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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:30 PM Original message |
What did the Clintons do for the LGBT community during the 8 years they were in office? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. 'Don't ask, don't tell' and the 'Defense of Marriage Act' come to mind... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Please watch this Youtube clip: |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. And what ACTIONS were there? Kerry led an advocacy offensive for gays to serve openly |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Hillary has done so much for gays in NY - Kerry didn't accomplish shit. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. How has Obama thrown you under the bus? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Because nothing he does will make up for giving the stage to McClurkin |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
55. But it seems like things like DOMA and DADT would also be a big problem |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
80. so to you this is worse than voting to drop clusterbombs in areas with children? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
71. Don't you DARE throw DATD up against the Clintons. Don't you DARE! |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. She asked an honest question. There was no need for you to bite her head off... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. You're right. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Kerry submitted the very FIRST gay protection bill in the Senate in 80s. BILL stopped |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. How bad is it |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
60. My thoughts exactly |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Yes, that's true, Kerry openly supported gays serving openly clear back in the early 90's. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. BULLSHIT - it was CLINTON - as one of his FIRST ACTS as president within DAYS of taking office, to |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #72 |
89. Kerry LED the effort - CLINTON ROLLED OVER when the going got tough. He WOULDN'T fight |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
86. I see you just got caught again spewing false information. Why am I not surprised |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Baloney - No one can refute the truth of what happened. YOU are so DESPERATE to |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. so she made a youtube video supporting a school... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yeah, I'd rather listen to an "ex-gay" preacher too. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. another post with no substance from you |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Then why don't you do us both a favor and put my on ignore. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. why dont you do yourself a favor and learn to back up what you say |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I like this video |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yeah, but the specifics that Obama offers are for us to be "cured" or we are going to "hell" |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I cant find that on his website n/t |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Gee, I seem to remember it being trumpeted at one of his fundraisers.... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. Have a video link? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. And I would like to add, that that clip brings tears to my eyes - and Obama does too - but for a |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm sure gay people were impressed by DOMA and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Yeah, we just learned that Hillary "quietly" opposed Bill's NAFTA. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. She takes credit for all the good stuff Bill did, but opposed all the bad stuff. |
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johnnydrama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
70. here's a handy list of who was responsible for what |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Exactly |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
73. You don't know SHIT about Don't Ask Don't Tell and DOMA. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bill Clinton was the first President to address a gay organization in person... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. That is a good, positive thing they did. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
87. You're welcome. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. The same thing a President Obama is going to do for us |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. uhhh |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. Don't ask. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Do tell. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bill was the first president to appoint openly gay men and lesbians to all levels of government |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Excellent point. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Good post, mtnsnake |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
75. And he was the FIRST to support gays OPENLY serving in the MILITARY.... |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. What have you done for the LBGT community lately? n/t |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Eh, night before last my friend Clay called and talked my ear off about his boyfriend Steve |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. Kathy Griffin talks about Clay all the time |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Maybe. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
21. He eliminated discrimination against gays in every single, solitary |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Good to know. |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Speaking of Aids he may have increased funding but look at my |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. what a croc |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. So much for you saying that the Clintons did so much for pervention |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. It isn't his fault |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. WTF does McClurkin have to do with any of this. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. It is black people on the down low |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. My understanding is that it's partly the "down low" lifestyle |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. I'm having trouble finding graphs... |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I do blame ALL the recent presidents but I feel that Bill should be |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
84. The big increase in the prison population started with Reagan |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
31. What Have The Clintons Done For Blacks? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. All of the following |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. got links....because I fear that you are confusing Hillary's record with Bill's...... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Evidently you didn't read the post I was responding to |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I've attacked both HRC and Bills record. Since so many want to |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Until you answer one of the now five times I have answered you |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Lets talk about Black women with aids. I'm tired of my beautiful black |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
67. DSC has been trying to discuss the matter with you |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. And he covered up for Poppy Bush's CIA drugrunning operation that dumped TONS of cheap |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Yup not bad when my sisters have the HIGHEST rate of contracting |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Give me an every loving break |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Its about planting a solid foundation. If the foundation (Clinton's supposed |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. blame the jackasses who voted for Nader |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. What did Clinton do that Bush undid? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Does abstinence education ring a bell? How about the gag rule? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I thought total HIV/AIDS cases had been pretty steady in the last decade |
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NJObamaWoman (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Then Clinton must not have been a strong president because |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. So I guess FDR was a failure since right after WW2 we were in Korea |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
46. She says she supports repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell - but hasn't |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #46 |
88. Actually, the bill is repeal DADT is in the House of Representatives |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
57. Don't ask and we won't tell. |
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kdpeters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
69. I think she WILL throw us under the bus. I know she will. |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. We are always thrown under the bus. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
74. I only know that Bill counseled Kerry to somehow support DOMA in 2004 |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
78. We know who is for us and who is against us ...don't bait us...don't |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Who is "we"? There is hardly unanimity -- remember Larry Kramer and "Bill the Welsher"? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
82. DSC answered so well, I don't need to add to it. NT |
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Califooyah Operative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. DADT and DOMA? nt |
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