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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:40 PM Original message |
The true progressive in the race: Hillary Clinton on LGBT support. |
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islandmkl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. one barometer is not the only way to gauge the weather... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Your are operating under wrong presumptions. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The only presumption is that she gave her support to the George Bush |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. And Obama gave his support to McClurkin - so you see why I don't trust |
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DGoldman1212 (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. He isnt a Super Delegate |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. What the Hell does bing a superdelegate or not have to do with giving |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Let me see supporting the IWAR and killing a million vs. supporting a nitwit. hmm how would i decide |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Oh, so we wouldn't have gone to war except for Hillary? |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. It is their way of changing the subject because they KNOW that BO was wrong! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. But she sold us out by supporting bush/cheney. How much lower can you get than to vote with bush/ |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. Read my lips, the point is simple, she is guilty of giving her support to Bush and Cheney. |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. See, changing the subject again! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. The war is irrelevant? you are sick. And by the way, I don't give a good |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I forgot to mention the cluster bombs that don't go off until a child picks them up. But you go |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
78. Don't you know? Hillary rode into Baghdad on a tank, hooting and hollering... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Make fun if you must. But I live it when she voted to support Bush. She supported the worst |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. tht measure, as in obama votes to support and fund war? nt |
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DGoldman1212 (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Tell Hillary to distance herself |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. He also pushed thru NAFTA and supported the WTO. There are lots of reasons |
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DGoldman1212 (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Ditto |
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ExtraGriz (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. thanks for posting this |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. One interaction versus years of support for DOMA? |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Hillary never supported DOMA |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. She's using a noted homophobe on her campaign trail. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. At least she isn't THE noted homophobe like Obama is on his |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Sure she is. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Try again.... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. ... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Cut the crap -- here's her statement on DOMA |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Sure, she says that NOW... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I don't have to do research -- I was there |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. This isn't just about her votes in the Senate. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. She didn't have one in 1996. I told you, I was there |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Yes, she did. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Deleted message |
Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I'm not going to give you the response you deserve. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I'm going to need a link to her "support of DOMA" |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Here: |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
10. Hill is the only trustworthy candidate on GLBT issues |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. Kerry submitted first senate gay protection bill EVER in 80s and you trash him. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I am not trashing Kerry. Our choices are OBAMA or HILLARY... why is this so hard to understand? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You attacked Kerry for his efforts and praised Hillary who did NOTHING in the senate. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I did not attack Kerry. I said he didn't get anything done. And again, I ask |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. It's YOUR perspective, jlake - you have no sense of proportion and show little grasp |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Well, Obama sure doesn't have a grasp on anything. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Mainly because of poor reporting and spin and uninformed young activists who don't |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. you speak the truth |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Do you know the difference between a "Report" and a "Fact" or "Bill" and "Hillary" |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I know you don't. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Ever hear Hillary take Bill to task publicly for his anti-gay moves? |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. I never fucking trashed Kerry. I am done with your flippant attitude towards me. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. YOU SAID THIS: "Hillary has done so much for gays...Kerry didn't accomplish shit" |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Yes, that is not trashing him, but a fact. I am not saying he didn't try -- but |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. What did Hillary ACCOMPLISH? Kerry brought gay issues INTO the senate - THAT IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I'm through talking about Kerry. He is not a choice, so it is a moot point. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It was useful to show you know very little about the actual subject matter at hand. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You are absolutely disconnected from reality. Kerry is NOT involved in this. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Bill is more involved than McClurkin and Bill DID screw over Kerry on GAY ISSUES he |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. Kerry, Clinton's, Obama on gay rights |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. BULL> He didn't do it because it was safe in 93 and 96. He submitted FIRST EVER gay protection bill |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Chill -- I voted for him |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. He won. RNC stole that election and DNC let them do it. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yeah. That must be why she's against gay marriage. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Obama may offer "a set of rights" ..... and his actions speak pretty clearly |
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DGoldman1212 (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. And you base that on one event... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. He never apologized. And his "basic set or rights" is a seperate, and oft repeated line. |
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DGoldman1212 (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. So dramatic... |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. his set of rights is not seperate. Unless you're hung up on a word. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. Yep - you nailed it |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I believe Hillary on LGBT rights |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. No she isn't |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
41. In terms of jobs, of which nothing else is possible, where do both candidates stand? |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
50. Instead of embracing the lesser of two evils, |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
53. Donnie McClurkin, gospel singer, is NOTHING like the KKK... |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. And that would be the logical conclusion to McClurkin's rhetoric. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. melodrama |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. No, it's not melodrama. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
83. Bill's decisions IN THE BULLY PULPIT effected gays more than any 100 McClurkins. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. Oh, and here is a clip to this "Gospel Singer" |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. It is terrible. But the million dead in Iraq is much worse. Think about it. nm |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I've thought about it.... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I wish you the best. nm |
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