Jewish Functionaries Stirring The Clinton-Obama Race

[Purveyor]

Tensions in the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination are mirrored in the American Jewish community. As the gap between the front-runners narrowed in the primaries, the clash between the two Jewish camps has become more heated.

Official Israel is making an effort to maintain a respectable neutrality. Has-beens are being called into the ring, like a former ambassador to Washington, Dan Ayalon, who jabbed Obama in a sensitive spot - the volume of his support for Israel.

Ayalon is not alone. Jewish advisers and non-Jewish supporters are almost obsessively occupied with searching for skeletons in the black candidate's past.

The Republican Party's neoconservative clique is trawling archives for "anti-Israeli" essays by advisers who had been seen in Obama's staff. Robert Malley, who was President Bill Clinton's special assistant during the Camp David talks, joined Obama. The neoconservatives reached Malley's father, a Jew of Egyptian descent, who, alas, kept childhood ties with Yasser Arafat. Malley junior is accused of publishing a joint article with an Oslo-supporting Palestinian, in which they dared to argue that Ehud Barak played a major role in the Camp David summit's failure in July 2000.

Obama is working hard to allay the fears of "Israel's friends," a description reserved mainly for activists of the pro-Israeli lobby AIPAC and for Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents. As far as they're concerned, whoever doesn't support the Israeli government's policy 100 percent is unfit for leadership.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/954463.html

[Skidmore]

1. Israel needs to stay the hell out of our election.

[burythehatchet]

2. "

[Botany]

3. I agree too

but they can take back Faith, Pearle, Kristol, Chertoff, and others

[Skidmore]

4. Good idea.

Others should include Dershowitz for sure.

[Indenturedebtor]

10. Oh and are those guys even Jewish?

If they are please hit them in the head with bats and my blessing. Oh and take all the millions of Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, Muslim, Taoist, etc assholes with them.

PNAC is not really for Israel. Israel is a tool to PNAC which is where many of Israeli and Palestinian problems come from.

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As always the Global Jewish Conspiracy is a great way to distract people from the Global Christian Conspiracy. Most of Israel and certain most Jews want PEACE. Who does their struggle benefit? Who profits? The American Military Industrial Complex, American oil industries, and all the dictators in the Middle East. Israel is like Vietnam for the hotwar that justifies fundamentalist totalitarian regimes and attacking Iran.

The RW is just trying to stir up shit and split the American Jewish population which has pretty much always over 80% voted Democrat.

[Botany]

13. PNAC = AIPAC

n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

14. Explain

Please do. That's a pretty tall claim. So I hope that you have a pretty well supported argument with links to reliable news sources.

[Indenturedebtor]

17. Still here I hope you're typing away

[Botany]

21. I am lazy but google will produce a ton of stuff

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Pentagon_investigation_stalls_Phase_II_of_0130.html

[Indenturedebtor]

23. Ok I read your story

Some PNAC guys have been implicated in passing state secrets and intelligence about Iran to AIPAC. Right. And therefore AIPAC = PNAC ?

Please. I'm not a huge fan of any lobbying group and I'm certainly not a huge fan of AIPAC. But AIPAC = PNAC is a pretty damn strong claim. You're basically blaming Israel for the Bush regime. I assumed that you had some good evidence beyond Israel using some PNAC asshats to get intelligence.

Yeah Israel spies on America, especially for intelligence regarding the region of the world that it's in... And PNAC asshats are part of this regime. And some asshats in AIPAC, Israel, and America support the aggressive wars on Iran and Iraq. Ok that part is well substantiated. Now please prove to me that AIPAC = PNAC.

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PNAC and the * regime have been pushing hard to get Israel involved in their wars in the ME. Israel is key to PNAC strategies of divide and conquer in the ME. That does not mean that it's in the interests of Israel to see WWIII in the ME. However, that does not also mean that there aren't Israeli asshats. There is an equal percentage of horrible Jewish people in the world as there is of any people/culture/religion/whatever. Bell curves apply to personal development of all kinds including asshatiness-altruism.

That does not mean that AIPAC wants the PNAC plan to come to fruition. Nor that most American Jews voted for Bush and the PNAC agenda. Most did not in fact. In fact, a far smaller number of American Jews voted for Bush than from perhaps any other group in this country in either 2000 or 2004.

Have a look why don't you http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=103

[Indenturedebtor]

7. Yes because

If Mexico was having similar issues as Israel - Mexican Americans wouldn't care what the politicians' stance was on such issues. :eyes:

People who support Israel a lot or a little more than they support the Palestinians or vice versa are going to care either way what the candidates stances are on the conflict.

Get over it. It's an issue that matters to Jewish and Palestinian voters who are also proud Americans; not a "Global Jewish Conspiracy" or a "Global Palestinian Conspiracy".

However I agree with the OP that the right needs to quit spreading lies and propaganda as an effort to divide. Of course... good luck with that.

[Bread and Circus]

9. I have to agree. I really don't appreciate our governance being so influenced

by another country as it is. My wife is Jewish and I understand the value and reason for sympathy with Israel. Nonetheless, our elected representatives are beholden to the interests of the American people that elect them, and no one else.

[Skidmore]

11. Yes, indeed.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. Our problem is that our elections are run by money. Whoever can give the most money, gets their

laws passed and their wishes to come true. We have to change the system of elections so the only ones electing the candidates are the people of the U.S., one voter-one vote, and ZERO money should be required to run for office.

[Bread and Circus]

24. Now, with the magic of the internet and some campaign finance reform...

we the people have been able to take back part of our Democracy. That's why Obama is doing so well. It's why Dean did so well.

We need MORE government reform for ethics, finance, and transparency.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. Oh that we do! The airways are ours - we need to demand the cable and TV companies.....

....pay us royalties in the form of setting aside a LARGE portion of every day to broadcast for free candidate debates, candidate speeches, and candidate ads. No candidate should ever have to take money from anyone for TV or cable ads ever again. Same with referenda, etc.

[jackson_dem]

5. Obama vigorously supported Israel in the Lebanon war in 2006

This is all hype.

[Indenturedebtor]

8. And good on him

Lebanon kidnapped Israeli soldiers in a border raid. You think we wouldn't invade Canada if that happened? Hmmm? Now the way that Israel went about it... totally unacceptable. But that's another forum.

[jackson_dem]

15. I don't disagree with Obama. I am pointing out this talk is all hype.

Obama is as pro-Israel as any major Democrat. This actually may help him. As we know from DU, Israel is not too popular among many in the Democratic base. He can have it both ways by touting his record to pro-Israel folks and then benefiting from the doubt and "hope" with pro-Palestinian folks.

[Indenturedebtor]

18. And actually

My Brother has recieved a few emails designed to spread fear not about Obamas Israel stance but rediculously painting him as an anti semite because of his association with Al Sharpton and others who have made some pretty nasty statements. More RW bullshit. I don't expect Obama to have taken a principled stance on every single issue that ever existed to prove that he's principled. I've had to work with assholes who've said some pretty offensive and hostile shit to me about Jews and the global conspiracy etc. One of the great things about not looking the stereotype that people have heh. You know who the assholes are.

[still_one]

20. There were seven or eight Jewish Senators who signed a letter

critisizing the emails you are referring to, and mischaracterizing Obama

[Indenturedebtor]

22. Apparently they didn't get the memo

The last time they withdrew Shekels from our massive Global Jewish bank account. My "Support PNAC, Eat A Christian Baby" weekly orders were clearly written in red ink at the bottom of my reciept.

We'll have to pay them a visit at our next conspiracy meeting :spank:

Excuse me, it's Shabbat, I need to find some x-tian blood to drink.

I hope that the PNAC = AIPAC guy has a response for me when I'm done.

[still_one]

25. I thought we only did that during Passover, gosh I didn't get the memo either

I hear you my friend

[still_one]

19. You are absolutely right, someone is trying to stir something up

Every candidate running, supports Israel, and at least on the Democratic side, those candidates openingly support a two state solution

Incidently, I am Jewish and pro-Obama, and no one speaks for me but ME

I will also support who the Democratic nominee is, which might very well be Hillary

If this post is somehow trying to paint Jews with one brush, it isn't going to work. The majority of Jews, will vote for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee is

The majority of Democrats will also vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is

[Arugula Latte]

6. ...

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[boston bean]

12. .......

mind if i join you?

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