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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:21 AM
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Poll question: Vote for the Democratic Vice Presidental nominee of your choice
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 10:34 AM by MethuenProgressive
Please keep this kicked and rec'd so we can find out DU's opinion on the VP spot.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:33 AM
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1. For the record, I voted for Richardson - please kick and rec this!
:kick:
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:26 AM
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10. Looks like people are picking Clark, whom I picked months ago
He would be the logical choice for several reasons. :}
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:52 PM
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21. afternoon kick
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:35 AM
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2. I will vote other.... I think Bob Graham would be a very smart choice
He puts Florida in play is well respected and has gravitas.

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:38 AM
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4. but Richerdon would be a decent choice as well
Great resume... brings out hispanic voterrs but I am not sure he would be a good attack dog VP that is typically required.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:07 AM
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32. I'd vote for Bob Graham too.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:37 AM
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3. kick
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:51 AM
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5. Clark, Richardson in the lead so far
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:00 AM
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6. None of them. Need gravitas person, preferably w/military experience.
Clark is close...maybe him. But he doesn't really have gravitas.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:09 AM
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7. Wes Clark #1 choice...then Edwards, Biden, and Richardson. n/t
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 11:09 AM by in_cog_ni_to
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:13 AM
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8. Jim Webb or Ted Strickland
The former an Obama supporter, the latter for Clinton. Either one would be good because they could help carry the vote of some crucial states, Virginia and Ohio.

If the nominee is Clinton I'd go with Webb and if Obama I'd go wih Strickland. Such a choice might heal the rift between the two camps.
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:24 PM
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18. Second for Jim Webb
imho
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:25 PM
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19. Third for Webb. n/t
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WYObama Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:24 AM
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9. Bill Ritter
Governor of Colorado for Barack Obama's VP. For Clinton, why not her husband. It's a losing battle anyway.
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:37 AM
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11. From that list,
gotta be Clark.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:40 PM
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12. Vice Prez
I really have no ideas about this. I think Clark should be Secretary of Defense, and Edwards Attorney Gemeral, so that eliminates them.
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WYObama Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:42 PM
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13. I like those ideas a lot.
Edwards for AG, and Clark for Defense. Richardson for State. NSA maybe Madeline Albright or Jane Harman.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:14 PM
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14. Unsure, but someone with significant national security experience and popularity. Sen. Webb...
is one possibility better than the above list. My man, John Edwards, will be AG.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:19 PM
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15. Richardson. nt
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:20 PM
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16. Where's Joe Lieberman?
He would make a very good match for Obama.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:57 PM
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23. perhaps you mean Ned Lamont, Lieberman's opponent who has endorsed Obama
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:58 PM
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24. what? lieberman? a match for anyone? come on. i'm hoping he'll
shrivel up and blow away

and you're setting him up with one of our candidates?

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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:23 PM
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17. Where is Bloomberg. n/t
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:34 PM
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20. vilsak....
:eyes:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:56 PM
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22. Kathleen Sebelius, no matter who is the nominee. I think she would be excellent, and as a governor
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 05:57 PM by apocalypsehow
she has executive experience to step in and take over in the event of an emergency or the unthinkable. And she is a "Red State" governor, let us remember, which could help in the general election.

On edit: spell checker "corrected" something that didn't need to be corrected.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:00 PM
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25. 27% going to DLC members and 37% to Clinton aligned Clark
Weird. I thought the DLC was evil?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:00 PM
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26. Since this is fantasy ......
Mario Cuomo



This man would have been a GREAT president. The Democratic counter to the bilious St. Ronnie
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:01 PM
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27. Howard Dean would be the perfect candidate for me.
He is a great attack dog for the fall campaign and would make a great VP
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:01 PM
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28. Definitely not Richardson
he thinks homosexuality is a choice
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:27 PM
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29. Barney Frank acepted Bill's apology, and says it shouldn't detract from his "strong GLBT record"
Congressman Barney Franks has now weighed in on Bill Richardson's gaffe at the HRC/Logo Presidential Forum. The Representative released the following statement to The Bilerico Project today:

"Governor Bill Richardson's apology for the mistake he made in saying that sexual orientation is a choice did not surprise me, because he has been a strong supporter of our right to be treated fairly throughout his public career. It is especially relevant that he voted consistently on our side from the start of his Congressional career in the 1980s, when the issue of LGBT rights had far less support even from Democrats that it has today. I regret Gov. Richardson's misstatement - as I sometimes regret one or two of my own - but his error in the pressure of a debate should not detract from his very strong record in defense of equality for all Americans, including those of us who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender."

That's a darn good friend to come to your defense, eh? The Guv does have the best record on LGBT civil rights - hands down... Personally, I'm willing to forgive an obviously stupid mistake, but I've liked him since the beginning. Even I have to admit, if anything else happens it is going to look like he's never been educated on our issues or just isn't interested enough to learn, but this one I can forgive when I balance it against his record. Hell, I don't really care if the candidate understands the science behind homosexuality so much as I do what they'll do for my civil rights if they get in office. After all, Lincoln had no idea what made black people have a different skin color but it wasn't really pertinent to the idea of "equal." What do you think? Are you willing to forgive it as a slip of the tongue - realizing that most of our straight allies screw up something every now and then? Or are you still angry and distrustful?


http://www.bilerico.com/2007/08/barney_frank_defends_bill_richardson.php
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:06 AM
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31. Sorry I watched him in that debate and lost a lot of respect for him that day.
Even a lot of little kids understand that homosexuality is not a choice so I think that's pretty inexcusable on his part, I don't really see how it could just be a slip of the toungue. Also when he was asked if he would sign a marriage bill if it passed congress he kept saying that civil unions were more achievable, which is the dumbest possible thing to say because the question was "if the bill passed congress." By the way I wasn't super impressed with a lot of candidates that day including my own. I'd be willing to change my opinion of him though even though I disagree with him on other things to, how is his record better than the other candidates?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:39 PM
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36. I'm glad you asked.
Fighting for Equal Opportunity and Equal Rights for All Americans
http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/lgbt
Governor Bill Richardson has the strongest record of achievement of any Presidential candidate on civil rights issues and support for the LGBT community. He proudly stands for domestic partner rights and against discrimination of any kind. He believes all families deserve our respect no matter their race, creed or sexual orientation.

A Record of Accomplishment From Day One

In his very first legislative session after taking office in 2003 Governor Richardson fought for, passed and signed:

The first hate crimes law in New Mexico history.
Legislation extending civil rights protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity.
He issued an executive order to extend access to health insurance and benefits to the domestic partners of state employees.

Pushed for Domestic Partnerships in New Mexico

Earlier this year Governor Richardson called the New Mexico Legislature back into a special session to address this important issue. Unfortunately, it lost by one vote in the regular session. But Governor Richardson will bring this bill back in the 2008 session, and this time will get it passed. Additionally, with a coalition of advocates, he successfully warded off a DOMA in New Mexico – one of only a handful of states that does not have one.

A Track Record of Inclusion and Diversity

He has also appointed gay and lesbian individuals to important posts throughout his administration -- to Cabinet posts, Division Directors, and to powerful boards and commissions. He will do the same as President, leading an Administration that truly looks like America. In Fact, he has pledged that his Vice-President will be an integral member of the HIV/AIDS Commission.

An End to "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell"

And as President, he will continue to get things done. He will also end the military’s disastrous, disrespectful "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy. He voted against this as a Congressman and continues to oppose it today. It makes no sense to turn away and turn out well-qualified recruits, at a time when our country needs them most. There are currently an estimated 65,000 gay and lesbian soldiers serving in our military. They are no less patriotic and their lives and sacrifices are no less valuable because of their sexual orientation. Homosexuality is not immoral, asking someone to hide their identity and devaluing their sacrifice is.

A Commitment to Achieving Equal Rights Under the Law

Gay and lesbian families deserve respect, and as President, Bill Richardson will take a principled stand to fight for it. He strongly believes that we don’t need constitutional amendments designed to exclude supportive, devoted couples. We need to extend the rights due to all of us as Americans:

The right to visit a sick or dying partner in the hospital,
The right to make necessary legal and financial decisions when a partner can no longer do so,
The right to equal employment opportunity, and
The right to protection from violent prejudice.
A Pledge to Accomplish Full Equality for ALL Americans

As President, he will continue to fight for full and equal rights for all domestic partners, including gay and lesbian families.

Bill Richardson did all this in a "red state." With the right leadership, you can get these things done. He believes that by working together, we can accomplish the same on the national level. But before you cast your lot with any national candidate, you have to ask -- not just do they talk the talk -- but do they walk the walk? Can they get it done? As a Governor -- Bill Richardson gets things done.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:51 PM
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30. Clark 24, Richardson 12, Obama 7, Biden, Edwards, Webb lead 'others'
Poll result (68 votes)
Wes Clark (24 votes, 35%) Vote
John Edwards (5 votes, 7%) Vote
Bill Richardson (12 votes, 18%) Vote
Kathleen Sebelius (4 votes, 6%) Vote
Barack Obama (7 votes, 10%) Vote
Hillary Clinton (2 votes, 3%) Vote
Tom Vilsak (0 votes, 0%) Vote
Joe Biden (5 votes, 7%) Vote
John Kerry (1 votes, 1%) Vote
Other, please list. (8 votes, 12%)
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:09 AM
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33. Give me Russ Feingold, regardless of the presidential nominee.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:11 AM
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35. Hey, you beat me to it!
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:45 PM
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37. as much as i love russ and want him to run in '16 I don't think he's gonna help us win in november
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:24 PM
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41. Why? He's a progressive from a swing state - and outpolled Kerry in 2004.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 04:24 PM by Alexander
He's been in the Senate about 15 years and has some good foreign policy experience.

Plus, when running against McCain, it helps to have the other half of McCain-Feingold on the ticket, to neutralize the campaign finance reform issue.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:10 AM
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34. Where is Russ?
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:11 PM
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38. Obama/Gore or Clinton/Strickland
or

Obama/Edwards Clinton/Gore

or

Obama/Strickland Clinton/Pelosi

or

Obama/Pelosi Clinton/Edwards

or

I guess I would be happy with

Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:14 PM
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39. Can someone create 2 new polls for this?
Featuring all options for each Obama and Clinton?

I haven't donated recently so I can't create a poll and also like have used 2 of my 3 OP today.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:22 PM
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40. Do you have suggestions that'd fill two polls?
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nbsmom Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM
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42. Should be a woman with executive experience
There are already three Senators running. If we're trying to change DC we can't do that by pulling more folks out of Congress. What we should be looking at are the women who are already running a state...

-Janet Napolitano
-Sibelius
-Maria Shriver (okay, she's not elected but I doubt Ahnold would still be Governator if he wasn't married to her.)
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