Will party insiders overturn your vote? (a follow up)

[DesertFlower]

From: Democracy for America

Subject: RE: Will party insiders overturn your vote?


Dear ,

Sign the petition to make sure Democratic voters decide our nominee, not the party elite

It been only two days since we started our Voters Decide campaign and, thanks to you, it's really taking off.
Yesterday, CNN and the Miami Herald covered the story and highlighted our work. Moveon-org was inspired to launch their own campaign and we will join them in placing an ad in USA Today. And grassroots pundits like David Sirota at HuffingtonPost-com and Chris Bowers at Openleft-com are speaking out in support of our campaign.

Even some super-delegates are listening. Here's what Hillary Clinton supporter and super-delegate Donna Brazille said on CNN:

"Our role is to help build the party not to decide elections... as a super delegate, I believe (my) vote belongs to the American people. Therefore I will withhold committing to either candidate until the voters decide."

This is not about Senators Clinton or Obama. This is about who chooses the Democratic Nominee. Should it be the 20 million Democratic voters so far and the millions more yet to vote? Or should it be the less than 800 party insiders?

We believe the answer is obvious. Let the voters decide. Please sign the petition right now:

www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/VotersDecide

After you sign, ask five friends to add thier voice too. Thank you for everything you do.

-Charles

[Tarc]

1. This BS has got to stop: If the superdelegates go the other way, it is not "stolen"

I want to vomit every time I see this ridiculous fucking meme. Those 796 have every right to vote one their own, and should not be cowed into voting for one or the other based on the result of the pledged delegate results.

The vast majority are elected officials, current and former, who were capable of making sound decisions on their own as members of Congress, the Senate, as Governors, as Mayors etc...

Do we demand that our elected officials take a poll of their constituents on every bill, every motion, every amendment, every earmark? No, we do not. Why do some feel that their role as superdelegates should now suddenly be beholden to the direct will of the voters?

I'm personally for Clinton, and if she went in to the convention with a lead, and the supers went Obama's way, then so be it. This is how the process has been for 30+ yeas, and all this crying and feet-stomping at the 11th hour is abso-fucking-lutely pathetic.

It'd be like a team losing the Super Bowl in overtime, and bitching about the "sudden death" rules if they never get a chance to get the ball.

Summation: suck it up. Stop embarrassing yourselves and your candidate.

[mkultra]

2. actually

Your metaphor lacks accuracy


It would be like one team winning by a point but the commisioner casting his two point "super player" card to change the outcome.

[Tarc]

4. Yours lacks common sense

We all knew the rules of the game before playing. If you didn't like them, then you should have declined to play.

[mkultra]

5. im sure plenty will comply with your request

[ronnykmarshall]

7. Nice RW bumper sticker.

[DesertFlower]

6. do you know why we have'nt heard about

superdelegates until this year?

my understanding is that each superdelegate vote is equal to 10,000 regular votes. why do we need them? shouldn't they get 1 vote just like the rest of us?

this has nothing to do with my candidate. this information was sent to me by "Democracy for America".

look at what donna brazille says. she's a clinton supporter and a superdelegate.



on edit: i resent the implication that my post has something to do with my candidate. i'm an obama supporter, but if hillary is the nominee i will support her 110%. they are both great candidates.

[backscatter712]

8. WRONG! Totally fucking wrong.

What makes the superdelegates so fucking special? Why should their vote count the same as 9,000 normal voters?

It's fucking bullshit, plain and simple.

If the superdelegates throw the nomination against the pledged delegates, they will create a clusterfuck that will make '68 look like a cakewalk.

And I personally will leave the Democratic Party forever if the superdelegates pull such a stunt. So will millions of voters. I will guarantee that neither Clinton or Obama will ever be president without the assent of the voters, speaking through the pledged delegates.

The will of the ordinary voters is sacred. Absolutely nothing should stand in the way of that.

[Tarc]

10. Good riddance

Nothing more to be said, really. Whining about the rules halfway through the game is what a child does.

[backscatter712]

11. You want to lose half the Democratic Party?

That's what's going to happen if the superdelegates override the will of the voters.

I will leave the party if the superdelegates override the pledged delegates.

And so will millions of party members.

Unless you want to lose the Presidential election, you WILL tell your superdelegates not to do this. Whoever your superdelegates are - your Congressmen, your Senators, your governors, it doesn't matter.

I'm not asking you.

I'm ordering you.

You don't have to fucking like it. You can bitch about it until you turn blue. But that will change NOTHING.

Either keep your superdelegates from violating the will of the people, or lose the Presidency.

Get off your fucking ass and do it.

[Tarc]

12. If you and your pissant kind walk, the blood is on YOUR HANDS

NOT mine. You will get the government (McCain) that YOU deserve, just as those asshole Naderites got what they deserved (Bush Jr.) in 2000.

The choice is yours; wake the fuck up, stop the fucking crying game, obtain a shred of maturity. If your candidate cannot win both parts of the primary, then he does not deserve a chance to be president.

Period, end of discussion.

[backscatter712]

13. Go fuck yourself.

I will not have any part of a political party that holds contempt for democracy.

If you don't like it, you're free to continue to wander in the wilderness with a Republican president for four more fucking years.

[Tarc]

15. Utterly charming, but that is the great thing about democracy

As someone wise once said "In a democracy, the voters get precisely the form of government that they deserve".

If Obama's iPod-sporting juvenile backers get in a huff and sit out the general election just because he does not win the primary, then you deserve every ounce of misery that President McCain can lay on your sorry ass.

Two more Scalitos on the bench? Your fault.
10 decades of Iraq occupation? Your fault.
Continued pandering to the religious right? Yep, you guessed it; your fault.


So the choice is yours; in a presumed Clinton-McCain matchup, which will prevail? Your ego, or your common sense?

Don't bother replying now, as it really doesn't matter. Save it for November, and decide for yourself.

[Vinca]

9. If Democratic elected officials overturn the will of the people,

there will be fewer Democratic voters next time around. Guaranteed. This wouldn't be an issue if the Hillary people were assured they would get all the votes. Elections, like states, "don't count" to the Clinton campaign. Just crown her and get it over with.

[MediaBabe]

3. The governor you voted for, the Senator, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter...

People you know. People who you've voted for. People you've come to trust.

Super Delegates are not some evil boogieman lurking in a dark alley. They are the men and women we've voted for because they've demonstrated they uphold the values we want in government.

[UALRBSofL]

14. I'm not going to sign a petition that breaks the rules

But thanks for asking.