Why was Hillary's name still on the ballot in Michigan?

[XemaSab]

:shrug:

[Bitwit1234]

1. Wonder why her opponent had conyers and his wife

campaign for him in Michigan...nobody ask that...just flame and ding Hillary that's all the other candidate's supporters do.

[mckeown1128]

4. making shit up eh?

When did conyers endorse Obama?

[rinsd]

17. Umm Conyers & his wife endorsed Obama last summer

Here's Conyers blog its wall to wall Obama news - http://www.johnconyers.com/blog

This is the script of the John and Monica Conyers radio ad, which will be broadcast on Detroit-area stations. Monica Conyers is president pro-tem of the Detroit City Council.

MALE: THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CONFUSING. I WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BUT OBAMA'S NAME IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

FEMALE: THERE IS NO ONE ON THAT BALLOT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

MALE: WELL, THESE FOLKS CAN HELP US. EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

FEMALE: HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR OBAMA ON TUESDAY?

Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN'T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA'S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

Councilwoman Conyers: IF AT LEAST 15% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE UNCOMMITTED, THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST SEND THAT PERCENTAGE OF DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION UNCOMMITTED.

Rep. Conyers: MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE.

MALE: THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS. I WILL JOIN YOU AND VOTE UNCOMMITTED ON TUESDAY.

FEMALE: ME TOO - AT LEAST MY VOTE WON'T BE WASTED

Councilwoman Conyers: THIS TRUTH IN POLITICS MESSAGE WAS PAID FOR BY FRIENDS OF MONICA CONYERS

[XemaSab]

7. Why would Obama have anyone campaign for him there

when his name wasn't on the ballot? :shrug:

[rinsd]

13. Conyers & his wife launched a vote uncommitted campaign.

This is the script of the John and Monica Conyers radio ad, which will be broadcast on Detroit-area stations. Monica Conyers is president pro-tem of the Detroit City Council.

MALE: THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CONFUSING. I WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BUT OBAMA'S NAME IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

FEMALE: THERE IS NO ONE ON THAT BALLOT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

MALE: WELL, THESE FOLKS CAN HELP US. EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

FEMALE: HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR OBAMA ON TUESDAY?

Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN'T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA'S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

Councilwoman Conyers: IF AT LEAST 15% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE UNCOMMITTED, THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST SEND THAT PERCENTAGE OF DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION UNCOMMITTED.

Rep. Conyers: MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE.

MALE: THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS. I WILL JOIN YOU AND VOTE UNCOMMITTED ON TUESDAY.

FEMALE: ME TOO - AT LEAST MY VOTE WON'T BE WASTED

Councilwoman Conyers: THIS TRUTH IN POLITICS MESSAGE WAS PAID FOR BY FRIENDS OF MONICA CONYERS

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/09/voters_face_confusion_in_michi.html

[catgirl]

16. Many people started the "vote uncommitted" campaign

all of the other candidates, plus Draft Gore people. What's up with the
all CAPS?

[rinsd]

18. That was the copy & pasted text. I did not feel like rewriting it.

[Yossariant]

15. Ask John Conyers who DID campaign for him in Michigan:

This is the script of the John and Monica Conyers radio ad, which will be broadcast on Detroit-area stations. Monica Conyers is president pro-tem of the Detroit City Council.

MALE: THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CONFUSING. I WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA BUT OBAMA'S NAME IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

FEMALE: THERE IS NO ONE ON THAT BALLOT I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

MALE: WELL, THESE FOLKS CAN HELP US. EXCUSE ME, CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP.

FEMALE: HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR OBAMA ON TUESDAY?

Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN'T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA'S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

Councilwoman Conyers: IF AT LEAST 15% OF THE PEOPLE VOTE UNCOMMITTED, THE STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY MUST SEND THAT PERCENTAGE OF DELEGATES TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION UNCOMMITTED.

Rep. Conyers: MY WIFE AND I ARE VOTING UNCOMMITTED. WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT UNCOMMITTED DELEGATES GO TO THAT CONVENTION TRULY UNCOMMITTED SO THAT OBAMA CAN COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE.

MALE: THANK YOU CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CONYERS. I WILL JOIN YOU AND VOTE UNCOMMITTED ON TUESDAY.

FEMALE: ME TOO - AT LEAST MY VOTE WON'T BE WASTED

Councilwoman Conyers: THIS TRUTH IN POLITICS MESSAGE WAS PAID FOR BY FRIENDS OF MONICA CONYERS

[WHAT]

11. furthermore...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4518826

[LisaM]

2. She wasn't required to, so she didn't (neither did Dodd, Gravel

or Kucinich). Don't feed me the BS about how Dennis "meant to". He actually campaigned there.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Yes he did!

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080110/ELECTIONS01/801100411/1418/election


In direct, blatant violation of the pledge.

[rinsd]

3. A better question is why Obama took his name off?

He cared oh so much about the pledge that he took his name off the ballot!

But when FL rolled around he sought special permission to run ads there on cable TV as part of his national ad buy. He could have waited a week to run this.

I wonder why such drastic measure were needed for one state but not the other.

Hmm could it be that IA & NH already had their elections and those tow states were the most concerned with their status as 1st in the nation?

[mckeown1128]

6. More spin... those were NATIONAL ads...you know...for

Super Tuesday, but nice spin attempt.

[rinsd]

12. Which is exactly what I said

"he sought special permission to run ads there on cable TV as part of his national ad buy."

[mckeown1128]

14. Your pathetically trying to imply that he was running the

ads as a way to win in FL. Even though he was saying loudly in public that FL results didn't count.

[rinsd]

21. He was. He knew the ads would FL, he sought permission to run them anyway.

He could have waited a week.

The pledge meant so much to him that he took the extreme measure of removing his name from the ballot.

But when the decision came to delay a national ad buy a week so he would be within the spirit of the pledge against campaigning he sought special permission..

The contrast shows his MI move was pure political theater.

[johnnydrama]

33. hmmmm

What part of

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

are you not understanding?

She blatantly said that MI does not count, and is now saying it should count.

Which time was she telling the truth?

[gateley]

5. If I recall she chose not to remove her name from the ballot, (some did, some

didn't - it was up to the candidate) - but she did agree not to campaign there.

She was the only one of the top tier -- and the close second tier - who opted to keep her name on it.

[mckeown1128]

8. Simple she said that MI didn't count for anything.

The same logic she uses for MI applies to FL too.


NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

[Yael]

22. But now, they count lots and lots

Thanks for that reference and especially the link. I was looking for that the other day.

[XemaSab]

26. So we can now add Michigan to the list of states she said

"Didn't count?" :D

[MonkeyFunk]

9. Other

There was no requirement to remove their names. The others did to pander to the early states, and because they knew they'd lose there.

Kucinich was the only one not competent enough to remove his name, after saying he would.

[XemaSab]

27. Yeah, but Kucinich's national headquarters was a garage in Altoona.

:crazy:

[nonconformist]

10. Dodd, Gravel and Kucinich were on the ballot too.

And Obama did have a "get out the vote" push specifically saying that Uncommitted = Obama.

[XemaSab]

28. You don't think that was a last minute "Oh shit, Hillary might try to steal all these delegates"

moment? :shrug:

[nonconformist]

29. Oh, I forgot that Obama walks on water.

And Hillary is Satan.

[rinsd]

30. self delete

[rinsd]

31. So you agree it was a campaign against Hillary? In a state he pledged not to campaign in?

[catgirl]

20. Other- fire wall

just in case she loses SC, WA state, VA, WI, OH or TX, PA.....

[Bucky]

23. She lost the withdrawal paperwork. I told her not to hire Condi Rice as a campaign secretary

Maybe it was still in one of those fileboxes.

[shenmue]

24. Because she's a candidate for president.

Why is she not supposed to be there? Wow, you people really don't want this to be a fair contest.

[workinclasszero]

25. Cause thats the way the Clinton's roll

Hillary's final firewalls are forcing the seating of MI and FL delegates.

She would subvert the will of the majority of democratic voters in her lust for power sad to say.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Other reason: She is a calculating, conniving, corrupt politician

and this shit she and her predatory husband are trying to pull ought to remind the voters of what they didn't like about the Clinton White House.

[AJH032]

34. For any standard you all hold Clinton to here

I just hope you hold Kucinich to the same, since he did the exact same thing.

[XemaSab]

35. What kind of national organization did DK have?

I'm far more willing to believe ineptitude over duplicity for DK. :shrug:

[meow mix]

36. MI Clinton 140,000 Obama 0