"Do You Want to Go Down in History as the One to Prevent a Black From Winning the White House?"

[NashVegas]

Isn't it time for Barack Obama to fire Jesse Jackson, Jr? This style of campaigning is pretty vile, IMO.


In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

"I told him I'd think about it," Cleaver concluded.

Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. "Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080215/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_superdelegates_6;_ylt=ApeAuR7qy3M.kGJ6rUOZk50E1vAI

[russian33]

1. you have it wrong, it's Clintons who play the race card

:)

[Little Star]

30. Obama has used the race card through reverse psychology

quite effectively! I am looking for some small attitude of the black community for the many non blacks who have helped them in their struggle. Since Obama...... I have seen none! I do not for one second think this is what MLK was all about.

[Maribelle]

I agree, this was not what MLK was all about. But it is what Obama has been all about since entering

Everyone, sadly, seems to be underestimating the powerful design behind Obama's campaign, that even perhaps John Edwards was not aware of.

Everyone kind of sat up straight when Kerry endorsed Obama, leaving Edwards out in the cold. But I believe it was Kerry's plan all along to endorse Obama, as it was Kennedy's. The governor's campaign in Massachusetts was the prototype for Obama's campaign, with all these little "black identity" tricks built into the design of the campaign along the critical chain.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. Kerry /Kennedy/Sorensen have been grooming Obama way before the DNC Convention in 04....

[GalleryGod]

69. That's it! You're on IGNORE ,you proctologist's DreamGirl!

You're not fit to lick John Kerry's combat boots!

My hero and mentor Hal Moore...yeah, he "groomed" me.

[blm]

70. You prefer Poppy Bush/Jackson Stephens' grooming of Clintons instead of Kennedy-Kerry

support of Obama?

Really? Please explain. Because Jackson Stephens bankrolling Bill's political career in Arkansas AND his primary campaign is what disgusts me and proves how dishonest and UNCREDIBLE Clintons have been as Dem leaders.

[Maribelle]

107. the Obama-prototype Patrick ran on idealistic and unrealistic promises, promised new leadership

sound familiar?

Yes, that's what he sold to the voters in Massachusetts the same thing Obama attempts to sell today. But Patrick's promises have come up empty, and he has failed to deliver. If the next governor's election were held today he would lose because of his low approval ratings of c. 47% or perhaps lower.


Obama's promises would also prove empty, just like the prototype, full of fluff and platitudes.

[blm]

113. So you predict. We already KNOW Clintons sided with the secrecy and privilege of Bush, Stephens

Dubai and Saudi Royals and we have lived through the BLOWBACK from those decisions, haven't we?


What makes you so sure that Clintons WON'T keep delivering that protection for the Bushes and the powerful elite they served in the past? Especially since Clinton has accepted MILLIONS of dollars recently from the exact same Dubai royals he protected in the past when he deep-sixed the outstanding matters in BCCI?

[emilyg]

94. How can you forget Michelle.

[jackson_dem]

99. Jackson is not the first Obama surrogate to play the "black candidate" card either

Michelle did indirectly but this Obama surrogate did so directly: Obama supporter Charles Barron, a NYC councilman, (November 2007): “Why wouldn’t black people support a black candidate who is ready to lead America?" http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups ...

[emilyg]

121. Thanks - I forgot.

[jackson_dem]

97. You're wrong. The Obamas began playing the race card in NOVEMBER

Everyone thinks race became an issue in January. In fact is was introduced into the race in November by the Obamas. Remember this was at a time when Hillary looked bulletproof in Nevada and led big in New Hampshire. Obama was in a close three way battle in Iowa (this was before Edwards faded in Iowa, only to recover late but it was not enough). He needed to build a firewall in South Carolina. The exit poll from the South Carolina primary makes it very obvious how he did it.

November 12, 2007:

With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said "black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/12/michelle-obama...
(this was at a time Obama was in the 40’s with black voters in an eight candidate field. Clearly his wife expected him to get well more than the 40’s and we now know what tactics they used to go from the 40’s to the mid to high 80’s)

Obama supporter Charles Barron, a NYC councilman, (November 2007): “Why wouldn’t black people support a black candidate who is ready to lead America?" http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...

November 30, 2007. Obama supporter Chris Rock at a Harlem event:
A few minutes later, the comedian Chris Rock picked up on that theme. “You’d be really embarrassed if he won and you wasn’t with him,” Rock said. He altered his voice to comic affect. “‘I had that white lady. What was I thinking? What was I thinking?’” http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...

[russian33]

114. i was just being a sarcastic prick

:)

[Tarc]

2. This is utterly revolting

I don't think anything more could be said about the vilest display of a race card play that I can recall in politics this side of the GOP.

If this is true, Obama needs to drop Jesse Jr. from the team. Now.

[tyne]

4. Agreed.

Totally.

[Tarc]

8. deleted (replied to wrong msg)

...

[Little Star]

25. Obama has allowed JJJ to say these race card comments..

before. Why would he suddenly stop now? Obama is responsible for what is campaign spokesperson say. Obama finds no place to low to go to win this nom. imho

[NashVegas]

28. That's Really Horrible, Then

That he's not disavowing this stuff.

[MethuenProgressive]

3. If the threats Jackson made were over the telephone, he's violated Federal Law.

Oh wait... he's an Obama. So it's OK.

[NashVegas]

12. It's More of a Vague Threat, Though, Isn't It?

Can that kind of thing be prosecuted? It's not the same as directly threatening to fund and run the candidate(s) against Cleaver.

[KittyWampus]

36. How is that a threat? LOL! What hypocrites, who also ignore this comment IF it happened as Cleaver

said:

"Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts."

[Tarc]

38. Did you miss the part where Jackson Jr. confirmed the conversation?

Or did you skip it on purpose?

[KittyWampus]

42. #1. Jackson confirmed the conversation, not the quote #2. YOU ignore my highlighted quote

#3. if that was the exact quote, then Jackson is saying the same thing as Lewis, who defected out of the Clinton camp.

Why should superdelegates who live in a heavily black district who VOTED for Obama, stick with Clinton?

[Tarc]

46. Confirming the conversation confirms what is quoted as well, son

Your desperation to deflect a very negative race card play by Team Obama is certainly expected, but no one is going to buy it. You sound like Bush trying to word-parse definitinos of "torture"

Jackson Jr. said what what reported to Clyburn, and if Obama does not drop Jr. now, ten he has no shame at all.

[jackson_dem]

100. For the same reason superdelegates in white districts who voted for Clintons should stick with Obama

[dmallind]

5. It s either OK to strongarm superdelegates or it isn't

And this must apply to both camapigns. Anything else is dishonesty. I am not a hypocrite - I think any form of legal persuasion is OK for both camps. If Hillary says vote for me or face the wrath of the Clinton machine, then that's legit. If Obama says vote for me or face the wrath of the black activists then that's legit. I could accept (not agree with but accept and see the logic of) someone who says NEITHER is legit, and that superdelegates should receive only the basic info and be left to themselves. However anyone who comments that this is horrible better be willing to say that HRC's strongarming is also horrible, and anyone who defends this must be willing to equally defend Clinton's heavy pressure and stick approach to superdelegates too.

[Barack_America]

15. Exactly. I'd love to hear the strong-arm tactics that the Clintons use.

I highly doubt they keep their ducks in a row with sugar and spice.

[boston bean]

19. the clintons the clintons, the clintons, but but but, hillary, bill, hillary, bill

Never our Obama!

Why don't you smack this type of behavior down instead of perpetuating it as part of politics.

I mean isn't Obama for changing this type of crap?

[Little Star]

33. How about not trying to steal a thread and tell us all how this

sort of crap is ok?

[Barack_America]

50. Sorry. I forgot that you all are only interested in one-sided arguments.

My bad.

[Tarc]

53. No, the problem is with your half-witted accusations

This is about a proven and documented case regarding the Obama camp. If you have something similar, and sourced, regarding the Clinton camp, then by all means bring it to the table.

But if all you're going to do is regurgitate some sort of "BUT BUT BUT I bet the Clintons do it too!!! "line of speculative baloney, then you will be more than likely to either be told to stick a fucking cork in it, or just ignored.

[jackson_dem]

101. Are they saying "You're white, your district is white, vote for the white candidate"?

[JAbuchan08]

119. for all intents and purposes

"don't vote for the black man - it's too risky."

[Laurab]

16. If I could recommend this post, I would. It is hypocritical.

It's been made fairly public that the Clinton campaign does intend to strongarm superdelegates. I don't think the Obama campaign should sit idly while they do, and you are quite right - it's hypocritical. I hope it isn't left up to the superdelegates, and if it is, if they don't go along with the voters, it's going to be a mess.

[joeybee12]

20. Um, was Chelsea strong-arming the superdelegates?

No, she was making phone calls, trying to ease their concerns. But in Obama world, I guess that's the same thing...I guess making up things is appropriate if it's in defense of your savior.

[dmallind]

32. I made a generic point, nothing about Chelsea

I have seen much handwringing over Clinton's high pressure tactics with superdelegates from the Obama camp. My whole point is that handwringing or acceptance should be equally applied.

[joeybee12]

35. Well, I haven't heard about any high-pressure tactics from the Clintons...

...not saying they might not have happened. But it seems to me like Obama supporters seem to think he and his campaign is above these typical political manuevers...that's what Jackson is doing...I don't particularly like it, but to think it's not happening is naive of them.

[Cameron27]

6. What a pig,

"So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added."

Using race AND extortion to build support for Obama.

[LatinManNH]

75. Tom Delay would be proud.

N/T.

[SIMPLYB1980]

7. Obama should have fired him long ago.

[Maribelle]

40. But, isn't Jackson doing exactly what Obama wants? Isn't this on their 'critical path"?

My firm belief is that this was totally in the cards all along.

[Little Star]

47. No bout, adout it!! It is revolting!!!!! I feel like it's become

us against them. I have never felt this way in my life before. This black man must be president right now crap is about all I can take!

[Maribelle]

51. What on earth are they thinking? Do they not even realize this could cause a backlash?

Something is terribly wrong with this Obama thing.

[jackson_dem]

102. Why would he? Jackson Jr. is doing his racist dirty work while Obama can claim to "transcend" race

Obama's supporters chant "race doesn't matter" while Obama's cronies are playing the race card behind the scenes. Obama has perfect plausible deniability.

[Tarc]

9. that yahoo link is broken, try this one

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080215/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_superdelegates_11


The forum doesn't like all the funky punctuation that yahoo uses sometimes.

[NashVegas]

14. Thanks

..

[loyalsister]

10. Who's campaigning here?

Cleaver has endorsed Clinton. He's the one kicking up this dust.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. This Is Very Disturbing

~

[boston bean]

13. this is disgusting. I hope BO disavows himself of this type of politics. nt

[Bullet1987]

17. This is coming from Cleaver who is a Clinton supporter? And people BELIEVE it!!

[NashVegas]

21. Jackson Confirmed the Conversation

What's not to believe?

[goldcanyonaz]

18. I doubt we will hear anything on the MSM about this either. I'm sickened by this rhetoric.

[Little Star]

39. The MSM media is all about making sure we elect a

black man. They are not about electing the best person for the job of President of the United States of America. They are down the looking glass, all of them.

[NashVegas]

43. I Don't Believe That

I think they just don't want the Clintons. I think if their Boards of Directors wanted the MSM to be impartial, we'd see impartial reporting.

[jackson_dem]

103. It isn't about race. It's about the msm wanting to put forward the weakest Democratic candidate

Meanwhile they selected the strongest rethug candidate. The msm love affair with McCain did end for much of 2007 but that was when Giuliani was running strong. He was the msm choice and was the strongest candidate for the general the rethugs had. As soon as Giuliani tanked the msm went to plan B, McCain. Compare their coverage of McCain over the past three months to that of Romney.

[Common Sense Party]

22. His daddy taught him well.

It's always about race, even when it isn't.

[NashVegas]

23. I Have a Hard Time Imagining Jackson Sr. Pull This Type of Stunt

Frankly.

[Common Sense Party]

95. I don't.

At all.

[theboss]

24. This Super-delegate issue creates this kind of Chicago-backroom nastiness

That's a pretty awful thing to say, but it's probably effective at this point.

[BenDavid]

26. Some Democrats sound like Republicans

Obama supporters are making a serious mistake talking about the Clintons the way Republicans talk about them. The last time Democrats talked about the Clintons that way was 1994.

Democrats in Congress were convinced by the news media that the Clintons were poison. The Democrats fell for it and distanced themselves. We all know what happened then. The Democrats lost Congress to the Republicans for the next 12 years.

If Obama supporters keep this up he may win the primary, but he's not going to win the general election. When Democrats talk like Republicans, Republicans win.

Bill Clinton used the the fairytale metaphor in his 92 election race to talk about politicians who make wild promises in order to get elected..Point against whoever on the Obama team thought this was racist...

So ...the great civil war is about to get a lot worse. When the right accused Gore of claiming he'd invented the Internet,the Left rolled their eyes and said, "How can people be so stupid?Why can't people with a brain just look at the damn facts?" But today, they believe every Clinton lie that same whore media feeds them.

[ProgressIn2008]

58. Well put -- why are Dems talking about the Clintons the way Republicans do?

It's a big turn-off. If the Obama movement is so spectacular, why do they need to tear down the Clintons to win? Shouldn't they be carried to the White House on the shoulders of angels? It seems unnecessary to slash and burn their way to the top, echoing the RW talking points. So much for a new style of politics.

[Maribelle]

27. My personal opinion on all of this points to the reasons Hillary won in Massachusetts.

Massachusetts' voters saw these very same tricks used against them by Axelrod in the last governor's race there, where Obama, Kennedy, and Kerry used their strong arms.

[Little Star]

49. Got that right! From a Mass Dem.

[blm]

72. BALONEY - Hillary was up by 40% at one point. Kennedy-Kerry CLOSED THAT GAP

and WON delegates for Obama he wouldn't have gotten.

Nice spin you all try - but the FACT remains that Clinton's numbers DROPPED dramatically. HER spokesperson, Bill Clinton, has been LOSING votes for Hillary as Kerry and Kennedy have been helping Obama GAIN NATIONALLY as well as in Mass.

Ever try truth serum before you post?

[boston bean]

74. give it a break, he didn't win massachusetts he was never going to win MA

he got his butt whooped in MA and in turn so did Kerry and Kennedy and Patrick.

[blm]

77. Not my point is it? Kerry-Kennedy were NATIONAL endorsers not just Mass as Hillary claims.

And The MATH shows Obama closed a considerable gap in Mass that Hillary had been up 40% at one point. She was ALWAYS going to win Mass but she was expected to win by a HUGE percentage.

Do the math - Obama got delegates he wouldn't have had in Mass. Hillary lost delegates she EXPECTED.

Plus, Obama got the NATIONAL surge he needed with the Kennedy-Kerry backing. Some of you seem to think their network is only in Mass, but Kerry kept a national network in place since 2004 and he is using it for Obama and THAT is why Kerry is way more relevant than Hillcamp andmedia acknowledges and WHY Bill worked his tail off to persuade Kerry.

[Maribelle]

96. Wrong. Clinton was at 47% in Massachusetts before the Kennedy endorsement and won by 58%

Obama supporters get their facts wrong more than right.

[blm]

104. I said she was up at one point by almost 40%. I didn't say right before Kennedy endorsed

though it was nowhere close to being just 47% - you must have seen an outlier to reference that number, and I also stressed that Kerry and Kennedy's endorsements helped NATIONALLY and that is indisputable.

And YOU have no record of being factual in our exchanges. You rarely reply when you are proven over and over again to be wrong. Why you even keep trying is a joke - must be ego.

[jackson_dem]

105. Obama has closed the gap everywhere but why?

The bulk of Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, and Richardson supporters went over to Obama. Wisconsin is very illustrative. Hillary hasn't lost any ground there. She was always polling in the 40's. What has happened is the supporters of the other candidates went to Obama as their candidates exited.

[blm]

112. That happens all the time, but when Kerry and Kennedy endorsed it became apparent

soon after that it had an impact NATIONALLY, or else Edwards would still be in the running today.

It's psychological impact that says Obama CAN handle national issues of security, too. Having known leaders on military issues support a candidate with no military experience also helped turn it around for Clinton in 92, if you care about accuracy.

[bunnies]

29. This is even worse than Bill Clintons bullying of Richardson.

Shameful.

[William769]

31. what no one will admit to

Is right there in black & white. :eyes:

[mtnsnake]

37. If it was a Clinton who said something like that, it would be front page headlines for a week.

[KittyWampus]

45. Newsflash- Clinton has been saying that VOTERS don't matter cause her superdelegates are what count

Guess what?

SOME of those superdelegates are looking at how many of the voters in their respective districts support Obama and are thinking twice.

And if it's black voters, in black districts talking to a black superdelegate about a black candidate running for POTUS too fucking bad for the Clintons.

One can only hope the Clintons' pathetic gambit of trying to steal the nomination by strongarming super delegates fails.

[Tarc]

48. That would be a lie, she has never said voters don't matter

Quit embarrassing yourself with this pathetic and childish deflection. This is about Team obama and race-baiting, not about imagined Hillary grudges. Grow up.

[William769]

52. Don't fret just look at the messenger is.

Has a big problem with honesty.

[mtnsnake]

61. Don't forget. Lies and pipe dreams are what ObamaNation is all about

[jackson_dem]

106. Yup.

Imagine Eliot Spitzer saying: "You're white, your district is white and voted for Hillary. Vote for the white candidate, Hillary or face serious consequences."

[Indenturedebtor]

34. Yeah that's non too pretty

At the same time I agree with half of what he said - if a superdelegates district chose a candidate that superdelegate should align with their district. The other half I'm non too comfortable with, however it may end up being an issue for said superdelegate in their next election cycle.

Strongarming it is not however. Strongarming would involve a threat of negative consequences arising from the person issuing the warning. This seems somewhat like warning a candidate that not voting on a certain issue will create dischord in that politicians' district.

[rock]

41. Can't we all just get along

(Ducks)

[OHdem10]

44. Reverse Racism Ploy has been the trademark of Media

and Obama Supporter.

Remember how the Media accused Edwards of being a White Man
standing in the way of a Black Man.

anyone who questioned Obama---Racist.

[Little Star]

56. Michelle Obama put out the code worded call right before SC.

Then there were Obama's own code call regarding pookie and Ray,Ray! Who really are the racists????????

Why do they hate white and latino america?

Yes, I would like to see a woman president white/black/latino, etc. before I die.

More than that I want a president that can clean up this mess that Bush will leave us with and that person is not Obama right now.

Maybe later but there is no time to waste while he gets up to snuff.

Right now he is not even qualified to be VP, never mind President of this United States of America.

That is my honest opinion and the opinion of many many more just like me.

Want to see a divided party? Nominate Obama!

[ellacott]

62. Pookie and Ray Ray are coded racist words?

What does that mean?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

73. You're saying Barack and Michelle Obama are racists?

That's a new one.

[calmblueocean]

55. Jesse Jackson Jr. is toxic, and his role in the campaign should be minimized

I've seen him playing the race card this way on TV interviews as well. If Obama is smart, he'll give JJ Jr. something else to do.

[Little Star]

57. That whole campaign should stop this reverse racism tactic!

[NashVegas]

59. I Agree - I Think He Needs to Be Canned

For pulling some of the things he has.

[boston bean]

60. And a public apology and Obama being questioned by the media about it. nt

[NorthernSpy]

66. this is about the mutiny against the old guard in Black America...

So why would the MSM care?

[boston bean]

71. that is a ridiculous argument. no matter how you spin it, it is reverse racism. nt

[NorthernSpy]

78. voting for Obama is "reverse racism"?

:dunce:

[boston bean]

83. obviously the dunce cap fits you better. nt

[NorthernSpy]

84. another sparkling rebuttal from MassDemm...

:boring:

[boston bean]

86. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[NorthernSpy]

63. There is a mutiny underway in Black America.

It's not just Jesse Jackson Jr. All the old guard are being told the score -- quietly, but in no uncertain terms.


You can get on your high-horse about it, Crisco, but I wouldn't. Your outrage would only reinforce the reason for the mutiny: the fact that while the relationship between the old guard and the Democratic Party as personified in the Clintons may have resulted in cushy appointments to this or that position for the members of the old guard, it was increasingly irrelevant -- or detrimental -- to the interests of Black America as a whole.

The old guard have just experienced a severe crisis of legitimacy when they failed to deliver the black vote for Hillary, as blacks have bolted the Clinton plantation in droves and headed for Barack Obama -- a black leader who arose from outside the old guard.


That's what this is about. Jesse Jackson Jr. is reminding these black leaders that their days in power are numbered if they try to overrule their millions of consituents.

[NashVegas]

68. The Old Guard Is Obama's #1 Backer

Kennedy. Kerry. Daschle. If you look up donors, Obama is raking in money from the same corporate masters as Hillary is.

And Jesse Jackson Jr. still needs to be canned for pulling this.

[NorthernSpy]

76. Holy Christ on Crutch! Not WHITE AMERICA'S Old Guard, dammit!

Kennedy. Kerry. Daschle. If you look up donors, Obama is raking in money from the same corporate masters as Hillary is.

I was telling you about a mutiny in BLACK AMERICA! I found this out by delving in the Black-o-Sphere. I'm talking about Black America's Old Guard.


Your response is a picture-perfect illustration of why your outrage should be ignored.

You don't even have a ghost of a clue as to what Jackson is really talking about, because you haven't bothered to find out. Your sole interest here is in promoting the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and slapping down anyone who would get in the way of that. To that end, you have attempted to interject yourself into a conversation that is underway in a community not your own. Do you ever listen first?

[NashVegas]

80. Ah, There We Are

The good old double standard when one person's outrage should be ignored, and another's should be harkened to.

Mutiny or no mutiny, Jackson's methods in this case are reprehensible and they should be disavowed, he should be asked to step down.

[NorthernSpy]

82. IF you don't care about what you claim outrages you, why should I?

The good old double standard when one person's outrage should be ignored, and another's should be harkened to.

It's a reasonable double standard. We SHOULD ignore the outrage of those who plainly don't know what they're talking about, and who evidently don't care enough to inform themselves even a little. If you don't care about what you claim outrages you, why should I?

Mutiny or no mutiny, Jackson's methods in this case are reprehensible and they should be disavowed, he should be asked to step down.

It's really none of your business.

[NashVegas]

87. It's Every Bit My Business and That of EVERY Voter

When one candidate gets accused and trashed for doing what the campaign doing the accusing is, itself, using as a tactic. Even more so when one calls it valid and says it's a *private* matter.

[NorthernSpy]

117. if it's "your business", why did I have to explain it to you?

You didn't know the context, because you aren't familiar with the conversation currently going on in the black community.


In the argument over Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, the black community is discussing its future -- which path it will take. If you didn't care enough to listen, why should your opinion count for anything in that debate?

[blm]

88. I'll take backing of Obama by Kennedy-Kerry over grooming of Clintons by Bush-Jackson Stephens

Or have you forgotten WHO bankrolled Clinton's political career in Arkansas and underwrote his PRIMARY campaign for president?

[Name removed]

79. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NorthernSpy]

81. Oh, for fux sake, WHY alert on it? White-o-Sphere reality isn't the only reality...

I didn't break any goddamn rules, and I gave you an important angle that's mostly been missing from the conversation. Delete it, and you leave only the OP and her tendentious drivel about an outtaline black man his Hillary-harming reverse racism.


But I suppose that's fine by you.

:eyes:

[ProgressIn2008]

89. "The Clinton plantation"?? WTH does that even mean?

[jackson_dem]

108. Whites have voted for Hillary in almost every state

Should there be a mutiny in "White America" against Obama supporters in those states?

[NorthernSpy]

116. Learn to read, dammit! The mutiny is taking place INSIDE the black community...

... against the black community's old guard leadership.

None of this involves white America, so pull in your horns.

[DiamondJay]

127. oh please Jesse jackson is a racist and someone we dont' need in America

not to mention, how come hillary surrogates who make comments have to leave, but Jesse Jackass Jr gets a free pass for his racism? this proves what the Obama candidacy is about:getting a black man into the white house. not about EVERYONE in America, just for a bunch of racial radicals

[Blue_In_AK]

64. That's so reminiscent of what Lawrence O'Donnell

said in that vile piece he wrote urging Edwards to get out of the race. Personally, I believe, contrary to a lot of people, that it HAS been Obama's backers (not necessarily he himself) who have played the race card, and very, very skillfully.

This comment is more blatant than most have been, though.

[rox63]

65. What, you think Clinton and her surrogates aren't working the super delegates just as hard?

I'm sure they are. And they've got the Big Dawg putting the pressure on these folks. Talk about an irresistable force.

[Tarc]

67. Disingenuous and fallacious

As I just told an unrepentant O-Bot a few posts above, this is about a proven and documented case regarding the Obama camp. If you have something similar, and sourced, regarding the Clinton camp, then by all means bring it to the table.

Regurgitating some sort of "BUT BUT BUT I bet the Clintons do it too!!! " line of speculative baloney is not going to get you very far.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

85. how sleezy is that!

[Umbram]

90. And the precious cycle of fake rage

is born anew, only to continue its path to adulthood by going to the next thread in order to justify one's preferred candidate's similarly disgusting behavior using the same fallacious reasoning condemned moments only moments before.

Such is the cycle of life, death, and rebirth for the hypocritical GN:P'er.

[NashVegas]

91. I Take It That Means You Don't Think Jackson Should Be Repudiated for Racism

thanks for piping in.

[Umbram]

92. Ahh, yes, the 'why do you hate America?' reply! Well played! nt.

[George_Bonanza]

93. Somebody needs to silence him

Before he damages Obama's campaign further.

[jackson_dem]

110. "Damages the campaign". He doesn't and that is why he won't be forced to step down

He is doing Obama's dirty work.

[jackson_dem]

98. So now St. Obama wants to play the race card and be the "black candidate"

What a hypocrite running a racist campaign. Jackson is his national co-chair, not some random Obamite.

[Maribelle]

109. It's the Obama game plan...

it's a nasty game, which hopefully will fail

[jackson_dem]

111. And has been since November of 2007

Long before Clinton ever said "fairy tale" in reference to St. Obama's record on Iraq.

[11 Bravo]

115. Which Cleaver said this - Ward, June, Wally, or the Beave?

[demokatgurrl]

118. Here's more

the Obama campaign has gone beyond "negative ads"- or at least its surrogates have. Don't take my word for it- go to NPR.ORG and look for an interview from today with an African American congressman. He said that just about every member of the Black Caucus has been threatened. Not physically, but with loss of their office, with a promise to run someone against them, if they don't vote for Obama. (As you know, they are superdelegates). He also mentioned flyers being sent out.

[sueragingroz]

126. that's fabulous talk from the UNITER

he's sounding more and more like the DECIDER every single day.

why won't anyone wake up and smell the hypocracy of HOPE?

[LisaL]

120. So I guess being the one preventing a woman from winning

a White House is no biggie, as opposed to...
:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[shadowrider]

129. You are exactly correct

[NorthernSpy]

134. white women are the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action...

Take it up with Hill.

[AJH032]

123. so he should vote based on race?

how stupid

[NorthernSpy]

135. the point was that they should vote based on what their constituents want...

Get it?

[sofa king]

124. God damn, it's great to have this sort of ethical dilemma!

These are the sorts of problems an entire subset of this nation has wished it had for two hundred twenty years.

Eyes on the prize, my friends. Deal with the problems we face squarely, because we, the people are finally privileged to be the ones to deal with them!

AT LAST! Woo, hoo!

[sueragingroz]

125. OMFG... /nt

[LulaMay]

128. Because that's more important than a woman becoming president, right?

As if we mean nothing.

[THUNDER HANDS]

130. yeah, basically

I think it is more important for the country to have it's first black president rather than the country to have it's first First Lady become president.

[Cameron27]

131. I don't,

I think it's more important to have the first woman president of the country, but that's not why I'm supporting HRC.

[Little Star]

136. What you said!

[NorthernSpy]

132. Given that it's socially okay to celebrate the prospect of the first woman president...

... whereas even the liberals at DU start shrieking about "reverse racism" if anyone timidly admits to hoping that Obama will become the first black president, it's clear to me that electing a black president will indeed mean more.

[Riley133]

133. History vs issues - 'twill be an interesting November. nt