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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:47 AM
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Why does the Clinton Campaign Care so Much About Texas
I thought Texas was a state that we have no chance of winning in November, so winning it in the primary means nothing. Right????
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:49 AM
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1. First election?
I guess you must be new to the whole election cycle thing? Candidates campaign in States that they need to win...you don't know that until the primaries begin to unfold..like now. Hillary is making the right choices of where she is hitting.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:51 AM
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2. It was sarcastic. Hillary has been proclaiming that such states "don't count"...
Because, by and large, Obama has been winning them.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:52 AM
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4. I thought sometimes you dont need the sarcasm thingy...guess i was wrong
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:56 AM
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7. Answer the Clue Phone, please. It is for you.
Small-delegate states aren't as important as large-delegate states. What Clinton has written off are the smaller states that are certain to stay red in any general election. Texas, being a large and delegate-heavy state, rises far above that standard.

You're welcome.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:00 AM
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11. Right. Like Georgia. What was the excuse there? Delegates? No wait..blacks.
Now I remember why Georgia didn't count.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:10 AM
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15. Actually, Georgia has an open primary, you know pugs can
vote in primary and vote pug in November. They love screwing with us. Open primary states are very popular with pug voters. Either that, or Obama is a secret pug. Which would you prefer? If you think he is converting republicans by the score, you are wrong. Some, maybe, but not this many.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:14 AM
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17. Republicans comprised 4% of the Dem voters. Obama won by 36%.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:29 AM
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24. Texas has an open primary as well... and I was in Dekalb County when the repubs crossed-over for
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 02:31 AM by Melinda
Majette.

I was married at the time to a deep seated Clinton hating, Rush loving, RW fanatic who happened to be a heavily involved GOTV organizer against McKinney during her (I believe) 2004 re-election bid. The republicans, with the help of my ex, spent months working on their cross-over strategy to defeat Mckinney, and it worked.

And now I understand Texas is open to all as well:

"Texas will hold a presidential primary on Tuesday, March 4, 2008. The Primary will be open to any registered Texas voter who does not vote in another party's primary and who does not attend another party's political convention."

link: http://www.txdemocrats.org/the_party/article_vii_national_delegate_selection_rules

And anyone who thinks for one moment that the republican party will not cross-over to cost HRC delagates is kidding themselves.

It's written in history, and no amount of teeth-gnashing on this board is gonna change that factoid. If Texan's want their votes heard, they need to get off their asses and vote in record numbers, cause the RW is comin'.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:05 AM
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13. Yes, but they are small pug states with small vote totals.
Get it? Texas is second in population to California with New York in there somewhere and and third in size to New York, Alaska and California. I knew you were being sarcastic; however, these facts to need to be pointed out. Popular vote counts, and you garner more from big states than small ones.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:06 AM
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14. Again. See above. There's only a 4 delegate difference between Georgia and New Jersey.
Yet one state "counts" and the other doesn't. Why?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:18 AM
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18. I never said Georgia didn't count, but the win there
was doubtful as far as I'm concerned. My republican sister who lives in Atlanta told me there were many pugs at her voting place who were voting for Obama and laughing about it. They were calling it a "Cynthia McKinney" vote. I believe that Georgia is controlled by those pesky machines, also. DU had super battles trying to get something done about those machines in Georgia when Max Clelland got shafted, not to mention the now pug Governor of Georgia. Until they are in dem control, Georgia will be a red state. NJ is a blue state.

Democrats need to push for closed caucuses and primaries. Our rules are ridiculous and too easily manipulated. Yes, many of us wrote letters and complained when Cynthia got outed. Not to mention Max Cleland.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:21 AM
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20. As I told you above, Republicans comprised 4% of voters...
in the Dem primary. Obama won by 36%.

And FWIW, there is a concerted effort by Republicans in other open primary states to vote FOR Hillary, because they feel she is the easier general election candidate.

The GOP meddling all washes out in the end.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:51 AM
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3. Texas used to be a democrat state and could be again.
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:54 AM by juajen
They're pretty sick and tired of pugs. Regardless, there are delegates to gather for both candidates.

I forgot to add that winning there adds a large number of voters to your popular vote total. Its really huge, so a popular vote total of say a few million would eliminate the advantage of winning three or four small states. Get my drift?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:54 AM
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5. Virginia, Colorado, and Missouri have more chance of going blue this year
than Texas.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:18 AM
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29. Exactly! What does the Hillary supporter have to say to that?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:56 AM
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6. I Doubt It Could Go Blue Anytime Soon...
After the gerrymandering that Delay was able to get away with.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:11 AM
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16. How does gerrymandering affect
presidential elections?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:20 AM
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19. How true. That man did a lot of damage. Poor Ann Richards.
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 02:22 AM by juajen
I hope we can some day make her happy again, wherever she is.

In honor of her, I have to quote her from the 2000 democratic convention: "Poor George. He can't help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:57 AM
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8. That would be a big change
I live here and in some parts of the state the Republican Primary is the election (for local races).

I have a friend that lives in NYC. He says the same thing about the Democratic Primary.

That is a big rock to move.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:24 AM
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31. Please say "Democratic", not "Democrat"
The GOP is trying to rename our party. We can't let them! An individual person is called a Democrat, but it is the Democratic Party, or a Democratic candidate. Thanks!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:58 AM
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9. They'll drop Texas like a hot potato after March 4
Say she wins the nomination: she'll only come back to Texas for closed door fundraisers and that's it.

Hillary will run a 22 state campaign in the Fall!
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:25 AM
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22. Gosh, but you think Obama would be stomping around in Texas?
I lived in Dallas and I have two brothers who are Texans. My daughter by birth is a Texan. I love Texas and hope one day it will go back to its dem roots. They are deep.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:59 AM
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10. I would say HRC is wanting to win Texas out of respect for the
late Ann Richards, former govenor. That is just my thoughts but it would be a good and righteous win by HRC in Ms Richards beloved Texas......
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:02 AM
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12. riiight
She wants Texas because of Ann Richards.

Do you ever read your posts out loud to yourself?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:23 AM
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21. lol I doubt it I know that I can't bear to read his without self medicating.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:28 AM
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23. Actually, he is right. That is certainly one reason victory for
Hillary would be very sweet. Ann and Hillary both are great democrats, and George Bush cheated Ann Richards out of a second term as Governor. She hated him, much like Hill does now.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:33 AM
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32. That's quite a stretch. nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 02:32 AM
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25. It doesn't count....
Unless she wins it.

Then it counts extra-super-duper much.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:56 AM
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26. Hillary only cares about Texas because she incorrectly believes she will win it.
If she could have primaries in Dubai, they'd count because she could win in Dubai.

She's going to lose in Texas.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:11 AM
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27. more delegates?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:14 AM
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28. Lots of delegates and last gasp. That's it. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:22 AM
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30. That's where they are the most vulnerable.
That's why.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:33 AM
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33. Because she hasn't lost that one yet.
But she will. America is sick and tired of the hate Clinton preaches. They are embracing a new message it is now time for true American family values, time for America to understand what Democrats stand for.

Enough of this Neocon/DLC hate fest.
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