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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:14 AM
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How Clinton's ceding the caucus states truly ended up as a disaster
Knocked Off Balance, Clinton Campaign Tries to Regain Its Stride
By PATRICK HEALY and KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

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The answers go to the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s current political challenge. She and her team showered so much money, attention and other resources on Iowa, New Hampshire and some of the 22-state nominating contests on Feb. 5 that they have been caught flat-footed — or worse — in the critical contests that followed, her political advisers said.
She also made a strategic decision to skip several small states holding caucuses, states where Mr. Obama scored big victories, accumulating delegates and, possibly, momentum.
Her heavy spending and relatively modest fund-raising in January compounded the problems, leaving the campaign ill-equipped to plan after Feb. 5, advisers and donors say.

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In Idaho, for example, Mr. Obama’s campaign started setting up nearly a year before the Feb. 5 caucus. By the day of the caucus, he had five offices in the state and 20 paid staff members.
Mrs. Clinton, by contrast, sent one of her supporters, Senator Maria Cantwell of neighboring Washington State, to drop by just before the caucuses.

In Minnesota, “the Clinton campaign was in triage mode,” said Lawrence Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. He said Mrs. Clinton appeared to have allocated her dwindling resources to New York and California, the biggest prizes in the Feb. 5 contests (and which she won), investing almost nothing in media advertising in Minnesota and leaving her campaign there “like a M.A.S.H. unit.”

At the same time, Mr. Jacobs said, Mr. Obama “had developed almost a new style of campaigning.”
“He merges modern campaign technology — he has the list of names, the follow-up effort, all the literature distribution — with these phenomenal rock-arena political revivals,” Mr. Jacobs said. “In a caucus state, it’s formidable.”
Mr. Obama won Minnesota by 34 percentage points.

Three months before the North Dakota caucuses on Feb. 5, the Obama campaign dispatched a staff member there to begin organizing. The campaign quickly expanded to include 11 full-time staff members, including one person solely for media outreach. And in Utah, in preparation for Feb. 5, Mr. Obama opened an office months before Mrs. Clinton did, said Rob Miller, the vice chairman of the Utah Democratic Party.
Mr. Obama won both states.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14clinton.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=print




ANALYSIS
Clinton Camp May Regret Largely Turning Its Back on Caucus States

By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 15, 2008; Page A08

Among the costliest decisions Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign has made this year was to largely cede caucus states to Barack Obama. It is one that, in retrospect, baffles Democratic strategists and, even more so, the operatives on Obama's team.

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Here is a simple way to understand the consequences of that choice. Take two states that held Super Tuesday contests on Feb. 5: big New Jersey, with 107 pledged delegates at stake, and tiny Idaho, with 18 delegates up for grabs. Clinton won New Jersey's primary and made headlines for doing so early on that night, while Obama won Idaho's caucuses long after many of those watching had gone to bed. But because of the rules of proportionality, Clinton netted just 11 more delegates than Obama from her New Jersey victory, while he gained 12 more than her by winning Idaho.

That pattern held through other states on Feb. 5 and Feb. 9, as Obama rolled up substantial margins and, as a result, harvested delegates in numbers that belied the relatively small size of some of the states. Eight states held caucuses during that period -- Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Dakota and Washington -- and together awarded 305 pledged delegates. By the Obama team's calculations, the split out of those states is about 209 for him and 96 for Clinton -- an advantage of 113 delegates.

After his big victories in Maryland, Virginia and the District on Tuesday, Obama has the overall delegate lead, including superdelegates, and a larger advantage among the pledged delegates awarded on the basis of primary and caucus results. Most of this margin comes from his performance in the caucus states.

There are two important features of the Democrats' sometimes incomprehensible system. The first is that, because of proportionality, it is difficult for any candidate in a close race to gain much of an advantage. Winning states can still mean splitting delegates almost 50-50. But the flip side is that once someone gains even a relatively small lead, it becomes more and more difficult for the other candidate to catch up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403482.html?hpid=topnews


The truly mind-blowing part - "Eight states held caucuses during that period -- Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Dakota and Washington -- and together awarded 305 pledged delegates. By the Obama team's calculations, the split out of those states is about 209 for him and 96 for Clinton -- an advantage of 113 delegates. "

According to Chuck Todd, Obama is up in pledged delgates by 130+.

Clinton would have to win the rest of the states by 25-30 points to catch Obama in pledged delegates.

What a terrible mistake it was to skip all those caucuses that they now say "don't count".
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:22 AM
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1. And yet, that's what they will do; say caucus states don't count
and enough party hacks will play along. Which is why Obama needs to surprise in at least one of the remaining big three primaries to finish her candidacy off for good.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:26 AM
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2. Guess that Obama is a better tactical strategist than Hillary is.....
She was caught with her pants down......

I'd rather have him manning my National Security. I feel he would be more prepared to anticipate the various dangers and plan for them better.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:37 AM
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3. I really do think you can tell a lot by evaluating his strategy and execution. He can see long term
and doesn't just focus on what is directly in front of him. That is a skill Presidents need to have. Those skills were evident in the reasons he gave for being against the war in 2002.

Her campaign demonstrates her failure at those skill sets, as did her IWR vote.

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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:47 AM
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4. I just couldn't understand that either
It seems that Clinton didn't lose the caucus states because of any inherent unfairness or some predilection of caucusers to be more inclined to Obama (caucuses are usually comprised of the party stalwarts--if anything, she should have had some advantage there). It was because she didn't even set up shop in those states. And she had more money.

They pay people good money to figure out these delegate games. I think their delegate strategist should be fired.

But what is even more surprising is that after Super Tuesday, when this became apparent, the Clinton camp seemed to do nothing. She didn't even try to contest the Potomac states. And then instead of rushing to Wisconsin to hold town halls all over the place for a week, she went to Texas (where I have a feeling the delegate split is going to be fairly even). It's like the Rumsfeld strategy for invading Iraq: they had no Plan B. They could not readapt.

You can't debate your way the nomination. (And you can't speechify yourself there, either.) You've got to have a strong organization on the ground and a strong strategy. Maybe they can recoup this thing, but it looks very very difficult.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:51 AM
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6. Strategically, it is just shockingly counterproductive.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:56 AM
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5. Let's not crow cuz she has finally figured out where she went wrong.
Apparently, we are starting to get deluged here in Hawaii.

4 political calls today to my land line and 2 to my cell phone of which 4 were from Obama and 2 from Hillary.

And she is activating her machine pals like Dan Inouye and her union pals.

Chelsea is here Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

I hope Obama's local roots count for something...
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:56 AM
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7. The campaign was running out of money by then
Solis Doyle did this campaign no real favors.
Have you read these stories?

Inside the Clinton shakeup
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle

Clinton Won Easily, but Bankroll Shows the Toll
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/us/politics/21donate.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203080179-pjhuz9D+Ky/EHIx2QF5PQA
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:29 AM
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8. kick
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:33 AM
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9. Reminds me of the Aesop fable, "The Tortoise and the Hare."
Barack Obama's been the tortoise, plugging away, state after state relentlessly. Great ground organization, doing all the right things.

Hillary is the hare who thought she could easily sprint to the finish line, so decided to goof off along the way. And now it appears that it's too late to win.

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