Why is it racist when Latinos vote for Hillary... but not when AA vote for Obama?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

I'm curious.


For those who will LAMBAST me.

I'm sure they didn't lambast the threads that said the Latinos were racist for supporting Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

1. St. Obama is the messiah

Hence he is entitled to 85% support among all groups. Anyone who doesn't support him is probably a racist or a member of the misguided 15%.

[Cant trust em]

17. and since I'm a man who doesn't support Hillary

it's probably because I'm a closet sexist. That's what someone told me a few weeks back anyway.

[mculator]

26. hope you have a daughter

so you can tell her that she'll get elected one day if she's got the best resume

[mculator]

25. Obama can eat fireballs with his eyes open, thats why

[mikelgb]

2. It's not in either case

gtfo

[Mz Pip]

3. Link?

I haven't read a thread where anyone said Latinos were racist for voting for Hillary. Maybe I'm wrong but if not please enlighten me.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

7. if I can point you to such a thread, will you change your vote?

I'm not a liar... which I'm sure you weren't implying......


We're all working for the same goal... a Democrat in 08

[Mz Pip]

14. I haven't seen it

but then I don't read every single thread. I am not accusing you of lying but there has been a lot of hyperbole flying around DU. I missed the Latinos are racist thread.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[jackson_dem]

11. There have been at least a dozen threads from Obamites saying that

[Mz Pip]

16. Then it should be easy

for the OP to find one.

[NorthernSpy]

23. then you should have no trouble citing them...

So do it. Cite them.

[McCamy Taylor]

100. Right wing pundits on TV hint at it in order to divide and conquer Democrats.

People like Tweety are always making allusions to the way "Latinos and Blacks compete for the same jobs" crap like that. I mean, all human beings compete for the same jobs.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Latinos are voting for Obama.

:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

5. No objective person should claim what you are contending, but HRC's campaign persons

are going on the M$M cable news and talking-up about the "black-brown" divide as if it were a good thing. I was hoping we were above that? One HRC spokesperson seemingly BRAGGED yesterday, "Obama can't negate that within a month." :thumbsdown:

[quantass]

6. What? When did this happen -- You are completely wrong -- Noone ever said that (besides you)

[emilyg]

40. Yes they did.

[angie_love]

8. What are you talking about? who said it was racist?

:shrug:

[Guava Jelly]

9. It isn't and this is a silly thread

..

[dugggy]

10. Very very simple....can't believe you could'nt figure it out yourself

Hillary is NOT Hispanic, therefore support from another racial group is NOT racist.
Blacks OTOH voting for another black person is obviously based on race.

[XemaSab]

44. After blacks were left to DIE in NOLA

it makes sense to me that the African American community wants a president who won't let that happen again. :shrug:

[NJObamaWoman]

54. Damn right

[JuniperLea]

60. And you know for a fact Obama is that person? Why? Because he's black?

:shrug:

[XemaSab]

64. If Obama leaves black people to die

I'm assuming it won't be out of racism.

I do not extend the same good will to Bush. :(

[dugggy]

78. So you are confirming that blacks will vote for a "black" president

and that blacks don't trust any white leader including Hillary,
Edwards etc.

[XemaSab]

82. You'd have to ask a black person for the answer to that

:shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

107. you just don't realize how ignorant you sound....

african americans have supported the democratic party nominee (white male) by a whopping 90% for decades. by your logic, perhaps we should have split our support more evenly with the repubs?

and while i really don't care what reason latinos have for voting for sen. clinton, my guess is that they are purely motivated by the immigration issue. the latino families that i know personally, are very catholic and socially conservative, they don't agree with us on issues of choice, gay rights, etc., but they feel the dem party is much less vitriolic with regards to the immigration issue.

that could be a problem in the general election because mccain hasn't been particularly hardcore when it comes to immigration which is why immigration foes despise him. frankly, i see your post as just more race baiting, and insulting to blacks.

[CitizenLeft]

138. thank you for your 1st paragraph

I was about to explode.

Jesus!

[fishwax]

72. is that sarcasm?

"Blacks OTOH voting for another black person is obviously based on race." :shrug:

[dugggy]

79. Yes and no....

I don't think Obama is racist. But the voters are,
who vote in blocks of 95% to the black candidate.

[fishwax]

81. so you think the only reason

that African American voters are supporting Obama is because of his race?

[dugggy]

87. The American blacks have a distinct psychological problem

from years of suffering discrimination. Just 60 years ago blacks in southern states could
not check into many hotels/motels, would not be served in many restaurants, white
collar jobs were rarer than the dodo bird, cavorting with a white woman was a taboo sometimes
resulting in lynching, on and on.

So when they see a black man with possibilities of becoming THE president, they are understandably
excited. As Obama has gained popularity, their scepticism about a black man getting white votes
has diminished, resulting in gradual but steady shift away from the Clintons and towards Obama.

[woolldog]

89. So were catholics

who voted for JFK in lopsided margins (80+%) bigots with "distinct psychological problems"?

Were Latinos who voted for Villairagosa in lopsided margins over Hahn for mayor of Los Angeles bigots with "distinct psychological problems"?

[dugggy]

95. Yes, unequivocally....

the same reason jews are liberal in majority due to psychological trauma
caused by the Nazi's. Catholics were once 2nd class citizens so when the
1st catholic presidential contender came along, they rallied around him.
Latino's are another good example of a minority rallying around any latino
candidate. Latino's are not yet exactly at the top rung in North America.

You don't see the same psychological reaction from classes of people who
have not recently suffered discrimination, such as WASP's who almost never
vote as a group.

[Bongo Prophet]

115. DUzy! ! ! "....such as WASP's who almost never vote as a group."

"You don't see the same psychological reaction from classes of people who
have not recently suffered discrimination, such as WASP's who almost never
vote as a group." ---oh man, you are something.

i won't say what.

[dugggy]

127. Yeah...truth hurts sometimes n/t

[fishwax]

97. um, yes--that African Americans have been historically (and continue to be) oppressed is

not in question, but that still doesn't demonstrate that the only reason African American voters would vote for Obama is because he's black (let alone the even the even more absurd broad brush smear that African American voters are racist).

[dugggy]

104. Unless you are from an oppressed minority race

you will never understand the damaged psyche.

[fishwax]

105. so in other words, the "blacks are racist b/c of their damaged psyche" argument is all you've got

:shrug:

[dugggy]

106. What more proof do you need than

observing what % of blacks are voting for the black candidate?

[woolldog]

114. sorry, but you're an idiot

There have been other black candidates who haven't gotten nearly as much black support, Sharpton would be the most recent.

Nor do you see blacks crossing over to the republican party to support black conservative candidates.

[dugggy]

124. Very easy to refute your argument...

The blacks were ALSO not breaking for Obama in a big way
in the earlier primaries. Blacks put their votes on the Clintons
who were dependable for supporting "black" issues. Sharpton &
Jackson had no chance in hell of winning White House so why waste
your vote on them. Blacks are not stupid.

When the blacks saw results in Iowa where Obama received mostly
white votes, and then in subsequent primaries Obama was also seen
to be getting considerable proportion of white votes, the blacks
began breaking for Obama in increasing proportions. If you observe
carefully, Obama's black vote proportion has gotten better as the
primaries have progressed.

The simple fact is now that as the blacks see obama with a legitimate
chance of winning the nomination, they will break increasingly to
Obama. In Texas & Ohio You will see 95% of blacks going for Obama
and break away from their proven supporters, the Clintons.

[fishwax]

121. that's not proof at all

:shrug:

[dugggy]

125. Pleas see my post above "very easy to refute...."

[fishwax]

129. how does that show that the only reason African Americans would have for voting for him is

his race? Yes, his support in the community has grown as his apparent electability has increased. (Of course, so has his support across the board, but not to the degree that his support among African Americans has.)

That his support among African Americans has increased dramatically in the last several weeks hasn't been in question. However, your explanation for this growth--that his black supporters are racist--remains unjustified.

[dugggy]

133. I see not a damn thing wrong with voting "with" your race

It is simple racial pride in yourself. I am against those
who vote "against" some one solely because they don't like
his race.

[NOLALady]

90. IOW,

When I supported Kucinich and Edwards, my choice was made because I supported their positions. But, now that I'm supporting Obama, I'm racist. If HRC gets the nomination and I support her (and I will), will I cease to be racist?

Did you consider the Black voters racist when they voted overwhelmingly for Clinton, Gore, Kerry? Or do you only consider them racist if they support a Black Democrat? Do you believe that a Black neocon Republican would get a large Black vote? Do you really believe that Blacks cannot make informed decisions?

I cannot speak for other Blacks, but for me, its the war stupid.

[dugggy]

96. Racist is not always a prejorative...

One can be proud of one's race and back candidates of one's race.
That is not "bad" racism. By law of probability it is impossible for
90% of voters to back a person of the same race especially when there
is not a huge difference in the agenda of the two candidates. If Hillary
was a right winger, then 90% of blacks voting for a Obama can be explained
away as not race based.

Bad racism is when you vote AGAINST a candidate simply because you do not
like his/her race. The people who voted for George Wallace were the real
"bad" racists.

[Bongo Prophet]

116. Your theories of "good" racism and "bad" racism are...interesting. Do go on.

"By law of probability it is impossible for
90% of voters to back a person of the same race especially when there
is not a huge difference in the agenda of the two candidates"

Thank you! I have never understood the Law of Probability in that way.

!
!
!
!
So, since Obama is half Kenyan and Half "white" genetically, how many % points does this Law of Probability say that he should get?

Science is fun!

[dugggy]

126. In America, if you are 50% black, you are 100% black

Go figure! But it is just the reality. Have you ever seen
Obama addressed as "half white"?

[Bongo Prophet]

128. It may be a cultural perception, but not reality. The reality is that we are all one race. Human.

[fishwax]

130. sorry, but it is very much a *cultural* reality

that race is a social (rather than a scientific) construct may be true, but that doesn't negate the very real effect of that social construct on the reality of life in these United States.

[Bongo Prophet]

131. So do you agree with the poster about "good" racism?

Not trying to argue, and you make a good point.
The "Law of Probability", good vs bad racism, statements about 90% must do this or that because of this law...it may have thrown me off of the other poster's point, and sounded like crypto-racist jibberish to me.

It seems similar in construct to white separationist rhetoric.

Maybe i am slow in understanding what the point is - last night I was nodding out, and now I am waiting for coffee to brew, so it is likely I missed something. ;)

[dugggy]

134. Good racism = racial pride in your self. Bad racism =

being against some one based solely on his/her race.

[Bongo Prophet]

135. Okay. Thanks dugggy. I have never thought of pride in terms of my own race.

Perhaps because I am white, and therefore part of the "dominant" group, of course.
Actually, a mix of several ethnic groups through history, I have long seen myself as a genetic "mutt" - plus, I have long seen it from the POV that we are all a series of migrations from Africa, and so on.

This certainly colors my thinking on the issue.
I do understand how a group who have been oppressed needs to take pride in their group, to heal and claim their rightful equality.
If that is where you were taking this, then I think I get your pov better.

My sister is Vietnamese/American, and we have had discussions of social constructs vs scientific/anthropological ones, as the poster above reminded me- and I am always open to learn more about these things.

It's probably because I have heard too many separatist arguments that i was being cautious.
Thank you for the clarification. :hi:

[dugggy]

136. Thanks! And if Bobby Jindal ever runs for president

I might put aside my political differences with him,
and just might vote for him out of pride for a fellow
from my ancestral country. And I won't consider it a
racist action, just my national pride for connection to the largest
democracy in the world, with civilization going back over
4000 years, and origin of two major religions, Hinduism &
Buddhism.

[Bongo Prophet]

139. And thank you back, for giving me some food for thought! n/t

As to Gov Jendal, his anti-choice positions would be impossible for me to get past, but I respect everyone's right to vote his or her conscience. My hope is that in our future we will have many many people of all races, classes, gender identities, etc that we can focus only on their principles, their character, their records and ideas.

To me, that is what democracy should look like.

Namaste

[fishwax]

140. no, I don't agree about that

I don't think blacks voting for Obama is racism at all. I disagree with the other poster that the only reason that African Americans have for voting for Obama is because he is Black and that Black voters are racist for backing Obama.

I meant no major disagreement with you, just wanted to reassert that the lack of scientific basis for race didn't negate the reality of what dugggy had mentioned re: Obama being black in America, rather than white, because he is half black.

:hi:

[wndycty]

12. Who said that?

Some things are just silly.

[boobooday]

13. If it is true . . . One is a vote for a candidate because they identify with him

One is a vote against because they think they can't identify with him because of his race.

There is some truth to this, although it is probably being exaggerated. I am married to a Mexican guy, and the only fights I had with his father were over racist jokes, which I refused to tolerate.

In California, in particular, these two groups have been pitted against each other for years. Imagine if they got together! That would scare the shit out of people. It has served the powers that be quite well to fuel the racism.

[CreekDog]

15. I didn't say either was racist

However, if AA support BO in order to oppose what many of them see as racially divisive tactics by the other campaign, then their votes, far from being racism, are actually cast in order to oppose racism.

[hill08]

46. rationalizing the racist choice by blacks

doesn't eliminate the disturbing fact that the Democratic Presidential nomination is being hi-jacked by the Tom Daschle crowd with the support of conscious or subconscious black racism.

[fishwax]

73. "racist choice by blacks"

"black racism"

:puke:

[CreekDog]

84. no, i pointed out another explanation

some people may be acting on racism and some may not.

besides, i see you here everyday and you justify every single thing Hillary and her campaign does. you are not objective.

[Bongo Prophet]

117. hill08, we hardly knew ye, thank the gods, er um, mods.

Poorly indeed!

[Tarheel_Dem]

118. YYYYYAAAAAYYYYY!

i wonder what form it will take when it's reincarnated? I've got about 16 of them on ignore, and to my surprise about half of them have TS'd.

Good job Mods.

[fishwax]

122. well deserved

:applause:

[MADem]

18. Because they have one hell of a NERVE daring to vote for someone who speaks to their

interests!! Obama is the borg, and they'd better be assimilated, and if they aren't...well, they're RACISTS!!!

Same goes for Asians, to include southwest Asians!

[boston bean]

19. Southwest Asians, thats a new one!

just found that funny, sorry.


sounds like a new airline or something.

:rofl:

[MADem]

31. Actually, SWAs are folks from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India....

That end of the world! Indo-Europeans; they're often confused, erroneously, with Arabs, but their languages, roots and culture are quite different. If you speak Farsi, the language of Iran, you can actually follow a Bollywood Indian film, sorta-kinda. Not word-for-word, but many of the phrases and words are the same.

[dugggy]

80. You are to be commended for your knowledge of geopolitical world.

[MADem]

85. Well, I used to live there!

That helps a bit...~!

[QC]

20. Because the latter scenario benefits Obama and the former does not. n/t

[Jillian]

28. Bingo - we have a winner!

[paperbag_ princess]

21. natural affirmative action?

I can see why not voting for someone because of their race (or gender) is racist/sexist...obviously

but what I don't get is why supporting a qualified candidate because they are a certain race or gender is racism/sexism...that is what affirmative action is all about ...intentionally promoting minority groups to create balance

When did democrats stop promoting this idea?

I would love to vote for a qualified black man and a woman....unfortunately I have to choose..(I wish that I didn't)....

I am not ashamed in the least to support Hillary over Obama because she is a woman....I think she would make a great president and I am a woman and I have an impressionable 9 year old daughter. I want her to not just believe that a woman can be president, but to actually know it!

I think we are all being silly trying to pretend that the black community isn't supporting Obama because he is a great black candidate....good for them! IMO they would be stupid to nitpick reasons why they should support someone else over him. If he is a good candidate he deserves their support.

Minorities have not made strides in this country by magic....it has taken hard work, sweat, blood and tears and support! You can't fight oppression alone.

...although I support Hillary, Obama's line is dead on..."Yes We Can"...stressing the "we"

edit typo

[judaspriestess]

27. welcome to DU

nice post!!:hi:

[hiaasenrocks]

22. Because the earnestly PC will see race, gender, etc. in EVERYTHING.

And then blame everyone else for race and gender being issues. Go figure.

Wouldn't it be nice to truly have a color (and gender) blind society? It won't happen with the extreme PC crowd. These are, incidentally, the same people who comprise the Speech Police, and you can find many of them right here posting on DU. There's nothing truly liberal about them, which is why it's strange to find them here.

[XemaSab]

45. There is too much truth in what you are saying.

:(

[bunnies]

24. Youre confusing.

Hillary supporters (and Hillary) dismiss the wins with AA voters as being "blacks for blacks". No one attacks HRC's Latino wins though. I think youve got it backwards.

[NorthernSpy]

29. First, cite please -- who said any such thing?

Second, Obama has been getting an increasingly large share of Latino votes. He speaks to ALL the people -- that is his strategy.


Now, see if you can find those threads that supposedly "said the Latinos were racist for supporting Hillary," (according to you).

[cd3dem]

30. blacks vote for Obama b/c they are black... Latinos vote for Hillary b/c they like what she has done

[angie_love]

34. Let me fucking remind you that blacks voted 90% for Kerry in the last election

80-90% of the black community have supported white democratic presidents for MANY MANY years, without question, then finally a GREAT black candidate actually has the historic chance to become president, why wouldn't they vote for Obama? I'm not even black and I see the significance of this. And you get all hissy about it?

[cd3dem]

37. I vote for the most qualified... Obama is a good senator... but not GREAT...

no experience to be president... with more years maybe... he has not proven himself... if he were white.. no one would vote for him and you know it!!!

and no one would say if he was white that being in the senate 2 years made him a great candidate for president!!! Get real!!!

[NJObamaWoman]

47. I vote for the most qualified in MY opinion and who doesn't race bait.

You might accept what the Clinton camp did but as someone who had family members who were slaves and felt the harsh strings of racism I don't tolerate it from anyone. I don't tolerate HRC camp pollster saying that Latinos wont vote for a black man. Nope I don't want to support any candidate who has pollsters say this garbage nor do I want to support a candidate that doesn't bash their pollster and call for Latinos, Blacks, Whites etc to support a candidate based on ISSUES not Race. When HRC failed to do that I knew she would never get my support ever again.

Her campaign not only slapped me in the face but also offended the beautiful blood of my slave ancestors who probably suffered more in America then her family ever did. Therefore HRC can kiss my butt. Her camp brought race into play.

[woolldog]

51. I had the same experience NJObamawoman

I was in the minority of my family in being for Obama. The majority were for Hillary. Not after South Carolina though! Some still don't like Obama, but they refuse to vote for Hillary so they sat out the primary.

I started a thread in General Discussion about JFK and the Catholic vote. Catholics voted 8/10 for JFK and he wouldn't have won the election without the large bloc of Catholic votes. The parallels to today are interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2866180

[NJObamaWoman]

53. Thanks for your reply.

See I never really had a problem with the Clintons. I do believe they did good during BC white house years even though I think he could have done so much more. I supported BO from the beginning but if this was a fair race I would have supported HRC and wanted BO to be the VP. But when race got thrown into this election and when it felt to me that HRC was downing blacks just to appeal to Latinos I was sadden. To have any members of your campaign say some stupid crap like Latinos wont vote for a black person is unacceptable. Thats racism and if you allow that just to win in Nevada with the high number of latinos than don't expect to be supported in other areas in the US that lack Latinos and have more blacks. That has completely turned me off of the Clintons and is something that can never be changed.

[NOLALady]

93. For me it was a toss up.

After Edwards dropped out, I wasn't sure of who I'd support.

The Clintons remarks helped me with my decision.

[cd3dem]

65. but JFK had 14 years experience as a senator and congressman

if Obama had run after being in the senate for 6-8 years even... I would have been super excited to support him... I really do not care what his color or race is.. I care about who can run our country when it is broken... and I want someone with experience!

[woolldog]

71. Yes, experience....

And that's a fair criticism. (I disagree with the experience argument, but it's fair to raise it). Like I said, there are some in my family who will not vote for Obama. But they can't vote for Clinton after the way she chose to run her campaign.

The reason I bring up JFK is because, like Obama is winning lopsided numbers of black voters, he too won with a heavy and lopsided Catholic vote. (he was the first viable Catholic presidential candidate I think). Given the prejudice against catholics in the country at the time, the fact that catholics were a minority, I think it's understandable and entirely predictable that he drew in Catholics, just as it's understandable that Obama is drawing in blacks.

This seems to be about much more than Obama though. There seems to be some genuine resentment on the part of some democrats at the power that blacks have in the democratic party, but only when we're not voting for the candidate that YOU want.

[cd3dem]

88. that is a value judgment... and I disagree...

I would have been happy to support Obama in 6-8 years... not after 2 years in the senate... has not accomplished anything and I am not willing to take that risk... and I for myself believe the Clinton's were swiftboated by the media and Obama took advantage of it.. I believe the media edited out the words to make it sound racist and loved every minute of what happened afterward... blacks and others say Clinton is smart enough to know what he is doing and did it deliberately... but if he is smart and I believe he is... why would he risk pissing off the blacks and others by making racist comments even if it was I do not believe him to be this stupid.. but I do believe the media to be this under handed!!!

[cd3dem]

57. the media edited out what Clinton said to make it sound racist...

now no white person can speak about blacks because the media will edit it and make you sound racist..

and as far as I am concerned.. it was Obama who made this about race and took another democrat down.. .by not putting an end to it until black leaders told everyone to stop... but Obama kept it going b/c he gained from the swiftboating... got all divisive and getting people mad...

I might have voted for the guy if it were a matter of a fair campaign... and my candidate didn't win fair and square... but if Obama gets the nomination, I will not vote for him... first time I will not vote for a democrat but I do not vote for someone who lies to win nor someone who plays the race card!

that is not a leader!!!!!!!!!!

[NJObamaWoman]

59. Please tell me when Clinton came out to bash that pollster?

When did that pollster apology to Black America and Latin America for fueling our divides. No CD the media did not start this it was HRC and if you fail to see that than we really have nothing to discuss because I don't talk nor tolerate people who put up/support racism. If you believe Obama started this than I feel sorry for you. If you aren't offended by what HRC's pollster said than I'm truly sicken. Her camp started this issue about race. Those black leaders you talk about then saying that Obama started this wouldn't have had to say anything if HRC's people didn't say in Nevada that Latinos WONT vote for a black person. That started it and Bill/HRC contined it in South Carolina.

Well we are in the same boat because no matter who wins that person wont recieve a vote. But I laugh because if HRC she will sink the party and I can't wait until many Black America really voices their RAGE!!!! The rage that has been pent up forever and thats all because Masta Wife Hillary ran a campaign of race baiting back in Nevada.

[cd3dem]

61. this is the media editing words and cutting out the entire interview or speech...

and I do not care for people who use race to divide people and bring hate...

[woolldog]

66. Bullshit. (eom)

[cd3dem]

68. people who love to hate

[woolldog]

69. And whom do I hate?

Enlighten me.

[woolldog]

63. Thanks, but the media hasn't brainwashed me.

My family/friends and I are perfectly capable of researching the issues through a variety of media and coming to our own conclusions, which is what we did. The Jesse Jackson comment (and I have seen the unedited clip) as well as the statements by her pollster about latinos not willing to vote for blacks (which wasn't even accurate), Bob Kerrey's playing up his middle name, put it over the top for me. They were sending the message to white/latino dems that this was a black guy running for president, attempting to marginalize him as the "black candidate" and erode support for his candidacy that way. It was race-baiting. It was pandering to the worst in people, and I and many I know resent it. And Obama had nothing to do with making those statements, so to accuse him of "playing the race card" in calling them out on it is wrong. He has been very restrained in dealing with race issues b/c it's a no-win situation for him.

There are many other instances I don't even remember anymore. (I didn't think the MLK/LBJ or fairy tale comments were a big deal). Journalists from a wide variety of sources corroborated this notion that she was running a "southern strategy"

I resent it even more because I don't think for a second that the Clintons are racist.

The statements by Bob Kerrey and other Clinton surrogates/supporters like Rendell are part of a pattern that only confirm my thoughts.

[fishwax]

74. john edwards in '04 puts the lie to that

"if he were white.. no one would vote for him and you know it!!!"

Obama has as much or more experience as Edwards had in '04, and plenty of people voted for Edwards in that primary (and this one as well). It's silly and clearly inaccurate to say that the only reason anyone would vote for Obama is because he is black.

[angie_love]

76. He is a great candidate, hes pummeling Hillarys ass to the ground right now through shear hard work,

amazing organization and groundwork, and smart as hell fundraising technique with small donors. If Hillary was such a great candidate why is she getting her ass handed to her?

[NOLALady]

92. Right.

YOU should vote for the most qualified, IN YOUR OPINION. And you're saying Blacks should vote for the person that you feel is most qualifies.

So, you're saying Blacks are not capable of voting for a qualified president. Their opinions, needs do not matter. Funny, the Clinton supporters weren't accusing Blacks of being incompetent racists when the same Blacks helped them into the White House.

[hill08]

41. 90% of blacks voting for Democrats

in the last decades is due to economic considerations, due to the Affirmative action supported by Dems.

[cd3dem]

62. Yes and 100% of women who vote for president, vote for a man!

[NOLALady]

94. And 100% of Black men and women

have been voting for a man as well. They were not called racists as long as they were voting for White men.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

56. Exactly what I was going to say.

[NOLALady]

91. What has she done?

And whites vote why...because they are informed.

[angie_love]

32. Still waiting for the link to the thread that said latinos were racist for supporting Hillary

Where is it? put your money where your mouth is.

[Mz Pip]

36. I'm waiting too

:shrug:

[rox63]

70. Me too - The only folks I've seen say this are Clinton supporters n/t

[flordehinojos]

33. because the remocrats, obama and his people, can say anything they want about anyone, the media

genuflects to that ... but no one can say or do anything against the remocrats, obama and his people, becuase then they squeal and whine and call the whole thing "racist".

sort of like bush's you are either with me or you are a racist.

For obama and his people it is: you are either with us or you are a racist.

[Cursive]

52. That's not true

"For obama and his people it is: you are either with us or you are a racist."

Even if one supporter implied what you wrote, It doesn't make it Obama's position. I don't recall Obama ever saying that and I'm sure the vast majority of his supporters would find that accusation apalling.

[Bongo Prophet]

119. remocrats? Do tell, what is that?

A Ron Paul label for non-libertarians?

[NorthernSpy]

35. Hillary strategist Sergio Bendixen: Latinos show little "willingness or affinity to vote for black..

candidates."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109363


THAT's where this shitty piece of conventional wisdom comes from -- the CLINTON camp, from one of her own Latino advisors. It's part of Hillary's strategy, in fact.


So, Jesus of Suburbia, it looks like your little stinkbomb just blew up in your face.


Oops.

[NJObamaWoman]

43. Love ya!!!! That is where this mess comes from. As a black woman

I was offended when that pollster said that. That really turned me off of HRC because she didn't come out and say that she is against people on race. That it should be about the issues only. This message was widely talked about in Nevada because of the Clintons and this is why its being talked about in EVERY area that has latinos. Its all because of the Clinton camp.

[Name removed]

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[emilyg]

42. **

agree.

[XemaSab]

50. Black people have voted for a white presidential candidate in the GE since they got the vote

Why is that? :think:

[woolldog]

55. Was it prejudiced

when JFK got almost all of the catholic vote?

[johnnydrama]

67. baloney

a year ago Clinton led Obama by 30 points with African Americans.

Obama was still black then right?

So, they saw that a black man was running against Hillary, and overwhelmingly were choosing Hillary.

So there's no possible way that him getting 85% of the black vote is only because he's black.

He was just as black when Hillary was trouncing him.

[fishwax]

75. what bullshit

:puke:

[angie_love]

77. freakin tasteless garbage.

[NJObamaWoman]

39. What about HRC's Pollster who said that Latinos wont vote for a black person

if you want to blame anyone blame HRC and her campaign pollster who started this mess.

[mysteryman2]

108. Wrong/ Clinton has Muslim Support

CNN did with exit polls. They even did a story on it yesterday. There must be some concern. Muslims have been in support of HRC. She mopped up in Muslim cities in Michigan. Everyone remembers we didn't have wars under Bill. He was the only one to get Jerusalem and Palestine leaders to set down at Camp David. The kinda first dude I want. What has Obama done. He acts like the pull out in Iraq is the panacea the end all.

If Mecca gives the blessing than that is what it is. And Mecca will not give the approval to McCain or possibly OBAMA. If we pull out of Iraq who is to say some more bull @@@ wont start. They may just start a new campaign.

You need to think about things. Obama has no experience fighting wars. What is going to do to find Osama BL. If he looks passive won't OBL catch on. Just like a animal who shows fear they will come. You can't talk with OBL.

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. thanks for that commentary from the neocon wing of the party....

:eyes: WAR! WAR! and more WAR! I WANT MY WARS DAMMIT! :cry:

[mysteryman2]

112. The truth hurts and will election day

just like when kerry won

[Tarheel_Dem]

113. i have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but i don't find

that surprising at all. btw, welcome to DU...member since yesterday. :eyes:

[mysteryman2]

132. Michigan

Hilary had lots of muslims vote for her in Michigan. She has lot's of Muslim support. This doesn't mean every Muslim on earth will vote for her.

[cooolandrew]

48. I wouldn't say anthing like that myself, something the media is stirring up...

...I thinnk he will be far more benevolent to latin americans hillary has already shown she will changeher opinion as the wind changes on the denying of driving licenses in NY shows.

[H2O Man]

49. you forgot Poland

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. If people are voting AGAINST Obama because he's black it's racism.

Same as it would be sexism if people were voting AGAINST Clinton because she's a woman.

AAs voting FOR Obama because he's black, assuming that's the reason why which I don't, does not fit the category of racism.

[NMMatt]

83. Why are Latinos considered a voting block?

They are some of the most diverse communities in the US. Florida Cuban-Americans are very different from New York Puerto Ricans and not much like Mexican-Americans in California. Even Mexican-Americans in California differ quite a bit from those in Texas.

[TheWebHead]

86. once there's been 43 black presidents

then if blacks continue to vote for the 44th black president more than 10% above the mean then I'd agree. I think the expectation would be if there was a credible Latino candidate, if he/she got 80% of their vote it would be understandable. It's the black vs. latino and asian divide that is troubling since it is so divergent from the white vote.

[totodeinhere]

98. It's a moot point.

Latinos did not know Obama very well, but they know Clinton so they supported her. But as more and more Latinos get to know Obama they like him more and more. Remember that he carried a majority of Latino votes in Virginia. Look for him to get a good slice of the Latino vote in Texas too.

[NashVegas]

99. I Haven't Seen These Threads / Posts You Speak Of

I must have their authors on my ignore list already.

Links?

[socalover]

101. BECAUSE 90% OF BLACKS VOTED FOR BILL?

[McCamy Taylor]

102. You mostly see it on TV news from media whores trying to divide and conquer Democrats. They hint at

it with talk of Latinos and Blacks being "economic rivals" bullshit like that.

[mysteryman2]

109. There is no divide it is what is

You can't change the fact it's about electibility and a carcase is not a vote. You have no idea if Obama could win. Lots of people at the caucus got mad and left. I wanted to vote but couldn't I couldn't find a parking spot.

The Latin, Asian , Muslim vote is for HRC. Based off prior record she has Mecca approval why do you think she won in Michigan.

[Tarheel_Dem]

111. you mean where she and DK were the only Dems on the ballot?

great argument.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

103. Why do people respond to these threads...

as if the OP is serious? It's pretty obvious s/he is not. My guess is that this OP is Donk Yore or Socalover come back to life... you can tell by the remarkable political acumen. <Winkie>

And if I just broke the rules by calling out tombstoned DUers, I apologize. Just delete this post...

[boston bean]

120. I don't think it's racist in any way. It is identity politics and block voting. nt

[George_Bonanza]

123. Because it seems like that while AAs vote FOR Obama, Latinos vote AGAINST him

[RoadRage]

137. I don't think it's racist for either group.

Both are voting for the candidate that they think will most benifit them in an election. That's not racist.