"Talk is cheap"

[Honeycombe8]

Hillary Clinton's latest stump speech includes the theme, "talk is cheap," directed at you-know-you.

Oh, really? I say. Here are quotes from some past "cheap talk" speeches.

"I have a dream..." (MLK)

"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." (JFK)

"Four score and seven years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent a new nation...." (Abe)

"The only thing we have to fear....is fear itself." (FDR)

"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'" (Churchill)

"But you must believe me when I tell you that I have found it impossible to carry the heavy burden of responsibility and to discharge my duties as King as I would wish to do without the help and support of the woman I love." (King Edward VIII)

"I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death." (Patrick Henry)

"Indifference is not a beginning, it is an end. And, therefore, indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the aggressor -- never his victim, whose pain is magnified when he or she feels forgotten. The political prisoner in his cell, the hungry children, the homeless refugees -- not to respond to their plight, not to relieve their solitude by offering them a spark of hope is to exile them from human memory. And in denying their humanity we betray our own." (Elie Wiesel...on the holocaust)

"Duty, Honor, Country *** The unbelievers will say they are but words, but a slogan, but a flamboyant phrase. Every pedant, every demagogue, every cynic, every hypocrite, every troublemaker, and I am sorry to say, some others of an entirely different character, will try to downgrade them even to the extent of mockery and ridicule." (Gen. MacArthur)

"And we shall overcome." (LBJ)


Everything begins with talk. Hope and inspiration begin with talk. Great leaders get their ideas across through talk. It is not cheap. It costs a great deal to those who are brave enough to step up to the plate and say what is so.

[MNDemNY]

1. "I don't know the guy (Rezko) i only did 5 hours of legal work." -Barack Obama

[Windy]

5. Again, a HRC supporter reminds us of the petty immaturity that permeates her campaign!

Wow... obama bought a small parcel of land held Rezko's wife's which was next door to his home to expand his back yard. The world will stop! (and by the way, he admitted it and said it was a mistake)

Do you REALLY want people to start examining Hillary and Bill's "business" dealings?

[Eurobabe]

6. just another one to add to my exploding ignore list. n/t

[MNDemNY]

9. Stick your head in the sand! Much quieter in there.

[kikiek]

11. I don't understand why they think being put on ignore by them is bad? Who gives a rats ass.

It is a badge of honor. It only means that they don't like to hear facts.

[MNDemNY]

15. Your right, it just disheartens

me to see these Fellow Democrats (?) fall for the whole "hope" thing. Fer chrissake, they need to wake up and smell the coffee before we get President McCain, who will make Bush look like Gandhi!

[kikiek]

16. It really shows the level of despair in the country. And how it can be manipulated.

[TexasObserver]

42. No, it means you have nothing to say worth reading.

[MNDemNY]

8. Yes I do. Obama lied on national TV. Lied to the voters.

And you know there is a lot more of impropriety involved then just a sale of a piece of land. Just another example of BHO supporters naivete, championed by the candidates own ignorance and lack of judgment.And lies.

[Honeycombe8]

10. HRC's attack was speaking of his lawyer work for that client. He was truthful

He was truthful in stating that, as an associate, he was assigned to work on something, and he billed about 5 hours.

Are you saying you have proof that he did more than that, when he worked at that law firm? HRC was not speaking of any business dealings Obama may have had later. She was specific in her attack (HRC not wanting to bring up the issue of "shady business dealings," of course....the Clintons' past in that regard being shady itself.)

I know how it works in a law office. An associate has no choice about what to work on. They are employees and are assigned to work on certain matters. 5 hours would be considered almost nothing, in terms of time spent working on a matter.

Nothing wrong or immoral or unethical or shady at all in working 5 hours on a matter you're assigned to work on by your boss.

Try as you might to make Obama shady like the Clintons, I'm afraid you're just out of your territory. The Clintons really don't want to get into this area....believe me...they don't want this subject to come up anymore.

[MNDemNY]

13. Parse it how you like, it was an attempt to evade the point. A lie.

I thought BHO was a "different kind" of politician? More open and transparent. That is a bunch of shit. You know it I know it, quit putting the man on such a pedestal. He will fall hard.

[Honeycombe8]

32. No, it wasn't. HRC was being untruthful in implying there was something unethical about that work..

and implying it was a significant amount of work. The TRUTH is...it was neither.

She lies, as usual. She is continuing to be divisive. If she would only learn....if she would elevate herself and at least pretend to be an honorable, above-board, ethical politician, she would have a good chance of winning both the nomination and the G.E.

I don't know if she'll eek out (or swindle out) a nomination win, but she will never be President of the U.S. More than half the country does not trust her.

[TexasObserver]

40. I had to ...

... put him out of his misery. Every post he made was like that. Why read any more? He's a 17 percenter here.

[kikiek]

14. Nothing Obama has said rises to the level of any great historical speech.

[MNDemNY]

18. but, there are many lines suitable for the

Puppy-Dog and Butterfly hall of fame.

[kikiek]

21. It would only be proper then that he shall be seated next to the guy voted most fun to have a

beer with in the Puppy-Dog and Butterfly hall of fame.

[MNDemNY]

22. Or a line.

[kikiek]

24. That made me laugh! Needed it!

[MNDemNY]

25. Laugh away, but be careful not to "blow the mirror".

[Sulawesi]

23. JUST WOW!!!

[MNDemNY]

26. Yes, just wow.

[Sulawesi]

28. It must suck to be so angry...

[MNDemNY]

29. We can't all hang out and play with the puppy-dogs and butterflies.

[Sulawesi]

33. I have no idea what you are talking about...

I wish you the best though, i mean with respect to improving your outlook.

[ficus1]

43. Actual quotes for the factually challenged

Clinton: ...I was fighting against those ideas when you were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago. ...

Obama: I'm happy to respond. Here's what happened: I was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with this individual to do a project and I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project. That's what she's referring to.

"Obama was associated with a law firm that represented the community groups working with Rezko on several deals. There's no evidence that Obama spent much time on them, and he never represented Rezko directly. So it was wrong for Clinton to say he was "representing ... Rezko." That's untrue."

[tekisui]

2. She is playing the classic "Attack you opponents strengths"

By putting that out there repeatedly, she is attempting to nueter one of Obama's greatest strengths. It's not working.

[H2O Man]

3. Nominated.

Thank you.

[Honeycombe8]

7. Thanks!

[ginnyinWI]

4. another attack which fell flat.

The pundits and media gave it a brief airing, then it dropped out of sight, just like all the others.

[babylonsister]

12. Great post, and you're right; it's not at all cheap; the people who claim

talk is cheap have their own issues imo. Thanks for a great post. :toast:

[Freida5]

17. "You're likable enough", BO

[Freida5]

20. "I understand Sen. Clinton, when she is feeling down launches attacks"

Yeh really adds to the great rhetoric of the world

[GoldieAZ49]

19. Hillary's talk is cheap

she will say anything, do anything to get elected.

All Clinton speak is cheap.

[Strelnikov_]

27. "Four score and seven years ago . . .

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Words, just words . . .

[Honeycombe8]

30. Wow. It is still moving after all this time. He had a way with words, I'd say. nt

[Honeycombe8]

31. Oh, I forgot the most important quote from a speech! And now...for your listening pleasure....

"Our childrens is learnin'" (George W. Bush)


Well, SOME talk is cheap!:D

[Strelnikov_]

34. "You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air . . "

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Let that be realised; no survival for the British Empire, no survival for all that the British Empire has stood for, no survival for the urge and impulse of the ages, that mankind will move forward towards its goal. But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. At this time I feel entitled to claim the aid of all, and I say, "come then, let us go forward together with our united strength.

Words, just words.

[Strelnikov_]

35. Words as spoken . . .

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/usa/churchill-blood-toil.mp3

. . he did have 'buoyancy and hope' going for him.

[MadBadger]

36. Did somebody get a copy of Obama's speech tonight?

[usregimechange]

37. kick!

[hoob22]

38. Nothing wrong with giving a good speech

A well placed line can echo throughout history forever. But when somebody comes out of nowhere like Obama, produces talk and absolutely no action or experience...can't help but be a little suspicious.

[NastyRiffraff]

39. None of those people you quoted "began" with talk

Every one of those men had actions, heroic actions, to back them up.

MLK was imprisoned, and eventually killed for his beliefs. That speech was beautiful and stirring, and NOT cheap, but it didn't stand alone.

JFK comes the closest to the Obama model, but he also had solid experience to go along with his stirring words.

Abe led a country through the most challenging thing a nation can go through...a civil war. He, too, was murdered for standing up for his country.

Churchill led England through a horrible war. That speech of his was backed by experience.

Edward VIII had the courage to abdicate a throne for the woman he loved (whatever anyone may think of her). He wasn't just spouting words.

Patrick Henry paid dearly for that speech. The ultimate sacrifice for his beliefs.

What can one say about Elie Weisel, who lived through an experience we can only imagine?

General MacArthur's experience as a commander needs no explanation.

LBJ signed a bill that he knew would lose the South for Democrats for generations. He did it anyway; those words MEANT something very real to him.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

41. Talk Is Cheap? I'm sure her speechwriters don't feel the same way nt