A good campaigner does not "always" a good president make.

[Tennessee Gal]

edited to add the word "always"

[Mz Pip]

1. But a bad campaigner

doesn't necessarily make a good president, either. :shrug:

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. a bad campaigner doesn't make a president period.

[Tennessee Gal]

29. That is something to think about. The media plays a role in it.

[Tennessee Gal]

33. Of course you are correct.

Have you considered how many excellent campaigners made lousy presidents?

[THUNDER HANDS]

36. all lousy presidents were excellent campaigners, as were all great presidents

you don't get to be president unless you're an excellent campaigner.

[Tennessee Gal]

37. Doesn't that give you pause to think?

[Bicoastal]

40. Yeah, it sure does.

It makes me think that if Hillary was still winning like she was two months ago, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[THUNDER HANDS]

42. about?

I mean, I'd prefer to run an excellent campaigner to a not-excellent one.

For example, Mike Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry. All would have been excellent presidents, if not for their poor campaigning skills.

[Tennessee Gal]

45. Are you forgetting excellent campaigners who have made lousy presidents?

Our most recent one, for example.

[cojoel]

53. with one exception, maybe

Gerald Ford was president after being appointed VP and then Nixon resigning. He was not a great campaigner though, and lost in 1976 to Carter.

[Tennessee Gal]

52. With the help of the media a bad campaigner gets to be president.

W did.

[FrenchieCat]

3. A good first lady does not a good candidate make, you mean?

[Tennessee Gal]

12. Nope. Wrong.

[Capn Sunshine]

4. however

it's all we have to go by.

Who do you think is a bad campaigner?

[Hawkeye-X]

5. So Hillary should concede, by your own very words.

She's not a good campaigner, so she should concede?

[Tennessee Gal]

35. The best campaigner is not always the best person for the job.

That was my point.

You missed it.

[Tennessee Gal]

50. When did I say Hillary is a bad campaigner?

I didn't.

[tyne]

6. bad idea

I get a little upset when someone compares any Dem with W

[Bucky]

9. Vote for Obama!

Now that Romney's out of the race, we can pick up the pretty-people vote too!!

[tyne]

13. You're right....

that was uncalled for.

[Tennessee Gal]

38. The pretty people?

[no name no slogan]

7. Wow, you wasted a post on that?

:shrug:

[Tennessee Gal]

8. Nope.

Think harder.

[tyne]

11. I've often

heard that Obama reminds them of W.

[Tennessee Gal]

14. ding! ding!

[no name no slogan]

15. I know what you're saying

and the comment still stands.

[Tennessee Gal]

39. Still think I wasted a post?

Getting people to think is wasting a post?

I don't think so.

[LSparkle]

10. Until we get PUBLICLY-FINANCED elections, we have no other choice

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Sure.

And relatives of good presidents rarely make good presidents.

[Tennessee Gal]

18. Blood relatives in the past 25 years.

Ding! Ding!

[Bucky]

22. Okay, Clintonista, you won that round... but just by a nose

the nose of a bullmoose

[Tennessee Gal]

27. Clintonista?

You don't know me.

[Bucky]

28. Sorry, I was misled by your Clinton avatar

Anyway, I was just saying that to set up my bullmoose joke.

In serious discussion threads I don't call names.

[Tennessee Gal]

31. I have just recently come to support Clinton.

I was an Edwards supporter.

[woolldog]

17. True

But a bad campaigner who has poor managerial skills will always be a bad president.

[Tennessee Gal]

19. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Something to think about.

Al Gore was not a good campaigner. But he most defintely would have been a better president than the dumbass in the White House.

Something to think about.

[Tennessee Gal]

30. I think I made a mistake there.

Al Gore was not a bad campaigner. The media sucked up to W and lied about Gore.

[woolldog]

32. Gore

was competent. He didn't run out of money. He didn't value loyalty over competence in putting together his staff. And he didn't make the kind of glaring strategical errors that this campaign has.

This isn't the first time that Clinton has run a campaign poorly. During her senate race she went through an ungodly sum of money running against a lightweight challenger.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/us/politics/21donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[printpolitico]

20. campaigner vs. policy maker

Exactly. Some of the best basketball players made the worst coaches and some of the bench warmers made the best. Just because you are a smooth talker doesn't mean you're a policy maker.

[Tennessee Gal]

21. Absolutely right!

Think about it, people.

[Tennessee Gal]

23. Right, right, right. Something to consider.

"Just because you are a smooth talker doesn't mean you're a policy maker."

It also does not mean you can convince the oppositon party in Congress to agree with you and vote your way.

It also does not mean that you can convince world leaders to go along with what you want. Smooth talk only goes so far.

It also does not mean that you have all the answers for this nation.

Maybe, just maybe, smooth talking is just a skill, a talent, that convinces people to go along with you when you need them to get elected. Maybe, just maybe, you might not be leading them to what is best for this country.

[meow mix]

24. i actually thought this was about Hillary. LOL

too funny

[Raine]

25. True but if you run a bad disorganized falling apart

campaign how can you run a country that is in the same shape.

[Tennessee Gal]

26. Who is doing that at this time?

This race is close.

[Raine]

34. I didn't name anyone just as you didn't but

it applies to any campaign that isn't getting the votes for their candidate. It can mean anyone...Edwards, Dodd, Biden, Romney, Thompson etc. etc. Running a campaign well is a begining test on organization and getting your message across. If you fail that you probably won't even get elected.

[Tennessee Gal]

41. That is true.

However, when a race is so close and one candidate seems to have gained so much ground through an overwhelmingly dynamic personality and represents a strong ability to get people to follow along perhaps through soaring rhetoric, shouldn't we all take a contemplative moment? Souldn't we consider whether that candidate is what this country really needs. These are the most troubling times of my life and I have been voting since 1972. I think that warrants more than a little serious thought.

[johnnydrama]

43. you do realize

there is one more campaign to go?

Can we really withstand another badly run campaign in the fall?

[Tennessee Gal]

47. I think that Hillary Clinton can most obviously out campaign John McCain.

[Johnny__Motown]

44. But a bad campaigner (like Hillary) always makes for a bad president, lost a 20% lead in a month

[Tennessee Gal]

46. That is obviously not true.

Do you think Al Gore would have been a worse president than the vile person in the White House right now?

[Tennessee Gal]

48. Think!

[Tennessee Gal]

49. k

[Tennessee Gal]

51. W as a campaigner was good enough to get two presidential races close enough

to steal. That is evidence that he was a good enough campaigner to convince masses of people of his competence and presidential capabilities. It did not matter that it was obvious that he was lying about what he intended to do upon gaining control of the Executive Branch. The people who voted for him simply went along without checking into anything relating to W's past.

Is the same true right now? Are voters not making decisions based upon in depth understandings?

[Avalux]

54. How the campaign is managed is very telling.

Look at what Obama has done against a formidable organization built up over years with millions of dollars and supporters at their disposal from the beginning. It's pretty amazing. If he can run the WH the same way, I'm good.

[LordJFT]

55. someone who votes to drop cluster bombs in areas with children

never a good president makes

[Scriptor Ignotus]

56. this post is sad, yet it makes me laugh

is that messed up?