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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:04 AM
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Putin further rips Hillary, says that she is guided by EMOTIONS. (Updated)
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:38 AM by Kristi1696
At one point, the focus of the news conference shifted to the U.S. presidential election when a Russian reporter asked Putin to respond to a remark by Hillary Clinton questioning whether the Russian leader, as a former KGB officer, has a soul.

"The minimum a statesperson should have is a head," he said. His remark was met with laughter. "To build on interstate relations it is necessary to be guided by the fundamental interest of your own country, not by emotions. "


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/14/putin.conference/


And, for the record, here is Hillary's initial comment:

"This is the president that looked in the soul of Putin, and I could have told him, he was a KGB agent," Clinton said. "By definition he doesn't have a soul. I mean, this is a waste of time, right? This is nonsense, but this is the world we're living in right now."


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4095212


I highly doubt that it is a good idea to be insulting superpowers before you even take office. There are just some things that you should never say publicly. She's always looking for a fight, I guess. :eyes:

ETA:

Putin is an ass, and likely does not have a soul. This is true. But this is never something you announce publicly. Hillary hurled a personal insult at Putin, a political gaffe. Putin countered and announces to the world that Hillary is not to be taken seriously as a foreign leader because she makes comments based on emotion, rather than policy.

He slammed Hillary for the whole world to hear, and she provoked it.

Do you now understand why she should not have insulted him personally? Jesus people, wars have been started for less than this. You keep your personal feelings to yourself, grit your teeth and shake the man's hand for the good of your country. You don't insult power. It's called diplomacy, and it's not about making better friends with those you already like.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:06 AM
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1. Wow, now you're in love with Putin. Sick.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:08 AM
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2. Bleh both comments disgust me
I thought I heard McCain saying that awhile back? Was it really HRC that said that? Talk about blunder...

But bleh I hope they both go away. No surprises there from Putin. He's possibly one of the worlds' biggest assbags. Russia's answer to Bush but with a brain.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:10 AM
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5. Putin is going away, but his hand-picked successor is not.
Putin will still be running Russia and it was beyond stupid to throw a petty, worthless, personal insult at him.

That is not how you conduct effective foreign relations. Another perfect example of her divisiveness.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:31 PM
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102. Tells me that when Hill is president she won't be looking into leader's souls to make
policy decisions!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:08 AM
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3. Nope. Just don't like the idea of provoking our enemies.
You know the saying about how close you should keep them.

It's fine to insult their policies, but to blurt out a personal insult to the leader of a superpower? Bad, bad idea unless you're looking for a fight.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:21 AM
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23. Agreed. It reminds me of the "bring it on" remark by the chimpster.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:10 PM
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73. oh yeah--fits right on up threre. NOT---but you knew that didn't you!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:11 AM
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6. please read
The articles points to the retardation of Putin.
Doesnt matter anyway, i dont think hes a superdelegate.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 PM
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82. chuckle
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:24 AM
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27. Lame. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:08 AM
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4. Putin's a bad guy -- you know that, right?
And, she was making fun of Bush's comment on Putin.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:11 AM
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9. If she was making fun of Bush, she did it in a clumsy and destructive way
Like it or not, we're going to have to co-exist and even work with Russia.

Saying its' leader has no soul is not the way to start out diplomacy.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:15 AM
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13. So poke the bad, POWERFUL guy with a stick?
If that's how she's going to run her foreign relations, then I'm moving to Canada before she starts so many useless wars that we all get drafted.

Yes, he's bad, but you cannot deny his power and influence. With those who have power and influence, you grit your teeth, shake their hands and keep your personal feelings to yourself. That is called diplomacy.

It doesn't matter how you feel about him, it only matters how he can affect the people you represent. And if you don't think that Putin has enough power to significantly affect this country, you need to do some more reading.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:11 AM
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7. I'll defend Putin when I don't have a soul.
He's an evil MF'er. But he does have charisma.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:27 AM
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31. return fire
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 AM by mkultra
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:11 AM
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8. And I was so totally, like, hoping he would take her to the prom!
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick people! Do you have ANY idea how stupid this makes you look?

No. I didn't think so.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:12 AM
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10. Maybe the Obama supporters think he is a Super Delegate...
:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
76. maybe Obama threw his some $$. He is4:1 when it comes to sending cash to delegates.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #76
94. Are you talking about Darrell Jackson and the $200,000 he got for his endorsement?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:37 PM
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114. i do not recall the name--saw the post last night. Obama is 4:1 ahead in giving $$ to deles.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM
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20. So you think that is a good idea to throw personal insults at foreign leaders.
Yeah, that's going to help our image around the world...

I find it interesting that so many around here have no idea how delicately foreign relations must be handled. One slip of the tongue, such as this, can undo decades of diplomacy.

But neverthemind, Hillary should feel free to insult everyone she doesn't like.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
78. Do you thinks it is a good idea for a foreign leader to make sexist comments about our presidental
candidates?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #78
85. Would he have made that comment...
...if she hadn't personally insulted him first?

No. That's why it was ill-advised to hit below the belt first.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:25 PM
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91. I can't read his mind and either can you. You are speculating to make a point.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
108. I'd hold back on saying other DUers look stupid if I were you
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #108
149. No Fucking Shit
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:13 AM
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11. McCain can't wait to use this against her
"How can she say she will have a better diplomacy when she's saying world leaders have no soul" Ouch.

Can you say President McCain?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM
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19. McCain said we would be in Iraq for the next 100 years...
fwiw....


* has said much worse things- Putin has been his best pal despite Putin's anti-Democratic ways...
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #11
30. You think McCain's gonna run
on Putin's endorsement?

I hope he does, but even McCain's not that dumb.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:14 AM
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12.  Putin bashing hillary just doesn't do it for me.
Her statement was fairly bushlike though. I am not surprised they asked him about it,
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:16 AM
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14. Good grief! Sounds as if we are going
to slap Hillary away from the table for farting.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:16 AM
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15. She's ready to offend before Day 1
"By definition he doesn't have a soul."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:18 AM
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16. you sorely need to step away from your computer and go do some meditating or get some air
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:20 AM
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22. self-delete.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:45 AM by Kristi1696
self-delete.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:18 AM
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17. Divisive to the party, divisive to the nation, divisive to the world
How could we go wrong?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
144. Are You Actually This Idiotic Or Do You Just Like To Say Idiotic Things?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. You are right -- she isn't divisive, she is a uniter
:rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #146
147. Thanks For Answering The Question. I Was Hoping It Would Be The Latter, But Oh Well.
:hi:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM
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18. Obamanaics pander to Czar Vlad now, just because Clinton criticizes him?
The OP is, unsurprisingly, pretty fucking ridiculous here. There is nothing at all good or noble about Putin, and anyone who calls him out for what he true colors really are should be commended.
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weezy2736 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:30 AM
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33. Not so much that, I think they just question if America wants a leader who calls leaders
"soulless." That's a step above Axis of Evil, really, going into a place that I don't want to go. Yes, Putin is bad, but I learned a long time ago not to call my enemies name. It seems unnecessarily provocative, especially to the country with as many nuclear weapons as Russia has.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:46 AM
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46. Thank you for understanding.
This is not about glorifying Putin's remarks.

It's about Hillary foolishly setting herself up for smackdown by one of the world's most powerful men.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:19 AM
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21. As ususal, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't
If she shows emotion, she's labile/unstable. If she doesn't, she's a cold heartless witch (with capital B). Our relationship with Putin has deteriorated such that I wouldn't believe him if he told me today is Friday anyways. Advice from him is like a gift horse from a Greek.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:23 AM
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24. "By definition he doesn't have a soul."
Help me out here, do Presidents talk like that?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:23 AM
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26. A foreign leader hurling a personal insult at another foreign leader is always "damned if you do"
Unless of course, you're trying to put a screeching halt on all diplomacy or start a war.

Insulting policies is fair game. But throwing out personal insults is just plain stupid.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:34 AM
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38. Careful, your hypocrisy is showing
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. Lol. When have I publicly insulted a foreign leader? Do tell. n/t
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:42 AM
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43. Duh, its not about YOU specifically, brainiac
Obama was pretty reckless with his mouth when he said he's bomb Pakistan without their consent or advisement in an attemmt to nab Osama.

Really no different than what you're having a childish hissy-fit over here. One (your candidate) can shoot his mouth off with impunity regarding foreign powers, while the other (your candidate's opponent) cannot.

Hypocrisy defined.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:44 AM
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45. Nope. That was a critique of policy, which is a HUGE difference.
Policy is fair game. Personal insults are not.

Hillary could have elaborated on the wrong that Putin had done to his country, but to call the man, personally, "soulless" was over the line and foolish.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:47 AM
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47. It is the same thing, even if you are unable to comprehend it
The thought of an Obama administration supported by this kind of juvenile naivety is getting to be a bit disturbing.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:49 AM
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50. Sorry, but it's not. I'm sorry that you can't understand that.
A policy attack is simply not the same as a personal attack.

There's really no disputing it. And you know it. We've been over this countless times in this election alone.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
62. It wasn't a policy attack
Keep swinging and missing, kid
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #62
99. It was more of a dig against Bush if you look at it. --but OP has made it as a personal attack. geec
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #99
115. Questioning whether or not one has a soul is about as personal as you can get. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #115
126. well, gee maybe she shoulda stuck with heart?--No, gues not -since it was Bush she was attacking!-
and his silly comment!!

I will speculate that got lots of laughs around the world!-
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:41 PM
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120. Indeed, this is the track record of this OP across the board, unfortunately
The context of the report was completely ignored, in which Clinton was asked to respond to Bush's insipid "I looked into his soul" from a ways back. Eve McCain can be right once in awhile, and his "I looked into his eyes and saw three letters: a K, a G and a B" was spot-on and pretty funny.

Clinton's comment was no different than that, and no worse. And what some tend to forget is that by the time the next prsident is in office here, Putin will be out the door anyways, so this is truly much ado about nothing, and the OP should be and has been soundly rebuked for this idiotic attempt to turn this into a partisan attack on Clinton.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:23 AM
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25. Hillary's comment about Putin was ill advised, but Putin is Bush on steroids, and then some.
Putin was and is KGB. He kills without mercy journalists, business people, and people who speak out against him. About this, Hillary is correct. He doesn't have a soul.

Using Putin's comments about Hillary on this board for any purpose is of dubious advisability.

In short, fuck that outrageous little prick of a soulless dictator, and let's not speak of him again in this nomination process, as it demeans the dialog, and that's saying something.

I think Obama would advise us to run, not walk, away from discussing Putin's comments about Hillary. What good can come for Obama by spotlighting this incident? None that I can determine. We have an endless pile of really good things to attack the Clintonistas. This ain't one of them, and I say that with no disrespect to the author of the thread, who seems to be a good person.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #25
41. You are right, TexasObserver
This nothing to crow over.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #25
44. I think it highlights a lack of diplomatic savvy on her part.
Why the hell would you poke your enemies with a stick?

I'm not glorifying Putin's comment. I'm pointing out that Hillary set herself up for a smackdown by one of the most powerful men on the planet. That's not an intelligent thing to do.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:55 AM
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53. Yes, it was ill advised on Hillary's part. She was trying to sound tough.
I don't disagree with your assessment in that regard. It's not an argument I would make, however, because it has no upside for Obama. She's so vulnerable on so many issues, and they're better issues for our lines of attack, IMHO.

I understand your concerns, and it is a valid criticism of Hillary. She's a big talker, and likes to act tough, not unlike that little weasel in the White House now.

I'm not interested in derailing your thread, and I know you have O's best interests at heart. I gave my thoughts, and no since belaboring them. You do a lot of good here, so that shouldn't pass without my acknowledging it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. For me, this is one of those issues where I posted not as an Obama supporter...
...But as a citizen who is increasingly concerned about the possibility of this person being our "leader" (despite who her competition is).

I would figure that "don't personally insult other leaders" would be a part of diplomacy 101. You would figure that she picked up at least that in her "8 years of experience" in the WH as first lady.

I think that this was one of those rare incidents where her personal feelings really shone through. And the result was not good.

But don't worry, my other 2 posts of the day will be fluffy "Yea Obama!" pieces ;)

I just couldn't let this gaffe go.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. You're right, of course, about the inadvisability of her boorish manner.
Like she says, (her) talk is cheap!

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #25
136. I liked that remark
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:57 PM by OzarkDem
it was spot on. No pimping for the KGB for Hillary.

If a man had said it....
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:24 AM
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28. Putin love
how quaint
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #28
48. Sorry, you'll not find love for that man in me.
But I would never personally insult him and set myself to be smack-downed for the entire world to see.

I'm smarter than that and I thought she was too.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:58 AM
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56. I think this is being overblown, and that it's unnecessary to draw the least bit of attention to it.
Putin will do what's in his interest, regardless. The United State will do what is in our own interest. The mutual interest, which will not change, is normalization of relations. That base relationship will not be significantly affected by words back and forth across borders between these two. There's too much at stake in maintaining that stance, for both nations.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #48
68. but I see a lot of Hillary hate in your posts. Try posting something positive about your canditate
instead of conjured up hate!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:11 PM
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74. Hillary could be our President.
And she made a serious diplomatic error here.

Some things go beyond my support for Obama over Hillary.

Even if I were a Hillary supporter, this incident would have me disappointed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. I doubt it. Your too freq posts tell me otherwise.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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29. Good!
Insults from Putin can only help her.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:30 AM
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34. Uh huh.
Keep telling yourself that.

People have had enough of so-called leaders who only serve to alienate us from the rest of the world. Time to repair our global image. This doesn't help Hillary make the case that she's the one to do it.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:29 PM
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98. LOL
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:28 AM
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32. Ex KGB, Old-school soviet ideas. Misogynist.
This is not surprising.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:31 AM
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35. no doubt about it...
:(
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. Dude, but he's like sooo right!
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:33 AM by LostinVA
Hope and Change will bring him around.
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crawfish Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:33 AM
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36. I'd have to agree with Clinton on this one
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:37 AM
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40. Putin?
Is this the same Putin who was vacationing on the Black Sea and didn't cut it short when some of his countrymen were trapped in a submarine? The same one who was too proud to call for help until it was too late and they all drowned? Same guy???

Hillary isn't perfect but it will be a cold day in Hell when I respect anything Putin has to say.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:39 AM
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42. He's evil. But you don't personally insult those with power...n/t
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #42
52. No matter what Hillary says or does you folks will always be against her.
If she wanted to make nice with Putin, you would be saying she is a weakling, but if it were Obama you would say he is a uniter. If Obama had made these same remarks, you would be saying, "he is a true leader and unafraid of the Putin." Nothing Hillary does will ever satisfy you folks. Even if she dropped out of the race now you would be saying that she destroyed the Democratic party and left a mess for Obama, ensuring that his failures would be attributed to the Clintons.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:00 PM
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58. Republican presidents and congress critters do it all the time - and people love it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #58
69. To put it bluntly...they don't have nukes.
They don't have nuclear materials that we have been trying desperately to keep out of the hands of more dangerous nations.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:33 PM
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105. oh yeah--that comment will lead them to nuke us!!--jumping the shark much?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:37 PM
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113. Don't overdramatize what I said.
They will not nuke us. But will they (and have they) sold nuclear materials to our enemies? Yes. Have we been trying desperately to stop this with diplomacy? Yes. Could remarks like this jeopardize that diplomacy? Yes.

More thinking, less reacting.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. POT MEET KETTLE---you are no one to talk about overdramizing anything--look at your op.


Don't overdramatize what I said.
Posted by Kristi1696


They will not nuke us. But will they (and have they) sold nuclear materials to our enemies? Yes. Have we been trying desperately to stop this with diplomacy? Yes. Could remarks like this jeopardize that diplomacy? Yes.

More thinking, less reacting.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #113
142. Oh the irony.....eom
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:48 AM
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49. maybe vladimir and obama can read scriptures together nt
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:50 AM
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51. She'll be disputin' with Putin when she's Prez.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:01 PM
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61. No she won't. His hand-picked successor is replacing him. n/t
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #61
124. You're right. She'll be disputin' with his sock puppet.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:56 AM
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54. Jeez, how original: A man telling a woman she is too emotional.
:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:57 AM
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55. Sexist crap from a dictator. Are we surprised?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:59 AM
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57. Re: "Hurling insults at foreign powers." When Reagan did it, people cheered.
Male politician hurling insults at foreign leaders = Strong Leadership.
Female politician hurling insults at foreign leaders - Too Emotional.

I'd be ashamed to continue this argument. How transparent can you be?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. We were technically at war with them then = Big difference.
There was no diplomacy between our nations then, so the leaders were free to say what they wanted.

That's not the case now, so you keep your opinions to yourself, less you undo years worth of diplomacy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #57
122. Well recall that Reagan is the Savior to the Repugs, and now Obama is the savor to
the Obama folks

Saviors are heros
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:01 PM
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60. HA HA_-now you use Putin to make a case for Slamming Hillary-- HA HA
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:03 PM
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63. Nope. Just pointing out that it's a bad idea to provoke foreign leaders...
...with personal insults. He smacked her down in front of the world and she asked for it.

That's not a smart thing to do.

You're free to feel however you want about foreign leaders, but you keep those opinions to yourself.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
87. I see your OP as a conjured up outrage against Hillary.
Nope. Just pointing out that it's a bad idea to provoke foreign leaders...
Posted by Kristi1696


...with personal insults. He smacked her down in front of the world and she asked for it.

That's not a smart thing to do.

You're free to feel however you want about foreign leaders, but you keep those opinions to yourself.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
93. Say that all you want. Your opportunism this time is scorn-worthy.
Pathetic. I'd be embarrassed if I were you, for DEFENDING this KGB bastard.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #93
151. Some Hillary haters have no shame.
They will say or do anything to diminish her, never realizing they diminish the Democratic Party as well.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:03 PM
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64. Putin is sexist? Color me unsurprised-wouldn't expect much more from him
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:05 PM by nam78_two
Did he find Bush "emotional" when he looked into his soul and saw a beautiful rose or whatever?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. It's not about Putin.
It's about whether it is advisable to personally insult foreign leaders. Particularly if your country is currently engaged in diplomatic efforts with them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:09 PM
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70. Putin hit a Hillary on the 'emotion' comment-sexist comment and you know it and you hit on
Hillary.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:15 PM
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81. Absolutely he did. He's trying to discredit her as a leader because she's a woman.
And she brought that on herself by attacking him first. He's a sexist asshole for sure, but he never would have made these remarks if he weren't retaliating to her own remarks. She took it personal, so he returned the favor. They both hit below the belt.

That's why her initial comment has me so pissed off. You simply do not set yourself up for this sort of thing. It is irresponsible behavior on the part of someone who could soon be leading this nation.

(I know where you're going to go with this and the "blaming the victim" thing. But don't. Hillary did make the first move here, there's no disputing that.)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:27 PM
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95. I see her comment as a dig against Bush.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
96. Keep digging. Fact is, your defending a KGB asshole.
Lovely. At DU, no less.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #67
77. A jibe of this nature is not unprecedented among political leaders
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:13 PM by nam78_two
They do it all the time-it doesn't usually lead to international incidents. (However, I do highly doubt that Putin would call the remark "emotional"/"hysterical" etc. if it came from a man.)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #67
88. So you're denouncing Putin's insult of Hillary.
That's what this thread is all about, right?

Because if you're denouncing Hillary and taking Putin's side in this, that's simply deplorable.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:35 PM
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109. Of course I denounce what he said about her.
I have no love for that man or anything he stands for.

However, I also denounce Hillary publicly and personally insulting the leader of a nation who has the power and influence to make things difficult for our country.

Her remark was ill-advised. That is the point of this.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:36 PM
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111. Her remark was spot-on.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #88
130. The only denouncing I see is of Hillary
Not of PutinStalin's sexist comment.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #130
137. Don't you love how she changed the rules midway through the game...
when it became apparent that even Obama fans were stearing clear of approving what Putin said?

It then became, "But she almost started a war!"

:eyes:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #64
72. Tell me about it
A genocidal, sexist, ex-KGBer dictator, who can't accept Russia is no longer a Superpower.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. Putin definitely has an exceptionally poor human rights record
There will never be any justice for Anna Politkovskaya :-/-now there was someone our media could learn from.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Exactly
And, I'm betting most people reading this name will have to Google it to see who she is. Telling.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Not me.
I know who she is. Or was, I guess I should unfortunately say.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. It was really tragic-Anna Politkovskaya was a very fine person
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:22 PM by nam78_two
I respected what she was doing so much.
Politkovskaya, Litvinenko...yeah people who cross Putin don't really seem to fare very well....

For anyone unfamiliar with the story, this is a fairly good WaPo editorial:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/07/AR2006100700718.html

"the climate of brutality that has flourished under Mr. Putin"
Yep..
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:10 PM
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71. *****BREAKING*****PUTIN ENDORSES OBAMA*****
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #71
129. hey--that Endorsement deserves it own thread!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:11 PM
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75. Yeah, I really care what Putin thinks. n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:24 PM
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89. I heard Putin cried when he heard her remarks
he's very sensitive. :cry:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:54 PM
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131. WERE they REAL?? Was the scene staged?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:24 PM
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90. Comment regarding your edit: Russia is a superpower?
Hardly.

Your defense of this man is disgusting.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #90
97. Does Russia have nuclear weapons and nuclear materials...
...that we are trying desperately to keep out of the hands of nations like Iran?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm questioning the intelligence of personally insulting foreign leaders.

There's a big difference there.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. Is that how you define "superpower?" Then you consider...
North Korea, Pakistan, India, Israel, and so forth "superpowers" too?

No, Russia is no longer a superpower.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #101
104. That's how I define "really fucking dangerous".
That's how I define "country you shouldn't be pissing off".

The nomenclature of "superpower" is meaningless. But if you'd like to dwell on technicalities, feel free.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:34 PM
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106. You actually think that this exchange could put US and Russia on the brink of nuclear war?
Ahahahahaha!

With every post, you become more amusing.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:42 PM
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121. Nope. But could it encourage more nuclear materials to be place in the hands...
of our enemies? Absolutely. Where do you think Pakistan, for example, received much of its nuclear material?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:47 PM
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125. It;'s not even a ripple on the pond of geopolitics.
You're just making a mountain out of a molehill because someone insulted Hillary.

If Beelzebub himself rose from hell and called Hillary a bobblehead, you'd post a thread and defend the dark one.

:eyes:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:55 PM
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133. Yup, and that's what makes Putin even more bonkers
He wants to be a Cold War Soviet leader... and instead, he's the dictator of a much-marginalized (on the world scene) Russia.

Russia is not a Superpower.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:26 PM
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92. Hillary actually said Putin doesn't have a soul?
And she thinks Obama is the inexperienced one? That was just idiotic.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:31 PM
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103. Apparently it doesn't matter because Putin is a sexist asshole.
Which is true, of course. So she's allowed to insult him all she wants, even if it means destroying our diplomacy with Russia.

That's what I have learned from this thread thus far. It's been very enlightening.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #92
110. SEEMS to me Hill was dissing Bush for his comment huh?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #110
117. That's not how it came out.
That's not how Putin took it.

When you represent a country you have to be very careful in how you select your words. With this, Hillary has shown us that she leaves something to be desired in that department.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:41 PM
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119. so will he sign on as a Obama surrogate now??
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:30 PM
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100. Great! He can go on tour with
Oprah, Gale and Maria Shriver.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:35 PM
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107. LOL.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:39 PM
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118. BRING HIM ON BOARD AS AN OBAMA SURROGATE--
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:56 PM
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135. You made me laugh
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:36 PM
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112. Reminds me of a horse joke.
One day a guy walks into a bar. The bartender says "if you can make that horse over there laugh you can have free drinks for the rest of the night".

So he says "ok" and walks over to the horse and whispers something in his ear and he starts laughing and the bartender gives him free drinks for the rest of the night.

The next night the same guy comes back in and the bartender says "if you can make that horse over there cry i will give you free drinks for the rest of the night.

So he walks over there and does something and the horse starts crying, and the bartender gives him free drinks. Then the bartender asks what the man did to make the horse laugh and what he did to make him cry.

The man says "To make him laugh I told him I had a bigger dick than he does and to make him cry I showed him".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #112
134. Ha ha--great one!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:38 PM
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116. Putin prefers Obama because Obama is weaker than Hillary
Let's not be played by Putin.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:50 PM
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127. Clinton's Politics of Soul Is Bad Taste
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 01:05 PM by Kristi1696
I should leave this up to the experts. There's a reason I'm not a writer, after all.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2008/02/04/007.html

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #127
138. Its your last post cause you LOST your argument . Nothing there to start with.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #127
140. Just another Hillary hate hit piece. --one good thing--a wast of a post
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:51 PM
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128. are we in for another Cold War?
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #128
145. YES WE ARE....OMG
OH OBAMA -SAVE ME.....

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:54 PM
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132. So You're Defending The Statements Of This Misogynist Asshole? What A Disgrace.
He makes these totally sexist and bullshit remarks, and you're putting the blame on her? Grow the fuck up and get a damn clue.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #132
139. "He slammed her for all the world to hear"
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 12:59 PM by LostinVA
Like most of the thinking world and/or our allies have any love or respect for this guy.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:13 PM
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143. The Viewpoint Expressed Was Beyond Asinine.
And I'm a bit in awe that such a blatantly sexist comment could be said by someone who is a piece of shit as much as Putin, and yet the OP uses it to slam Hillary, instead of dismissing it for the misogynistic bullshit it was. What's even more surprising is how many will rush to jump in line to agree, just out of political stupidity due to their choice of candidate, instead of using their actual brains to do some critical thinking and realize that the OP is pathetic, Putin is pathetic, his comments were pathetic, and that Hillary was just making an innocent lighthearted joke.

How the fuck do we have DU'ers that would condone these statements and sentiments of the OP? It's fucking embarrassing.

Shame on the OP, and shame on those going rah rah about it. There seems to be a new level of stupidity here reached every damn day.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:03 PM
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141. LOl-you guys are really reaching now
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 01:06 PM by Reterr
A) It was a joke FFS.
B) No it isn't going to start the next cold war. Yeah I am not going to give you a wiki link or a link within a link within a link or a link to Hillary's website to back that up. I will rely on common sense here-it was a trivial remark and Putin is a creep but even he is not enough of an ass to start a war over it or make major foreign policy decisions based on it. And I think even most Obama supporters know that.

Seriously, some of you should stick to posts about how he walks on water. When you go negative you actually manage to come up with crazier stuff than you do when you are going "HE IS RFKJFLMLKGOD" ," NOBODY KNEW HOW TO MAKE A SPEECH TILL OBAMA BURST ON THE SCENE"...It would actually be less absurd.



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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:20 PM
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148. Putin is a tyrant. Hillary is an idiot for provoking him without cause.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 01:21 PM by Occam Bandage
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:27 PM
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150. Obama contributes the most to superdelegates campaigns, courting their vote
Obama: $695,000
Clinton: $200,000
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