The Ohio Dispatch: Clinton maintaining 21 pt lead over Obama

[ElsewheresDaughter]

The New York senator holds a 21-point lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, meaning the state regarded as her firewall is holding.

<snip>

Brown acknowledged Obama has made up ground rapidly in other states where Clinton held large poll leads.

"Barack Obama is an especially good campaigner, and he has moved numbers significantly before," Brown said. "The question is, can he move them as significantly as he needs to … despite all the national drift, her lead remains sizable."

The latest poll comes about two weeks after the Dispatch Poll showed Clinton with a 23-point margin over Obama.

The Connecticut university also had Clinton with a 16-point lead in Pennsylvania, whose April 22 vote is the last major 2008 primary.


http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/02/15/NUPOLL.ART_ART_02-15-08_A4_B49C8UC.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

[MadBadger]

1. I see you wasted your thread on the same Q-Poll reported at least five times yesterday.

[tandem5]

4. score!!!

[Barack_America]

5. Five? I think you missed a few.

;)

[BlackVelvet04]

12. I see you have nothing better to say than some silly chidish

comment about someone else's use of their 3 threads.

[liberalnurse]

16. Well, I still have my three posts

yet to use so tonight, I will enlighten you regarding Hillary Clinton and her soaring poll ratings in Ohio.

[rodeodance]

34. Whining again?

[oasis]

57. Give it another kick.

:kick:

[Thrill]

2. All these polls are irrelevant until Obama hits Ohio

[RiverStone]

9. Agreed - since once he hits the streets amazing things happen like this....

http://www.pollster.com/USTopzDems.php

Now that's MOMENTUM!

[rodeodance]

37. get the water bottle --SWOON effect acoming.

[hell-bent]

53. Then what will happen?

Will electro-magnetic brain-washing messages come from the Mother Ship to change the Ohio voter's minds?:tinfoilhat:

[NJSecularist]

3. Yesterday's news

And this poll is over a week old. It started on the 6th and ended on the 11th.

[Alhena]

6. She needs to because Texas will give her no new delegates ...

due to the arcane Texas delegate rules which greatly favor Obama.

[Debi]

11. Texas counts

when they have their primary

But doesn't count

when they hold their caucus

:crazy:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. 80% primaries 20% caucuses ...why wouldn't the caucuses count?

[Debi]

32. *sigh*

Because Senator Clinton doesn't like caucuses, so caucus states don't count.
Except for Nevada, where she won the caucuses, Nevada counts.

And she like primaries, so primary states count.
Except for all the states she didn't win, those states don't count for one reason or another.

So Texas counts (for now) because it's a primary (unless she loses, then it doesn't count).
Until their caucuses, then Texas doesn't count (unless Senator Clinton wins the caucuses)the Texas counts (again?).

:banghead:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. * pffft *

:evilgrin:

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. She just said Ohio is not a must win

Obviously, this poll is not believed to be anywhere near accurate by the Clinton campaign.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. its from the same friggen paper...that's my point

[rodeodance]

36. chuckle!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. oy oy oy....

:rofl:

[thoughtcrime1984]

43. didn't see the ignored above you, but

If polls were the be-all end-all, Hillary would be the nom by now. Just sayin'.

[mod mom]

10. TAKE NOTE @ OPENING "If she can't make it here, she can't make it anywhere."

We'll see on March 4th. Carville has said publicly Texas and Ohio are must wins. The polls have been wrong before and the turnout for Obama's volunteering has been unprecedented (even in deep red Cincinnati they had over 700 volunteers turn out)

[woolldog]

13. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

But isn't the Ohio primary on March 4?

It's Feb 15 and Wisconsin and Hawaii vote on Feb 19. After those primaries that will give him 2 weeks to focus on Ohio and Texas. 2 weeks is plenty of time to campaign in Ohio and Texas and bridge the gap. Hillary supporters, I wouldn't read too much into those polls at this point since he hasn't campaigned in either state.

[DemGa]

20. Umm, Hillary will be campaigning too...nt

[woolldog]

22. I know that

:P But he's proven himself to be a better campaigner than her. He can close the gap easily. Especially with another sweep on Feb 19. He knows how important that momentum is (it will help him in Ohio and Texas) and that's why he's been focusing on Wisconsin and even Hawaii.

I think Hillary made a big mistake stealing a page from the Giuiliani's playbook. While it looks like she's doing some campaigning in Wisconsin, she hasn't spent nearly as much time there and from reports I've seen voters have noticed that and resent it.

[IndianaGreen]

14. Ohio polls show that the race is tightening, and Hillary is losing ground

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Spread

RCP Average 02/06 - 02/13 - 54.0 36.7 Clinton +17.3

Rasmussen 02/13 - 02/13 754 LV 51 37 Clinton +14.0

Quinnipiac 02/06 - 02/12 564 LV 55 34 Clinton +21.0

SurveyUSA 02/10 - 02/11 720 LV 56 39 Clinton +17.0

Columbus Dispatch 01/23 - 01/31 2156 LV 42 19 Clinton +23.0

Quinnipiac 11/26 - 12/03 436 RV 45 19 Clinton +26.0

Quinnipiac 11/06 - 11/11 450 RV 42 17 Clinton +25.0

Quinnipiac 10/01 - 10/08 357 RV 47 19 Clinton +28.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_democratic_primary-263.html

[shenmue]

27. I guess you can't count.

See the OP article.

You just don't like to admit that not everyone is quick to bow down to your candidate.

[harun]

15. Jeesh, OH needs to get with the program (n/t)

[rug]

18. Thank you, I hadn't seen this. And tandem, the score is 55-34.

[mkultra]

19. Nice work there

I think mensa is calling you in. Your their new president.

[jackson_dem]

21. Obamites go nuts whenever a poll not showing St. Obama up by 20 points is posted

Weird as hell...it is as if they are in a...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. for real!

[gaspee]

24. You mean like

the comment above you that says Ohio needs to get with the "program."

[elixir]

41. Eek! I'm watching CCN right now and their spewing more trash...

between picking on Chelsea, glorifying Michelle Obama and spewing lies about superdelegates.

The worst political team in TV

Jack Cafferty about Michelle Obama: She's pretty, she's smart, she's a class act..."
Wolf Blitzer: Superdelegates are thinking of jumping ship from Clinton to Obama..." (totally untrue)
"Are the clintons seeking special treatment for Chelsea?" Yuck!


:thumbsdown:

[johnnydrama]

42. yup

Jack Cafferty about Michelle Obama: She's pretty, she's smart, she's a class act..."

She is!

Wolf Blitzer: Superdelegates are thinking of jumping ship from Clinton to Obama..." (totally untrue)

They are!

"Are the clintons seeking special treatment for Chelsea?" Yuck!

Yes, she can campaign as long as she want, but you aren't allowed to talk to her.

[AX10]

49. Cafferty has joined the ranks of Olberman...

and the rest of MSGOP in their 24/7 hate-fest against Hillary Clinton!

[VolcanoJen]

25. Not even remotely worried.

Hillary talked to 200 invitation-only supporters at a Skyline Chili here in Cincinnati today... and Michelle Obama's about to roll into Music Hall for an "open to the public" rally!

Enthusiasm for Obama is through the roof here... I've yet to see a Hillary visibility, even. And after Wisconsin, when Michelle and Barack focus on Ohio and campaign here, I think it's going to be alllll good. :-)

[goldcanyonaz]

46. Michelle was greeted the same in Arizona, and we all know how my state voted.

[AX10]

47. A friendly greeting by supporters does not equal victory.

You and I understand that, but on the other hand, we don't live in Obamaland, so we understand reality. :hi:

[goldcanyonaz]

48. Thank G-D for that.

:loveya:

[AX10]

50. See my sig line!

:kick:
i.e: the endorsement that Barack Obama does not want you to see.

[goldcanyonaz]

51. I love it! I clicked on it yesterday and almost fell over.

[AX10]

52. kick

[thereismore]

26. That's Columbus Dispatch and it's the worst RW rag in the country. Do you think

they might have an agenda? Never trust a republican!

[sloppyjoe25s]

28. Ohio is an Open Primary

The poll is only of registered Democrats.

http://innovation.cq.com/primaries

A poll including independents - who will turn out Big for Obama - would be a very different picture.

[VolcanoJen]

30. Yep. And with this being the first big primary with McCain out of the race...

... I think it's quite possible you'll see disillusioned Republicans voting Democrat this time around.

Especially in Cincinnati.

edit: By "out of the race," I meant the first big primary with the Republican nomination already having been decided. I could have written that better. ;-)

[workinclasszero]

31. Independents voting for Hillary?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::evilgrin:

GOBAMA!!

[sloppyjoe25s]

39. yeah... they idea that Indies will go to Mrs. Clinton

is pretty laghable!

Obamanos!! ViVa Obama!

[bunnies]

29. uhm hmm. Because polls taken weeks before the vote hold SO much water.

:rofl:

[Yael]

33. How'd the vote turn out today?

[LordJFT]

38. even is she wins ohio by 21 and loses texas she's toast

[catagory5]

44. you are correct

She can win Ohio by 30 and if she loses Texas that is it. One thing you have to admit; this has been one hulluva election! Almost as dramatic as the Show "LOST".......
Well, not quite that good.

[AX10]

45. And she has her ground game in Ohio too.

She will talk the people about what really has to be done to make this nation good again.
No slick talk about "change", but solid policies and experience.

Go Hillary! :kick:

[woolldog]

54. experience

experience doing what exactly? Working as a corporate lawyer, being first lady, or mismanaging health care reform in 1993?......or mismanaging her presidential campaign?

[LordJFT]

55. like what dropping cluster bombs in areas with children?

[grantcart]

56. This is really great great news she is way way ahead

There is no way that Obama will get within 20 points of her.

This is a huge lead that shows how deeply devoted they are to her.

2/19 Really good news guys Hillary is still ahead by 17 points - her largest lead ever. Obama has no hope in Ohio.

2/21 Hillary is maintaining a fantastic lead of 14 points at this rate she will pick up 14 delegates and if Texas does their part we will turn back this Obama groundswell.


2/28 I think it is completely shitty that the MSM and those asses at DU just talk and talk and talk about Hillary's lead has been cut in half. Ten fucking points is still huge.


3/1 god its terrible to consider what they are saying about Texas but atleast we have a solid 7 point lead.

3/3 What the fuck do they mean "margin of error". what a bunch of incompetents. Christ these pollsters drive me crazy. Wait until they wake up Wednesday and see that Ohio has gone Clinton oh and BTW a win is a win and I don't care if it is as close as NM.