Hawkeye-X
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:14 PM
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If and when Clinton loses Wisconsin or Hawaii on 2/19 |
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Will she still go on, or completely concede everything? Obama will be winning both states by 21%+ (and you can bookmark this thread and check my predictions later). Since the pledged delegates continue to pile, the superdelegates has already begin turn around and going to Obama, and that is of my opinion that Hillary Clinton's campaign is in critical condition and the paddles are already being cranked to 500 joules and the campaign isn't responding...
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:16 PM
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1. 21%? He leads by only 4-5% in Wisconsin in every poll |
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Hawaii is his home state so he should romp there. Everyone expects it.
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Hawkeye-X
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:18 PM
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3. Well, let me tell you a little story about polls, friend.. |
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POLLS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT UNTIL THE VOTERS HAVE SAID THEIR ANSWERS!
*kaff*
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:21 PM
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5. no need to shout friend |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:29 PM
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10. That's my point. He is much more likely to lose than win big |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:40 PM
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15. You don't have to shout. Why don' ou show some patience instead of making rash predictions. |
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Sat Feb-16-08 07:39 AM
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46. Neither do GDP posts. |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:34 PM
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12. From what I am hearing from our Wisconsin family and friends |
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the only people the pollsters are getting in touch with are the folks that aren't out shoveling snow, and those people won't be able to get out of their driveways on Tuesday anyway....
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Sat Feb-16-08 12:04 AM
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Does someone have an advantage?
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Sat Feb-16-08 07:33 AM
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44. The pollsters don't have "own a snowblower/doesn't own one" in |
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their statistics, so who knows? Madison has gotten 83 inches of snow so far this winter with more on the way, so I think that the change candidate will have an advantage there.
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:17 PM
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2. remember when obamanistas screamed bloody murder? superdelegates could vote Clinton! gasp! nt |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:20 PM
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4. The Wisconsin polling has them much closer. Obama packed the Kohl |
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venue on Tuesday -- something between 17,000 and 20,000 or so -- not bad for a weeknight, IMO, and Senator Clinton is scheduled for a rally on Sunday evening, which from most weather maps will be an event attended by polar bears and caribou, as 6-plus inches of snow is likely to fall on Sunday.
I don't know what's going on in Hawaii, but my guess is they aren't going to have nearly as much snow this weekend as Wisconsin.
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:44 PM
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17. 6" of snow isn't going to stop anybody. |
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A foot will admittedly slow things down in Wisconsin for a couple hours, but the sled dogs won't even notice another 6".
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:45 PM
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19. LOL! What do sled dogs eat, anyway -- Wisconsin bratwurst? And cheese? |
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It's going to be a wild scene down by the lake.
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Jackpine Radical
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:05 AM
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24. In Wisconsin we don't have snowblowers. |
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We have Hundscheissewerefern.
(dogshit throwers)
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:08 AM
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26. but this snow, JR. The weather sites are saying ice as well as accumulating |
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snow.
That's going to make it dangerous for motorists.
The Great Lakes states surely do have hearty souls to withstand the winter months.
More power to 'em, and I hope everybody drives carefully.
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Sat Feb-16-08 02:07 AM
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39. That ice stuff is forecast for down in the south. Like Milwaukee |
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or something. It has to get above freezing before you get ice.
One time I was walking down the street in Superior and I overheard this guy ask his friend, "My God, how long does winter last around here?" His friend said, "How the hell should I know? I only been here 26 months myself."
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Sat Feb-16-08 02:13 AM
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Reminds me a bit of Mark Twain's comment after his trip to Sthe west coast. He said the coldest winter of his life was the summer he'd just spent in San Francisco.
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:22 PM
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:23 PM
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I don't really get what you're talking about, but still comma splicings, parenthetical citations, nice sentences with capital letters at the beginning...
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:24 PM
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8. When did Wisconsin become a slam dunk? |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:28 PM
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9. Consistent 5% lead for Obama with about a 10% undecided, not a slam dunk |
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Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:29 PM by Johnny__Motown
Although the Clinton campaign isn't devoting many resources to this contest. It would seem that their own polling is telling them something we don't know.
Everyone expects Obama to win both these contests. She has been looking past them for a week.
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:30 PM
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11. They've been running ads there and came out with a new one today |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 PM
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and he has actually showed up this week.
Unlike Hillary, who has specifically given the Wisconsin voters a big "Fuck you" by not showing up until the last minute.
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:43 PM
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16. And then there's that pesky |
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Sat Feb-16-08 12:00 AM
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20. Ohio Lt. Gov. "dissappointed" Obama chose to introduce himself to Ohioans with a smear mailer |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:45 PM
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18. NJSecularist, you always have a colorful answer. |
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Sat Feb-16-08 12:06 AM
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23. Someone here said they haven't seen any Clinton ads in Green Bay |
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So I don't know what to think. They might have ads, but they might be more for pundit shows.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:16 AM
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27. Wrong. Clintons health ads coming out of GB all week. New gen one about |
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others polices started running today also.
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Sat Feb-16-08 09:47 AM
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:17 AM
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28. from a cheezehead-I agree with your message |
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Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 PM
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14. It was my understanding that she was going to have a rally in WI |
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Is that incorrect? I know she has ads going.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:08 AM
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25. "a rally"... like, wow....wow... a rally... sigh.... |
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good to see hillary expects to win a state with "a rally"
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:19 AM
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30. At the very least, she's got one on the docket for Sunday evening, on |
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Monona Terrace.
The weather forecast for Sunday is ice and snow, maybe 6" or more for parts of southern Wisconsin.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:33 AM
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33. My point was she has decided to contest the state |
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Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:33 AM by Bok_Tukalo
Instead of thinking her internal polling is having her losing badly maybe it is telling her she has a chance and with all the crazy expectations games going on, even a close loss can change things. A win is New Hampshire all over again.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:35 AM
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34. I'm sure she'd love to win in Wisconsin. The Sunday appearance is going |
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up against a winter storm for all of southern Wisconsin, so it could have a big impact on turnout at that venue.
The polling right now shows a close race.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:38 AM
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35. I sort of watch political pornography shows like Hardball |
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Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:39 AM by Bok_Tukalo
... and most of the "roundtable" talk about the Clinton campaign said she should not wait until March 4th and should try to blunt the Obama momentum now. I think all that talk (probably in the real world if it reached the TEEVEE) has her making some effort in the state.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:41 AM
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36. Possible. Also, she just switched campaign managers, and that may be |
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having some ripple effects, too.
Senator Clinton needs to phone up her Ivy League Alumni office and get an old English-major classmate or two to write some speeches for her. She is vulnerable on that count, IMO, under normal circumstances, nevermind against someone with Obama's orator's skill.
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:21 AM
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31. you bet she is. Monona Center. |
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Sat Feb-16-08 01:23 AM
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32. Hi, rodeodance. What is the capacity of that center? |
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And what's with the weather, anyway?
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Sat Feb-16-08 02:03 AM
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http://www.mononaterrace.com/convention/glance.htmlSunday Weather in Madison, WILooks like it is not going to be nice on Sunday, but no snow predicted for Tuesday.
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Sat Feb-16-08 02:05 AM
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38. Thank you for the info & links. |
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Agree -- the winter storm rolling in for Sunday has a mean-looking edge to it.
All clear for Tuesday.
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Sat Feb-16-08 09:51 AM
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49. Freezing rain and ice. |
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Sat Feb-16-08 12:00 AM
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21. because . . . the other states' voters and votes don't matter to Obama supporters? |
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Sat Feb-16-08 03:47 AM
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42. yep, it is Obama supporters saying 75% of states "don't matter" |
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Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 03:47 AM by CalGator
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Sat Feb-16-08 03:40 AM
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41. Hillary will declare any loss of under 20 points to be a "victory" |
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When a candidate has detached from reality, as Hillary has, they simply cannot process that they're getting their butt kicked. Her delusion is all she's got left.
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She'll have Penn do a teleconference to declare herself president during Obama's inauguration next January.
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48. While at the same time declaring Wisonsin is "insignificant." |
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