Imminent Pakistan Chaos To Render Hillary a Win

[mculator]

This just in: Republicans are hoping that their plan to drive Pakistan into utter chaos works if and only if it happens after Hillary isn't in the race: that way Obama loses every independent and 'scared democrat' in the general election.

Update: Republicans send a message to Pakistan: please hold the chaos off until Hillary is out. She appears tougher than McCain. Hell, she IS touger than McCain. Let's not forget the debate question about the what was the biggest global crisis: Obama said Iraq, Edwards said Iraq, Hillary said Pakistan. Even McCain knew it was Pakistan. His mouth is salivating. :)

New campaign slogans, anyone?

Obama supporters: giving republicans another chance to steal the election.

Obama: If you can't be good, be lucky! Come on temporary world Peace!!

BO to Pakistan: PLEASE STAY PEACEFUL until December!

Hillary: I'm on the Armed Services Committee. I will own McCain in the event of Pakistani Chaos.

I expect BO supporters have some completely inadequate and naive comeback to this INCONVENIENT TRUTH.

[TexasObserver]

1. All the King's horses and all the king's men, can't put Humpty's campaign back together again

Not Pakistan, not anything.

[mculator]

2. comeon

As I said... it's just inconvenient isn't it...

[Exultant Democracy]

6. Did you hear about the chaos at the Clinton campaign headquarters last night,

I heard rumors that it came to things being thrown across the room during a pretty heated argument about who is to blame.

[berni_mccoy]

38. LOL!

[Alexander]

3. Obama and Bhutto agreed on the issue of Pakistan. Obama has nothing to fear.

He said all the right things on Pakistan, even though Hillary chose to attack him on the issue.

[mculator]

4. Well

He has *any* national security crisis to fear, doesn't he?
Let's see.

McCain: war hero.

Hillary: Armed Services Oversight plus toughest character in the race.

Barack: ??? Please give me the fighting experience please...

[Alexander]

40. Obama's been a key figure on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 3 years.

Ignore that at your own peril.

[mculator]

50. foreign relations

let's not forget that if the globe would vote, they'd go Hillary. wish I had a link, it's been repeated on APR over and over.

And as a community organizer, i'm sure his experience in "RELATIONS" makes him a great warrior.

ignore that at your own peril.

[blm]

56. Hillary is part of Bush-Clinton-Bush lie policy on Pakistan. She's BOUND to continue it

because Bill covered up so much for Poppy Bush on Pakistan and BCCI.

You want a foreign policy in Pakistan built on deceit or a policy that deals with the REALITY of Pakistan in a smart, ethical and moral way?

[mculator]

64. BCCI

You must have dreams about BCCI you point it out so much. It's making me fall asleep. Obama is a neophyte, and nothing you say or do changes the fact that he admits he can't manage his way out of a paper box. The more you bring Kerry up to save the day, the more I ask you: Why not just ask Kerry to run again? You make absolutely no sense unless you're taken as a Clinton hater. There are no clean politicians. There is no perfect world. Obama is a neophyte.
Obama is a neophyte.
I won't vote just because "blm" thinks Kerry's good enough to make up for his lack of substance.
You must have fallen for the pied piper's speeches.

[Alexander]

70. And you don't say anything about BCCI at all.

What's the matter, are you afraid to talk about it? Afraid something damaging about St. Hillary might come out?

[mculator]

72. No

I just don't know about it, and I'm certainly sure that you don't either

[Alexander]

77. I know a great deal about BCCI. Some helpful links are below.

"I just don't know about it, and I'm certainly sure that you don't either"

At least you admitted your own ignorance. Now it's time to swallow your pride, put away your arrogant attitude and admit that others know a lot more about BCCI than you ever could.

You can read this and decide to educate yourself, or you can keep acting like an ignorant jerk. It's up to you.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3333.htm

[blm]

78. You better. Because you'll be hearing about it in connection to the MILLIONS Bill is banking

right now from the very people who were protected when Bill deep-sixed BCCIs outstanding matters throughout the 90s.

McCain will show NO LOYALTY to Bushes once he becomes the nominee officially and he WILL throw Bushes under the bus as he attacks Clintons on this.

[Alexander]

85. And it has a lot to do with Clinton's "Secret List" of Library donors.

I couldn't help but notice the partial list that was released.

It included the royal family of Saudi Arabia, who donated to Bush's library as well.

I believe sultans and royalty in Brunei, Dubai and many other monarchical oil-rich countries were on the list as well.

And that was only a partial list. Who knows what secrets the whole list might tell us?

[rufus dog]

86. where the fuck is your logic? II

[jackson_dem]

87. Key figure? He chairs the subcommittee on Europe and has held 0 hearings

He hasn't even visited Europe. Obama is all hat and no cattle.

[blm]

89. He has better advisors than Hill has on Pakistan. and WAY more trustworthy for America

.

[jeffrey_X]

71. LOL at "toughest character"

seriously

[HCE SuiGeneris]

79. toughest character, AND, Goddess of Peace!!!!

:rofl: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4571170&mesg_id=4571170

Holy crap there are some pretty active imaginations at work these days...

[NashVegas]

9. Yeah, And Look Where That Got Bhutto!

'nuff said.

[mculator]

15. TN represent!!!!!

[Alexander]

42. Murdered by the powers-that-be?

Are you trying to suggest Obama will meet a similar fate?

[mculator]

48. You wish

The mere chance of it might bring him the 80% landslide victories he needs to win the nomination, but I doubt it.

[Alexander]

62. No, I don't wish. Do you?

"The mere chance of it might bring him the 80% landslide victories he needs to win the nomination, but I doubt it."

You're funny. Hillary's own advisers admit she needs to win Ohio and Texas by at least 60%, or she's done.

You must be pulling your 80% figure out of your ass.

[mculator]

66. Wow

i actually thought you knew what was going on-- NEITHER OF THEM can reach the Nomination on delegates without stealing supers from another, unless there is 80% landslides. This was on CNN last night! There are simply not enough delegates unless we revisit FL and MI. . . Scary, huh?

[Alexander]

73. Super delegates won't go against the will of the voters.

Surely they told you that on CNN, or did you fall asleep during that part? Every Democrat from Howard Dean on down has been perfectly clear on that issue.

"i actually thought you knew what was going on"

I do, apparently a lot better than you do. I wish I could say the same about you, but to be honest I knew you were and still are totally clueless.

[mculator]

75. good comeback

not

[Alexander]

80. It's called a "fact", not a comeback. Try using them sometime.

I notice you don't use any. Did you bother to read the information I provided on BCCI, or will you continue to act like an ignorant jerk?

[NashVegas]

88. I'm Stating that Bhutto Misread the Situation, To Great Disaster

Which means BO can, as well.

[blm]

90. She didn't misread it - she knew it was coming, but thought the people needed

to rally behind a leader they trusted. She told both Kerry and Biden about what was going on and they insisted she get more security allotted to her but Bush wouldn't do it - so they wrote it into legislation designating funds specifically for her security - and Bush still slow walked on it. Bush knew what was coming. He helped in his own way.

[jackson_dem]

11. And that knee jerk reply has nothing to do with the OP

[Alexander]

43. It has everything to do with it. But thanks for not explaining yourself.

Obama was right on Pakistan and right on Iraq. If someone as "inexperienced" as he is shows consistently good judgment like this, I'm not worried - and he shouldn't be either.

[dysfunctional press]

5. oh, well...

that's life.

i'm sure that barack will do just fine. and if not- then hillary can run in 2012 on the "i told you so" platform.

[mculator]

7. well

as long as she's still in it, I'm not on his team. Still, touche... :)

[Name removed]

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[mculator]

13. so

another inadequate comeback? calling me a newbie just because i only have 1 heart to your 7? May the *best* candidate win!!!

[K Gardner]

26. Murkin... is that you??

[mculator]

31. i'm tim cooper :)

of nashvegas, TN, baby!
but who is murkin?

[K Gardner]

36. Hey Tim.. I'm just east of you a couple hours. Be careful or I'll

take a road trip. Nashville is my 2nd home !

Murkin is a DU Legend.. we'll talk later. Nice to meet ya neighbor :hi:

[mculator]

39. watch out

I've got Hillary fever!

[K Gardner]

52. No problem, we'll just cancel each other out :-)

[mculator]

53. careful

a lot of cops out east might find out you're a democrat and lock you up. :)

[thunder rising]

21. I'm sure the HillaryBots have figured out how to have multiple accounts

[Blue State Bandit]

10. I got one. It's call show me a link, if it even exists.

I personaly wouldn't put it past the Pugs, but the fact

that you would post such allegations with out a lick of

evidence makes me not give a shit.

[mculator]

14. hey calm down

it's a joke, dude.

[Blue State Bandit]

18. Ya might want to post something funny then.

Cause we ain't laughing at the joke.

You, maybe...

[mculator]

20. dont be naive

even if it IS backwards for Evian, mr bourgeois.

[Adsos Letter]

12. I suspect the violence soon to appear in Lebanon....

between Syria/Iran and Israel may put a short-circuit in everyones wiring... and, from the reports on NPR and BBC, its going to involve gaza as well... :scared:

[mculator]

16. what reports?

got a link to the issue?

[Adsos Letter]

17. yes...back in a few minutes...

[mculator]

19. word

[Adsos Letter]

22. ...links...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7245042.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7245960.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7213700.stm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18941477

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/

[mculator]

23. Damn!

and I thought McCain had no chance!

[Adsos Letter]

27. I wish I could link you to the specific report I was listening to...

I listen to a lot of BBC and NPR...the links I gave you are to general issues surrounding the assassinations ...but it was on BBC Worldservice (last night, I think) where the interviewee was presenting a compelling argument that Israel is preparing to undertake an incursion into Gaza aimed at ending, once and for all, the issue of Qassam rocket fire into Israel, and that this incursion would be stronger and more destructive than any thing yet seen...

I'll see if I can find the specific link...

[Jillian]

24. Pakistan is a mess right now.

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T5GGLL_enUS259US260&q=pakistan&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn&oi=property_suggestions&resnum=0&ct=property-revision&cd=1

Kerry, Hagel and Biden are all going over there next week.

This is exactly why we need a President that is READY on day one.

[mculator]

25. bam

you hit the nail on the head sistah!

[blm]

30. Kerry's the top lawmaker in DC on Pakistan issues - has been for 20 years. He advises Obama

and Obama has been very much part f the ongoing debate on Pakistan in SFRC that he sits on with Kerry, Biden and Hagel.

I'm sure he knows the issues at hand.

[mculator]

32. Yeah I heard he helped him considerably in Massachusets

[blm]

35. He and Kennedy helped him NATIONALLY, and closed a 37 pt gap in Mass. But isn't YOUR thread

about the serious issue of Pakistan?

Or is this an unserious thread?

[mculator]

41. it's a point

Kerry isn't running for president. and i'm sure he'll suck up to Hillary if she's the nominee.

[blm]

44. YOU are talking about Pakistan matters. Obama's advisor is top lawmaker on Pakistan

John Kerry. So why would Obama not be ready on Pakistan?

I don't think Hillary's top advisor is as smart or ethical on Pakistan as Obama's advisor is, in fact, alot of the turmoil in Pakistan now would not exist if Bill Clinton hadn't deep-sixed all the outstanding matters of BCCI in his effort to protect Poppy Bush, Jackson Stephens, Marc Rich, and the Dubai and Saudi royals some of who started BCCI and are now dumping millions into Bill's bank accounts.

[mculator]

46. Hillary doesn't need a Kerry.

She's 80% favorable in Europe. Her mere presence would bring us allies.

[blm]

49. All she knows about Pakistan is that Bill's deceit to protect Poppy Bush caused

much of the turmoil there.

They know deep-sixing the BCCI report let all the players off the hook, including AQ Khan. Now they are getting MILLIONS from Dubai royals who staked BCCI. This is a scandal of enormous proprtions that WILL come out eventually, as soon as Bushes can figure out how to set up ALL blame on Clintons.

[Jillian]

47. Well he sure didn't help Obama here, did he ?

Sunday, August 05, 2007
Pakistanis Protest Barak Obama's Invasion Threats

On Wednesday, Barak Obama pledged that he would ignore Al-Qaeda in Iraq but would invade US ally Pakistan to hunt down members of the terror organization.

On Friday, Pakistanis took to the streets to protest Obama's invasion threats.
Of course, US flags were also torched.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/RrXNNDefwGI/AAAAAAAAGS8/2ZIQGyGp4f0/s400/paki+obama3.jpg

[blm]

57. That was spun and those are likely Bush-Musharraf friendly operatives acting as protestors.

You want a foreign policy in Pakistan bound to the deceit and lies of the past then support Hillary.

Bill deep-sixed BCCI report to protect Poppy Bush and Dubai and AQ Khan and Jackson Stephens, and alot of that was due to the funding of nuclear proliferation going on in Pakistan.

You really want to continue that or go with a foreign policy that is not bound to those past deceits and that deals with Pakistan in a smart and ETHICAL way?

[mculator]

60. did you say smart??

I thought you were pro Obama... don't confuse us!! LOL

[blm]

81. Your idea of smart was Clinton protecting Poppy Bush's connection to AQ Khan network

of nuclear proliferation amd armsdealing?

[blm]

28. What a horseshit post. Do you even KNOW who the top lawmaker is in DC on Pakistan?

John Kerry. And Joe Biden is right there, too.

Kerry's advising Obama. And Biden would too, if asked. They all share SFRC committee duties.

And I'm also quite sure that Obama's three other advisors would be helping out as well, Richard Clarke, Susan Rice, Gen. Anthony Zinni.


Hillary's top advisor was the same one Tony Blair had from 2001-2007.

[thunder rising]

29. First, there are a lot of MORONs that can get us into a war. We want someone that keeps peace

Second, Pakistan doesn't count!! Whatever happens in Pakistan is of no concern to the people of the US.

[mculator]

33. Pakistan is Nuclear

where have you been?

[blm]

37. pakistan is nuclear thanks to BCCI - Kerry unraveled BCCI - Bill Clinton deep-sixed BCCI report

and its outstanding matters throughout the 90s, protecting AQ Khan's nuclear proliferation network and those who were funding it.

Those funding it through BCCI were also Dubai and Saudi royals who have been lining Bill's bank account recently by the tens of millions.

Do you really want to discuss this?

[mculator]

45. I've been to Dubai

not that it matters,
all of this is old news.

Pakistan *is* nuclear. Blaming people for the past doesn't change the fact that Obama is a neophyte.

[blm]

54. Obama's been on SFRC with Kerry, Biden and Hagel. He's learning the truth and won't be handcuffed

to the policy of lies and deceits on pakistan that Clintons are handcuffed to from the decades of protecting Poppy Bush and Jackson Stephens and Marc Rich and Dubai and Saudi royals.

Turn the page on the DECEITFUL foreign policy machine.

Say yes to ETHICAL foreign policy that won't blowback at us in the form of planes being flown into NY buildings.

No more Clintons or Bushes. They are a LIE machine.

[mculator]

58. Oh

Sorry, Obama passed what bill concerning nuclear waste?

You WISH his hands were clean. THEY AREN'T . . .
Only difference is every little thing that comes out is NEW

you keep throwing up the same garbage, which unfortunately doesn't make the news anymore

Hillary APPEARS tougher (and she IS), and in this LAME AMERICAN MEDIA ELECTION, that's all that matters in the case of a crisis. That is my point.

[blm]

63. Dubai's MILLIONS in Bill's bank account is something McCain will use against them and HE will

ed up looking more ethical and principled on Pakistan and the entire region.

Bill shouldn't have deep-sixed BCCI report in the 90s and be accepting MILLIONS from BCCI's backers who were protected now.

At some point, McCain can get back at both Bushes and Clintons in one fell swoop of a speech about this. And the public would eat it up with a spoon.

[mculator]

67. Reps

will eat Bo for breakfast
-micheal moore

you keep lying to yourself, blm

[blm]

83. You know so little and attempt to come here and GLORIFY YOURSELF when you are to be pitied

for your lack of knowledge of a subject you decided to dive into.

Get real, you're drowning here in your own ignorance of the entire subject you chose to post a thread.

[Straight Shooter]

51. "Whatever happens in Pakistan is of no concern to the people of the U.S."

I'm going to write something I've never before written on DU:

That. is. the. dumbest. post. I. have. ever. seen.

[JackRiddler]

34. Do you really think this bullshit works? nt

[mculator]

55. TO ALL THAT DON'T "GET" THIS POST

it's a point

line em up

McCain
Hillary
Obama


Who will Americans think is the toughest warrior in the Case of National Security Crisis(es)?

I don't know how to poll, but I'd bet America would view it as

Hillary
McCain
Obama

[blm]

59. Your point is that Foreign Policy based in DECEIT is good for our country? It CAUSED 9-11

and I am sure that there are some honest lawmakers prepared to MAKE that point.

[mculator]

61. where on earth did you get that

you're just a clinton hater, admit it. Obama could kill someone and you wouldn't vote for them... right???

[blm]

65. You don't really know what you're talking about rePakistan, admit it.

if you're gonna come here and fuck with eagles, you better learn to fly.

[mculator]

69. and another one bites the dust

the man shows his teeth
he'd vote for Obama no matter what
i rest my case :)

[blm]

74. You have no case to make - you blabber without saying ANYTHING near a response.

Your attempt at self-glorification is a failure.

[mculator]

76. i don't argue with

neophyte supporters whose minds are too frail to escape the speeches of the messiah Obama. I'll let you get the last word... enjoy it if you want it... :) By the way, I voted for Hillary and so will Texas :)

[blm]

84. I don't listen to speeches - I read National Security Archives and reports and KNOW Clintons

and their decisions have had dangerous consequences for this country and the world and 9-11 and events in Pakistan are part of that blowback from those decisions.

[ShortnFiery]

68. Yes, that's exactly what this Country needs, "war horse" President replace the swaggering WARRIOR...

that we have now occupying the White House. :crazy:

You forgot the "wrap up fear-mongering line" to bring it on home for the Military Industrial Complex: Don't forget that we're AT WAR! Get your sorry ass in line and join "The Clinton Team" for the big win. :wow: :crazy: :nuke:

Yeah, warmongering right wing DLCers are sad when they hear, "Someday this war is going to end." :eyes:

[rufus dog]

82. where the fuck is your logic?