS SOMETHING and isn't just a "Rubber Stamp" of contested elections that we don't find out until after they are in office what their REAL AGENDA IS...and WHO their REAL SUPPORTERS ARE...and what the DEAL WAS MADE.

It's an EXCITING TIME! It's our REAL CHANCE FOR CHANGE...but only when ALL THE ROT of DECADES has a chance to come out. The Ball is in Dems Court....and we can take it and run with it...with a FAIR FIGHT ...or we can decide the GAME IS OVER because the CHAMPION TEAM has already been decided by the FANS and so anyone "challenging" will be SHOUTED DOWN.

Let's give big CHEER to BOTH OBAMA & CLINTON...for GOING AT IT WITH ALL THEY HAVE...and exposing as they GO AT IT what NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED.

(FULL Caps are used for "Emphasis" and not to bust your eardrums...so please bear with it)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:11 PM
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1. and after (if?) all the dirty laundry gets aired, we're still left with the same two choices
So how does that really fix anything? (Not being snarky here, just trying to understand where you are going with this...)

Each of them will still have their masters.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:28 PM
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3. I want (as a Democrat) their MASTERS...Exposed....we need the "Rot" to all come out.
If America is "One Party" like Gore Vidal seems to say, all the time, then let's EXPOSE IT.

:shrug: I'm sick of living like this.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:54 PM
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13. Well, that's fine. I'm all for it. But the fact would remain -- they would still serve their maste
So maybe more people will know about their masters. Will this change anything if they get elected?

(Serious question...not being snarky.)

It seems to me we are stuck whether the masters are not exposed or if the masters are exposed. I don't think it will change their behavior either way. (Which is why I can't really get excited about this election.)
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:17 PM
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2. Were your fingers crossed when you said you were undecided?
By the way Hillary did not agree with Bill on NAFTA. I don't believe anything Greg Palast says. Robert Rubin did an excellent
job under Clinton. I'm not familiar with the other 'rot'.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:34 PM
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5. It's said that Hillary is more Liberal than Bill. If she is...then she needs
to get out there and trumpet her differences. So far, I've not heard it...but, I have hope. Just like I have hope that Obama will start to go beyond "Hope for Change."

There are indications that Obama is starting to go after NAFTA...can we believe him or is it just Campaign Rhetoric. I agree with Nation Magazine and Others who've endorsed Obama...that we can "Run Him" if we can get him elected.

I'm just waiting to see how Hillary breaks from the Bill Clinton years and carves out HER OWN Platform>

It might be that at the end ...Hillary is only hoping for BILL II...to give him a chance. BUT..if she really differs with him...it should all come out in the next primaries how she goes. As it will with Obama.

I don't seem much difference between the two on Governance...except that Obama brings more into the Dem Tent. I want it to GO ON...because it will hone and galvanize our Democratic Beliefs into a New Coalition or a referendum on the Old.

Keep both IN! Fight...for your views to be represented by either as the RACE goes On!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:29 PM
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4. Too bad...
we won't hear all of the bad things about Obama until the media gets him elected as the nominee...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:36 PM
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6. I Hillary stays in...then "Op's" on Both Sides will dig out the Dirt...and it's
up to us Dems with "confirmed values" to sort it out. :shrug:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:39 PM
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7. Fart in a church.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:39 PM
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8. Let it ALL COME OUT! And let the BEST CANDIDATE WIN...
Yes, I'm learning more and more information regarding the smarmy campaign antics of The Clintons that I think it's productive for the rest of the Democratic Electorate to become educated too. That way we can SHED the aura that The Clintons are Magic. It's way beyond time to knock the arrogant Clintonian DLC off their pedestal so they are not able to keep their stranglehold over SELECTING the Democratic Nominee. :thumbsdown:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:52 PM
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9. YES! ...but let us all "parse" Obama, too... Let it ALL COME OUT!
We will be a better and stronger PARTY for it ALL COMING OUT! Go to the CONVENTION....Finally make ONE CONVENTION "REAL" ...and let the American Viewers KNOW that DEMS are working for TRUTH...(at least their Activists, are.) BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING!!! And...we thought our Dems were SUPPORTING US...until the '06 Election....where they threw us under the Bus and didn't want to hear from us. Nancy Pelosi complaining about "Code Pink" supposedly hanging "underwear" in her choice shrubbery and Conyers using "jive talk" to defray us from IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.....

We "ACTIVISTS" have been so Ignored or Villified by our own Party...it's hard to lift one's head above a "peep hole" to be considered "Legitimate." :-(
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 06:56 PM
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10. My voice is "teeny" ...if you hear me...please give me a K&R...
But, maybe my voice is so teeny...it's not mainstream........ so let it die......
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:05 PM
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11. Souldn't there be a "Vigorous Debate" about WHO should be Standard Bearer for the Dem Party?
What are the TRUE POLICY differences between Hillary and Barack? If we Don't DISCUSS THIS NOW..then WHEN?

And that's what Differences from US between the Repugblicans before Rahm Emmanuel and the DLC came on the scene. :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 07:45 PM
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12. Sigh...given what I see...most DU'ers don't want Hillary to stay in the race...
and they don't even want to post WHY....they don't.

Okay...whatever......
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