Chelsea shows how not to win the student vote

[BeyondGeography]

Chelsea Clinton Talks Policy in Obama Territory

By JODI KANTOR
Published: February 16, 2008

The question was one she had heard before, but this time it was asked in downright hostile terms.

“Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” a student asked Chelsea Clinton on Monday at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Ms. Clinton replied: “She cast a vote based on the best available evidence. Perhaps you had clairvoyance then, and that’s extraordinary.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/us/politics/16chelsea.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203184594-XhUVT85abQXEqBcuwL/Sjw

[1awake]

1. ouch... n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

214. No doubt an Obama plant.

[miceelf]

219. Well, MP

You may be right. Chelsea may very well be an Obama plant.

[bluerum]

2. No no no, it's not clairvoyance - it's called common sense. I used to mix them up too.

[sloppyjoe25s]

114. Or actually "reading the evidence"

It's funny how those 23 senators who voted against IWR bothered to "Read the evidence".

Special kudos to my New Mexico home state senator - Jeff Bingaman who read the evidence and voted against IWR. Thank you Jeff.

Strange how that helps to fuel judgment, isn't it?

But not Mrs. Clinton - she had "political calculations" about a future run for the presidency to to work on. With the Democratic Nomination a "sure thing" - it was good political "figurin" to "look tough" for the general. Nobody wants to look weak after all.

We should give her a break - she was thinking of us, not herself.

Those political calculations do "take time" - and well - that was just time she could not give to "reading the intelligence evidence". I mean c'mon - there are only 24 hours in the day. It's a trade-off see?!?

She did her best. We should really be able to get over this piddly little issue of Iraq by now. Afterall - she is a hard worker and represents "real specific solutions" and not just "rhetoric"

[Cha]

193. Excellent sarcastic post..

and I would have even gotten it without your cool sign. ;)

hilary's bad judgement is all behind her now..from now on she'll have nothing but real principles and the good of man/womankind at heart..not just her funky ol' self.

[CorpGovActivist]

229. !

:thumbsup:

[PetraPooh]

117. Great response! You rock!

[rodeodance]

3. Good for Chelsea.

[dkf]

22. You think this is a good response?

Yikes.

And it didn't take clairvoyance to figure out it would be a disaster. Its called "having a clue".

Really, Hillary is not impressing me with her decision making. So far I see 3 disasters, her Health Care Plan, her Iraq War vote, and her Campaign.

[PresidentObama]

24. Defending her mother when somebody places wrongful blame on her? Great response.

[ORDem]

32. Her response was snarky. That doesn't win votes unless you're

trying to appeal to mouth-breathers, ... ooops, ok, I guess it was a good response for the Clintons.

[Name removed]

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[ClassWarrior]

96. I see it as a great response too. I hope she gives lots more just like it.

NGU.

[DIKB]

106. Do the math.

According to Independent British studies, as many as 1.3 million are dead due to the invasion. Divide that death toll among members of Congress who voted for the IWR (a la Peter Warrick Justice), and each is responsible for mere thousands. The writing was on the wall, we saw it prior to the war. I saw it back in 2001.

I'm not a huge Obama fan, I supported Kucinich, then Edwards, and am now waiting for you two groups to finally select a candidate I can grudgingly vote for.

[PresidentObama]

Do the math: Bush was responsible!

[ClassWarrior]

132. So you're advocating four more years of dodging responsibility?

NGU.

[PresidentObama]

139. I'm advocating we elect Hillary, and end this mess of a war.

[Hepburn]

152. Yeah, right.......

....pardon me while I fall down laughing! :rofl:

So...when does she apologize for the vote for the IWR and admit her mistake???

(Not holding my breath...but just curious as to your time table on this.)

[Omega3]

179. when does he apologize for funding the war and re-issuing the Patriot act

[Hepburn]

191. Right after she does.....

Ummmm...you left yourself open for that one, now didn't you just???

:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

154. Which one?

:rofl:

NGU.

[roguevalley]

195. he didn't do it alone. don't give our guys a pass when you won't

give it to the other side. anyone who voted on this resolution gave a psycho a go ahead and they have blame. I am just sorry that our guys didn't have more integrity and vote no.

[noamnety]

198. What on earth do you think they've done with that $300 billion?

You know it wasn't all spent on soccer balls and fixing schools, right?

[dkf]

35. That is the point, it wasn't wrongful blame.

Anyone who voted for the IWR is responsible for this mess.

John Kerry apologized, John Edwards apologized. Hillary hasn't apologized. Not only is she responsible, she won't apologize to the Iraqi people and to US.

[PresidentObama]

45. She isn't responsible. Nor is Edwards or Kerry. Bush is.

[ClassWarrior]

55. They're ALL responsibile. But only a few have taken responsibility.

And no, that doesn't negate the fact that it is still Bush/Cheney**'s occupation.

NGU.

[PresidentObama]

No, you're wrong. They aren't responsible. Bush is.

[ClassWarrior]

71. And some continue to dodge their Constitutionally-mandated responsibility.

NGU.

[Clovis Sangrail]

85. EVERYBODY who voted on this

shares in the responsibility.
Bush obviously gets the lions share, but they voted to allow him to do it.

It would be like me giving an 8 year old a loaded gun and then claiming I'm not responsible when he shoots some other kid.

[Skwmom]

66. Per the Constitution, only CONGRESS has the authority to DECLARE WAR.

[PresidentObama]

72. They gave him the authority to use force. He was the one who rushed to war.

Not Kerry. Not Edwards. And certainly not Hillary.

Bush is to blame. Not Hillary.

[ClassWarrior]

75. They abdicated the authority to use force.

NGU.

[enough already]

215. That's like giving an alcoholic a bottle of whiskey and acting surprised that he drinks it

Responsibility...not a big character trait in the Clintons.

[bvar22]

203. Absolving Hillary of responsibility is an INSULT to ALL of these Democrats!

The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

IWR

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu

[Straight Shooter]

122. Kerry apologized, Edwards apologized, and then they were accused of pandering.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Let's see how the right wing would react if someone asked Jenna or Barbara the same question in a hostile manner. Do we have a video, what was Chelsea's tone of voice and expression of face when she responded?

Let's all leap over the Grand Canyon, because that's the conclusion lies on the other side.

[BlackVelvet04]

182. Exactly....

if she apologized she would get painted as a flip flopper just like Kerry. The Obamabots wouldn't accept the apology....they just want to see her grovel.

[catgirl]

239. That is just a plain assinine thing to say

Thge apology should go to all the victims of this "war". The Iraqi civilians,
the soldiers, the military families and anyone who voted for these politicians.

Obamabots- oh please.

[ClassWarrior]

37. Wow, a child defended her mother!! Unheard of!!

:eyes:

NGU.

[earthside]

63. 27 Year Old 'Child'

This Clinton family affair is getting pretty tiresome,

[VolcanoJen]

116. No wonder she won't take questions from the press.

Judging from her shitty response to that student, she probably shouldn't be taking questions from voters, either.

[Libby2]

125. My child is 27 too....he will always be MY child.

[rodeodance]

168. Do you know anything about a healthy mother-daughter bond??

[ClassWarrior]

170. Sure, most humans have it. Why do you consider it so extraordinary here?

NGU.

[miceelf]

238. True

But most children don't have to resort to silly straw man and insulting arguments to defend their parents.

[DefenseLawyer]

Keep your pimp hand strong, Chelsea n/t

[PresidentObama]

48. Damn skippy!! I wonder if David Shuster planted the question n/t

[rodeodance]

91. you should be ashamed of your self!

[Clovis Sangrail]

68. how was that wrongfully placing blame?

how Hillary voted is a matter of record.
The question was "has she shown any remorse".. perfectly valid.

[PresidentObama]

76. Saying Hillary is personally responsible for the death of a million people?

That's not wrongfully placing blame.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression BUSH was the one who rushed us into this war.

[rodeodance]

103. Its what so many here on DU believe unfortunately!!

[dkf]

129. You are right. I do believe it.

Frankly I feel a little responsible, even though I knew it was coming and was adamantly against it.

But it is our country that has done this and it is my taxpayer money that is going towards it.

As Americans, we are all tainted with this brush. Hillary is one of the few hundred people DIRECTLY responsible for this war. She needs to take that responsibility, but she hasn't.

[ClassWarrior]

137. What's unfortunate is that so many enable her to deny her share of it.

NGU.

[Clovis Sangrail]

141. then you're under the wrong impression

Bush did take us into war with Iraq.
Congress, however, after the rest of the world had already figured out that Bush was spoiling for a fight with Iraq, decided to give him authorization to use force against Iraq.
They can talk about it only being authorization as "a last resort" but that's bullshit meant for the sheep.
Their votes conscripted the Iraqi people to a life of hell.
Many of us, and even many of them, knew it at the time... and time has proved that that is EXACTLY what that vote did.

(that doesn't even get into everybody who voted for that abdicating their RESPONSIBILITIES regarding declarations of war)

Regarding "saying Hillary is personally responsible for the death of a million people":
that's something YOU said... not ME and NOT the question that was asked of Chelsea.

She was asked if her mother has shown any remorse for the fact that her vote had cost millions of lives.
EVERYBODY who voted to give the boy prince the authority to go to war shares in the responsibility for the consequences of that vote.

Honestly, I'm flabbergasted that it doesn't keep Hillary (or anybody else who voted for it) up at night.
I know I'd be carrying around a MASSIVE amount of guilt if I had voted for that.
I think denying that guilt entirely is subhuman.

[WildEyedLiberal]

209. I am not a Hillary fan but I agree

It was a stupid, rude "question" that was nothing but empty, heated, rhetoric - Chelsea showed exactly the amount of respect she was given. Kudos to her for not stammering out some lame excuse.

Hillary Clinton is not my choice for president for a variety of reasons, but rehashing a 5 year old vote is getting very tiresome. Examine what the candidates are saying - and doing in the Senate - about Iraq NOW, not what they said or did five years ago. Good lord.

[WolverineDG]

4. Best available evidence?

I thought she didn't read the intelligence reports (fixed up as they were) before voting for the war.

:shrug:

dg

[dkf]

5. Getting defensive...

[rodeodance]

121. "The question was one she had heard before, but this time it was asked in downright hostile terms."

[Terry_M]

6. Wow.. Clairvoyance...

If HRC didn't know what she was voting us into, she wasn't pay attention, for which there was no excuse.
If even lunatic Ron Paul knew why didn't she?

[Skip Intro]

19. Who'd you vote for in 04?

[dkf]

Howard Dean!!! Then I had to vote for Kerry :(

[Skip Intro]

49. you actually cast a vote for a man responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqis?

[Terry_M]

70. Oh come on

This is a you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't, and you're damned if you stay home question.
If DKF instead posted that he stayed home, you would've said he helped reelect the man who was responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqis. Same thing if he voted for Bush or Nader.
Congratulations on not making any point whatsoever that doesn't have any relevance to this topic anyway.

[Skip Intro]

88. Did you even read the op? Why would that label apply to Hillary but not Kerry?

you can't have it both ways - if Hillary with evil in her heart voted to kill a million Iraqis, then so did Kerry - party or not, if that is the view, if that is how we frame a yes vote on the IWR, then how can you vote for any of them, whatever the situation.

point is, it is a bullshit label - the war on Iraq is a product of the bush gang - Kerry, nor Hillary, nor Edwards, voted to kill a million Iraqis - they said in their statements at the time that it was not a vote for pre-emptive war. You can see the foolishness of that label when it is applied to Kerry, but not Hillary. Why is that?

[Terry_M]

102. I see it when applied to Kerry as well

I never said I didn't. However, anyone who didn't vote for Kerry (stayed home/voted for Nader) would according to you and many others here have voted in favor of Bush anyway.

Why didn't Hillary (or Kerry, or anyone else) ask these questions? Many of the US population sure were asking them. Were they all clairvoyant? Was RON FREAKING PAUL clairvoyant too?

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002.htm

[dkf]

79. Both of them did. I guess I should have sat out the election.

Really I had a hard time doing it.

On second thought you are right. I apologize for voting for John Kerry.

And I will never ever vote for another person who authorized the war in Iraq.

You are good to hold me to my principles. Thank you.

[Skip Intro]

99. I voted for Kerry too. The label doesn't apply to him OR Hillary. It was and is bush's war.

I was just trying to illustrate the insanity of saying any of them voted to kill a million Iraqis.

[dkf]

Our country has invaded another country for no good reason.

We are all responsible, and if you as an American citizen don't feel that weight, then you don't understand what we have done.

Some people were even more responsible, because they gave this authority to a guy that had all these cockamamie ideas about causing chaos in the middle east to change it, and someone who covets oil.

Actions have consequences. Hillary's actions landed up contributing to the killing of a million Iraqis. She needs to deal with it.

For me, I will do what I can to fix what this country has done. And I think it will be healing to the world to see an American President who did not want us to go to war in Iraq.

[Alexander]

161. Some people hold their nose when voting in the GE.

Many of us Dean supporters did so with Kerry.

Many of us Obama supporters will do so again if it's Hillary.

Doesn't mean we're going to enjoy it.

[ClassWarrior]

174. Yes, just as I'll likewise cast a vote for Sen. Clinton, if she gets the nod.

That doesn't absolve her of her responsibility for the consequences of her vote.

NGU.

[Terry_M]

52. I liked Dean too :(

Too bad everyone went for mr. electable who even after getting the nomination couldn't take a step to clearing the whole flip-flopper thing up without taking 2 steps back in some interview on TV.

[Whisp]

20. I guess I should open up shop - I'm clairvoyant

and so were MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE. Millions marching and protesting.

[L0oniX]

7. Anyone who searched the internet could have found out, Iraq was not a threat nor did it have nukes.

Perhaps Chelsea is computer illiterate.

[CTLawGuy]

8. I would ask

"why did your mom decide to move to NY in 2000? She's never lived there. She doesn't have family there. I can't recall any other special connection... There was that open senate seat. But I'm at a loss. I give up."

[PresidentObama]

9. The question was dumb. Hillary isn't responsible for the loss of a million lives.

This is her daughter. Who doesn't expect her to get angry and defensive when an idiot asks such a dumb question, and trys to put blood on Hillary's hands for something she isn't responsible for.

If somebody lied about my mother that way, I'd probably get in their face.

Good for Chelsea!

[ORDem]

23. If the question was dumb (it was not) then she could have

addressed it in an intelligent manner from that perspective without insulting the questioner.

Of course you can argue that HRC was not directly responsible for the Iraq War, but she's certainly complicit. Obama had enough sense to oppose the vote. He voted his principles versus what was politically expedient at the time.

:dem:

[PresidentObama]

30. It's her mother, when someone is accusing your mother of causing the death of a million people...

...let me know if you don't get defensive and angry.

I think she handled herself well.

Obama opposed the vote. But he wasn't in the Senate.

And he's said he doesn't know how he would have voted if he was.

Look, Hillary was wrong for her vote. But she isn't responsible for those deaths like the questioner said. George W. Bush and his Republican thugs are.

[ORDem]

38. Then I guess it's a wonder Chelsea didn't start bawling. n/t

[musicblind]

110. You are, apparently, a rather uninformed voter

if you think that Obama voted his conscience on the Iraq War. First, he was not in the Senate at the time, and once he got into the Senate he voted to fund the War REPEATEDLY!

If you don't like Hillary, just be honest and say it has to do with Hillary, and not with her Iraq vote. Like Bill Maher put it. If you HATE Hillary Clinton... that doesn't say anything about Hillary... it says something about YOU.

And I can't imagine anyone who is more anti Iraq War than Bill Maher.

[dkf]

43. I would like it if she would apologize for her mother's vote.

If my mom made a huge mistake like her mom did, I would.

[WilyWondr]

69. She is more responsible than

99.999999% of the population.

The only person more responsible would be *

[PresidentObama]

80. Actually most of the country got behind Bush and this war in the beginning Are they responsible too?

[dkf]

I would have to say yes.

They all didn't do their homework.

[PresidentObama]

104. Blame Americans. Blame Democrats. But lets not blame the real person responsible....

GEORGE W. BUSH!!

Not Hillary Clinton.

Not John Kerry.

Not John Edwards.

And not the American people.

BUSH. BUSH. BUSH.

Got it? Or are you still trying to blame Hillary for the death of a million lives?

[VolcanoJen]

138. Who are the two people on your list who have not expressed remorse over their IWR vote?

Just curious.

[VolcanoJen]

143. You act as though opposing the war in those days was no big whoop.

It was BRAVE to oppose the war loudly and vocally in 2002-2003. To this day I applaud all public figures and elected officials who tried to stop this nation from embarking on this deadly journey.

Remember the Dixie Chicks?

[PresidentObama]

149. I was against the war from the start. I don't need a lecture on those who opposed the war.

But thank you...

[VolcanoJen]

156. If that's the case, then seriously, why doesn't Hillary's position infuriate you?

There are many, many issues on which she and Obama are evenly matched, but the war is not one of them.

I understand why she voted for the IWR then, I really do. And I'm willing to forgive her that. But it just doesn't make sense to me that she still stubbornly refuses to repudiate that one vote, to express remorse over it. And I honestly think that's why she's losing this race.

[PresidentObama]

159. Because I understand why her and others voted the way they did.

I'm infuriated by George W. Bush, who took the authority to use force is necessary and rushed to war prematurely and botched the entire war leaving us hated around the world and looking like complete fools.

I don't agree with her vote. But I supported John Kerry in 2004, John Edwards in 2008, and now Hillary Clinton. I don't agree with any of their votes. But I didn't have the same information they did, I didn't have the same pressures they did, and I didn't have the incredible responsibility of giving Bush the authority they did. They made a mistake. John Edwards and John Kerry have admitted so. Hillary Clinton is free to say it was a mistake or not, that's up to her.

I, for one, don't blame her for this mess in Iraq. I blame George W. Bush.

The man responsible.

[dkf]

166. Hah! Doesn't it scare you that you are smarter than your candidate?

I always try to vote for people that are smarter than me.

[juajen]

190. You know, some of you are missing the point.

The Clintons could have lost Chelsea in that attack. They couldn't find her for two hours, and she was supposed to be in the vicinity.

Our whole country was in a state of anger and wanted retaliation. Hillary Clinton was and is the Senator from the state that was attacked and damaged horribly. I remember vividly how all of our congress gathered in support of Bush. His approval rating at that time was 95%. He had only been in office a short while. Hillary did not know that her President would lie blatantly to start a war. No one did. Sure, we disagreed with him, but dems are always against war. Most of America wanted retaliation and Congress had to do something. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Americans were demanding our President and Congress do something!

Hillary had to represent her state, and, at that time she did. However, she has stated that she did not give him permission to go to war; but that she knew he needed a big stick to influence Sadaam Hussein, a man who her own husband believed had those weapons. She wanted the inspections to go forward, and was promised by this sorry excuse for a president that they would. No one knew what a complete charlatan he was. Everybody needs to let this go. She did the best and only thing she could do at the time. I'm not surprised at all that she refuses to apologize. As someone else said, look at what that got Kerry and Edwards.

[WilyWondr]

28. Good tactic

Blame the questioner.


That will work out good for you and her.

I do like Chelsea and do not blame her for having a difficult problem aswering the question, but her mom has put her in this unwinable position.

I feel bad for Chelsea.

[PresidentObama]

I do blame the questioner. For lying and placing false blame on Hillary for those deaths.

That questioner should be asking that to George W. Bush's daughters and not Hillary Clintons.

[dkf]

47. I blame Hillary too. She didn't understand Iraq and she didn't understand George W. Bush.

Two failures of understanding.

[goclark]

128. For someone so "experienced" she should have at least

been able to say she made a mistake.

Her daughter is grown and she spoke exactly the words her mother would have spoken.

I am so disappointed in both of them - all three of them.

[Iktomiwicasa]

39. Blame the questioner...

...blame the voter, blame anyone else instead of taking responsibility. That is the biggest reason I won't vote for Hillary.

[PresidentObama]

59. In case you didn't realize it, the questioners lied in their question.

So yes, blame the questioner.

[tekisui]

90. It is her standard Modus Operandi.

[VolcanoJen]

140. Bingo.

:thumbsup:

[VolcanoJen]

53. There are millions and millions of us who do not believe that question is dumb.

You, apparently, are not one of them.

[PresidentObama]

62. It is dumb. If you want to place false blame on Hillary, go ahead.

George W. Bush is the person that question should be posed to.

[VolcanoJen]

73. George W Bush did not take us to war alone.

He did it with the majority of Congress.

And to this day, I hold all of them responsible.

[PresidentObama]

84. Yes, yes he did. They gave him the authority. Not to rush us into war.

And a majority of Americans were behind him giving him the thumps up, waving the American flag.

Are you going to blame them too?

[VolcanoJen]

105. Yes, actually, I do blame the majority of Americans who gave their support.

And I always thought Paul Begala put it best when it comes to the vote for the Iraq War Resolution:

"As opposition to the war has grown, some of the Democrats who supported it began to claim their vote was to put pressure on Iraq - that they voted merely to give the president the option to go to war. Bunk. The war resolution was a blank check. Senator Robert Byrd told his colleagues during debate on the resolution that they were "handing the president unchecked authority." The language of the resolution could not have been clearer: "The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" against Iraq."

We can rehash this over and over and over. But Bush, Clinton, and the majority of Americans were on the wrong side of history then, and those who do not denounce their IWR vote remain on the wrong side of history now.

[dkf]

101. George Bush likes that we are still in Iraq. He thinks he has done us a favor.

This is the man that Hillary Clinton gave her authority to.

He feels no guilt so obviously he is not going to apologize.

Sadly, she feels no guilt either or she would apologize.

[ORDem]

10. I call BS on Chelsea!

Anyone with half a brain knew what was going to happen if authority was given to Bush to invade. This ain't rocket science.

I agree, that's no way to win votes, though, but disrespecting the questioner. She probably gets tired of shilling for her mom, though.

:dem:

[noamnety]

11. Wow.

"You are way out of line holding my mother accountable for the results of her actions." served up with a big pile of arrogance and rudeness. Not cool.

[L0oniX]

29. Ah ...feel the pimp luv

:sarcasm:

[noamnety]

31. excuse me? (nt)

[monktonman]

12. So she's an asshole like her dad. n/t

[PresidentObama]

93. Calling great Democrats assholes. Karl Rove would be proud n/t

[monktonman]

227. His behavior as of late has proven him to be a "great" asshole.

Just my opinion.
I also think he was just better than the other guys, not so great.

[JVS]

13. I can't blame Chelsea, she's just repeating the campaign line on the issue.

I do find it sad that she's not better informed though.

[noamnety]

26. She's an adult.

She's responsible for the words that come out of her mouth, just like her mother is responsible for the decisions she made.

I hate that the question is characterized as "hostile" because it uses accurate words to express the question, rather than using abstract language to define war.

[JVS]

51. I'll just blame the mom. She put her kid in a tough situation by sending her out there...

and I'm sure Chelsea herself has been lied to on this issue a lot.

[noamnety]

194. again, she's an adult.

She made the choice to speak at campaign events. If she only wants softball questions, she shouldn't be doing this.

I think it's infantilizing her to act like her mother "sent" her out there.

[Yael]

200. She is 27, employed by a Wall Street hedge fund and working on her graduate degree

She isn't a kid anymore.

That said, campaigning isn't for everyone. I struggle with phone banking and that is just one on one.

[Whisp]

36. she probably is better informed

but her stage parents couldn't abide by dissention.

I don't know why she's on the trail, she seems so Painfully shy and uncomfortable (at least in the vids I have seen of her) , she sounds like she needs some self esteem program or something.

why she gets dragged around on this campaing, but reporters can't interview her, and questioners are now being treated like morons for asking important things...

I'm sure she is Very conflicted over this.

[eleny]

14. Time to yank her from the campaign trail for a little r&r

[Colobo]

15. Bill Clinton and Chelsea are great assets... to Obama's campaign.

:)

[Eurobabe]

41. 8D

:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

16. There were very few Progressives on the planet...

...who didn't know what Sen. Clinton suddenly finds so surprising.

NGU.

[DefenseLawyer]

17. Cool! I'm clairvoyant!

Time to go buy a powerball ticket.

[pdxmom]

18. Wow! I never knew I had clairvoyance and was extraordinary! N/T

[dailykoff]

21. Fine, let's say Barack is extraordinary.

Chelsea gets it!

[DS1]

25. what an obnoxious tool she is

edit: Pointing how manufactured she is runs against the unwritten rules, apparently.

[PresidentObama]

40. Wow, resorting to talking about Chelsea Clintons looks.

Karl Rove, is that you?

John Kerry looks French. And John Edwards has the hair of a pony.

[Skip Intro]

78. what a piece of shit post - cracking on her looks? Hate only harms the hater, ds1.

[Hoof Hearted]

236. Please feel free to use this image at your discretion.

[ericgtr]

27. Like mother like daughter I guess

there is going to be a lot of those type of statements/questions and this is probably a good time to learn a better approach other than taking them personally. I feel for her being out there like this, I really do. She's young and sort of being thrust into this situation for better or worse. Hopefully she'll learn to handle this type of thing.

[THUNDER HANDS]

33. no wonder she doesn't talk to the press

[GOPBasher]

34. "Clairvoyance"? Seriously? It didn't take much to know what was going to happen.

Plenty of people did.

[dailykoff]

46. Barack knew

so that makes him clairvoyant AND extraordinary. Well done Chelsea!

[dkf]

54. Haha. She gives him a lot of credit, doesn't she?

[dailykoff]

95. I guess 35 years of experience didn't give her much clairvoyance.

:shrug:

[enough already]

216. Hillary is in the solution business, not the clairvoyance business

Remember, she'll be ready on day one. For what, I'm not sure, which is surprising since I'm apparently clairvoyant.

[dailykoff]

218. Ready to take out Iran is my guess

like all her neocon sugardaddies want her too. Frankly she scares me more than McCain.

[arewenotdemo]

232. I fully agree. She's been channeling Cheney for some time now.

[jasmine621]

130. Nobody really "knew." At first it looked like it was a huge success

until Bush decided to occupy the country. I was against the war from the beginning but not because I "knew" what the outcome would be like. It was just because I am against war, period. In any conflict, there are going to be lives lost. As the Senator from NY, she made a decision that most of us would have done, less it appear to not support the families of the victims of 9/11. Fully one-third of the dittoheads still believe that Saddam was behind 9/11 and that was the shit the Bush administration and the media, that now slimes Hillary, tried to make us believe. Hillary did not believe that Saddam was behind 9/11 but she believed that he was dangerous and might have a means to hurt us in the future. This shit about the IWR is just a bullshit reason to not support someone, especially when a lot of folks crying about it now supported Kerry BEFORE he said his vote was a mistake.

[dailykoff]

220. Maybe nobody knew it would bite them in the ass like it has.

But they knew it was wrong. Yes, it was a catch-22 engineered by the WH to take out presidential hopefuls like Kerry and Clinton. It didn't help Kerry and it sure isn't helping Clinton. But that's the risk they both took and they knew what they were doing.

[Clovis Sangrail]

42. she didn't answer the question

it WASN'T "does she think she made the best choice given what she knew"
it WAS "has your mother shown any remorse" for the Iraqis who have died because of that choice?

[JimGinPA]

44. I Wonder If That's Going To Be Their New Talking Point...

And all these Hillary supporters here talk about arrogance!:nuke:

[gaiilonfong]

50. Ol' HEDGE FUND Chelsea another triangulating Clinton

Who wudda thunk?

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Tell us about that hedge fund ya work for Miss Chelsea???

[Common Sense Party]

237. Not that I'm a Clinton fan, but....what's the big deal about a hedge fund?

There's nothing inherently evil about a hedge fund.

[Stephanie]

56. No wonder they've never let her speak before!

Wow. Snippy Miss.

[rodeodance]

57. "And, two, get back to the Constitution and ensuring that everyone is held to the same standard."

Clinton was asked what her mother would do to reign in mercenary guards in Iraq.

"One, she'll end the war in Iraq," Clinton said. "And, two, get back to the Constitution and ensuring that everyone is held to the same standard. And, also get back to the old fashioned idea of habeas corpus, which is also why she's advocated shutting down Guantanamo for years and setting up a transparent legal system for inmates there."
……..

Chelsea Clinton talks about education, Iraq, health care, ect. in Wisconsin


http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-news_local.asp?id=BFP4J8ITAIR

[onehandle]

58. I wonder if that student was a Democrat?

Doubtful.

[Blue-Jay]

60. Holy shit! I'm a psychic!

I Did Not Know That.

[JVS]

208. I knew you were a psychic long ago

Because I'm all clairvoyant and that!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

224. Me too!

We're some pretty clairvoyant folks around here! :hi:

[Skwmom]

61. My response: Clairvoyance? Hmm.. well I 've sometimes wondered if your mother had clairvoyance

or a psychic consult that went bad, since she didn't find it necessary to read the national intelligence report? But then again, maybe she was to busy focusing on furthering her career and her future job interview for commander-in-chief (though giving George Bush a blank check to go to war hardly seems the way to build a strong resume).

[lame54]

64. Did she quote McCain after that?..."You little jerk"

[dailykoff]

74. Next she'll be quoting Cheney.

a.k.a. Uncle Dick.

[DefenseLawyer]

83. I think she quoted Wayne Brady

"Is Chelsea Clinton gonna have to choke a bitch?"

[dkf]

111. I would have PAID to see that. Damn.

[Barack_America]

65. 24 members of the Senate and Barack Obama apparently possess "clairvoyance".

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00235

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[PresidentObama]

100. Barack Obama wasn't in the Senate, and said he didn't know HOW he would have voted.

http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/10/fact-obama-admits-he-doesnt-know-how-he-would-have-voted-on-iraq-war-proposal

'Present' maybe?

Oh wait, that's not an option ;)

[Barack_America]

133. Please read my title carefully.

"24 members of the Senate AND Barack Obama", not "24 members of the Senate INCLUDING Barack Obama".

I'm aware of when he joined the Senate, thank you. And if that speech doesn't tell you how he would've voted, nothing will. Please leave his remarks while the press tried to trap him into nailing Kerry in 2004 out of this.

[PresidentObama]

145. He said he didn't know how he would have voted. Too bad "Present" isn't an option, huh?

[Barack_America]

162. Ahahahaha! Oh that's clever.

Not.

Oh yeah, he totally should've thrown Kerry under the bus. That's what true Democrats do to their colleagues, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv3-_ZKo638

[PresidentObama]

165. So he lied on how he would have voted to save Kerry?

Ah, ok.

[Barack_America]

172. He dodged the question. You're a Clinton fan, you should be familiar with that tactic.

It's straight out of Bill's book.

Apparently (and ironically) you seem to be a bigger Clinton fan than a Kerry fan, despite your moniker.

[PresidentObama]

178. Excuse me, but don't assume things about me.

I planned on support John Kerry for President right up onto he announced he wasn't running. Then I was for Edwards for a year. So how am I this big Clinton fan?

I like the Clintons. Bill was a great President, and Hillary would make a great one as well.

No need to distort me.

[Barack_America]

186. Lol. I don't think that it takes much of an assumption.

Your handle is Kerry2008 and yet your avatar and sig lines are both for Hillary. Hence, I think that you can safely assume that you are a fan of both Kerry and Hillary. And, in your previous post, you defended Hillary over Kerry.

So there you go, not much assumption required at all!

[PresidentObama]

192. Is Kerry running? Of course, I support Hillary. And have her as my avatar.

Senator Kerry isn't running.

And I don't need a lecture from you on who I support over another.

I always have been and will always be a Kerrycrat!!

No matter what you assume.

[arewenotdemo]

230. That is one scary-assed video.

:scared:

[enough already]

217. Cut him some slack. He's obviously not clairvoyant n/t

[DS1]

199. As did the over 100,000 people who marched with me in Oct 2002

But hey, what did we know?

[no name no slogan]

67. ...

[madmom]

77. Look out Chelsea you're next ... let's see there was John Kerry, Joe Wilson,

Cindy Sheehan, John Edwards, (who am I forgetting?) Who are we going after next?

[dailykoff]

82. John Kerry endorsed Obama

so the swiftboating came from you know who.

[madmom]

157. I don't care who does it, it's stupid and two wrongs don't make a right!

[FormerDittoHead]

126. You forgot Ed Rendell. The "welcome wagon" runs over everyone that gets in the way of its "HOPE"

The wagon then stops at the "big tent" which everyone will get in before it's set on fire...

I'm out of metaphors.

[rodeodance]

81. ASSumption by OP: 1. that all students are single issue voters and WRONGLY claims

That Chelsea shows how not to win the student vote.

[Chasing Dreams]

87. Millions of us knew that there were no WMDs

Chelsea just lost my future vote.

[noamnety]

205. I definitely misjudged her.

I gave her too much credit and was actually offended when people were suggesting lobbing her idiot nobrainer "questions" like: "I'd just tell her what an outstanding person she has become, and she's an inspiration to young women everywhere" or "who is her favorite female role model?" like she was incapable of answering a difficult question. Apparently those people were right, I was wrong.

Her head probably would have exploded if I'd be able to ask what I really want one of them (any of them, Clinton or Obama or McCain) to answer: "How did/do they feel about the sanctions against Iraq in the 90s? Was that a good policy? Given all the deaths it resulted in (from the sanctions, not the following occupation), do they feel it was worth it?"

[dkf]

115. Students don't want to get drafted.

I would guess they are more Iraq conscious than all the older folk who are out of draft range.

[Bread and Circus]

89. I guess that means Obama has ESP... because he called it word for word.

[PresidentObama]

97. FACT: Obama said he didn't know how he would have voted on the IWR.

http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/10/fact-obama-admits-he-doesnt-know-how-he-would-have-voted-on-iraq-war-proposal

[dailykoff]

135. Here's what he said: "That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason

but on passion, not on principle but on politics."

full speech: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[PresidentObama]

146. Here's what he also said: "I don't know" when asked how he would have voted on the IWR.

[dailykoff]

148. Nobody knows the unknowable, but his speech of Oct 2, 2002

is about as good an indicator as we've got.

[golddigger]

92. Jodi Kantor is a hack. Obama's pastor speaks out:

An open letter to the NYT.

Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, published an open letter on March 11, 2007 to Jodi Kantor at the NYTs. The open letter, reprinted in its entirety in this article, strongly rebuked Kantor for wildly distorting an interview that Wright had granted to the NYT.

Wright began his letter, "Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the truth I ever seen in Sixty-five years.

More at www.fave.com--On fave search type in Jodi Kantor for more of this article.

[rodeodance]

98. thanks. but Obamafolks are having their fun ripping Hillary/Chelsea.

[Window]

94. Dayum!

Peace:thumbsup:

[Terry_M]

107. Chelsea declares Ron Paul is clairvoyant. n/t

[emilyg]

108. Excellent response by Chelsea.

[dailykoff]

109. She's got a point: who knew the MIC was planning a hundred-year war?

Hey, we knew that one too!

[rodeodance]

112. There is really a great photo of Chelsea and students at this link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/us/politics/16chelsea.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203185869-o/vVvwks9DJKUO2nu7icRw

[nomorewhopper]

113. NO REMORSE, NO APOLOGIES, NO SELF REFLECTION

never admit you are wrong, never admit you made a mistake

[GarbagemanLB]

118. reminds me of the current President!

[IndianaGreen]

234. Hillary shares several personality traits with Bush

including an inability to admit they made a mistake.

[Terry_M]

119. That sounds familiar...

Now where am I remembering that from... Oh, yes... I think I remember now.. THE LAST 7 YEARS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.

[Beausoir]

120. Aaaand...there goes Chelsea under the wheels of the Obamanation bus!

Nice work, kids.

[arewenotdemo]

231. Obviously out of her element, and needs to get back to her hedge funds job, ASAP.

[Medusa]

123. Hot damn! I'm psychic!

Cause dear Chelsea, I hate to inform you of this, there were QUITE a few of us who were extremely upset about the possibility of going to war in Iraq from Day 1. Unfortunately, your mother chose to capitulate to popular opinion at that time and vote for the war. She was too afraid not too. Once again, she let her decision making be based upon popular opinion polls and focus groups. And look where it got us. It's not called being psychic--it's called being informed and unafraid to stand up to "popular opinion". Really, your Mom should give it a try sometime!

[otohara]

134. And I Just ThoughtThey Were LYING

turns out I'm psychic too!

[rodeodance]

124. "The question was one she had heard before, but this time it was asked in downright hostile terms."

[GarbagemanLB]

131. It must annoy her to keep hearing about the subject that will ultimately end her mom's aspirations.

[rodeodance]

142. no, more like she knows how to dish it back to Rude smartypants!--Good for her.

[dailykoff]

127. CLAIRVOYANCE -- October 2, 2002:

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

-- from a speech by Barack Obama, Chicago, October 2, 2002

link: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

[nomorewhopper]

144. great speech

[PresidentObama]

147. He also doesn't know he would have voted on the IWR.

[dailykoff]

150. A diplomatic answer. But his speech of Oct 2, 2002 says otherwise.

Sorry.

[PresidentObama]

155. Actually, nope it doesn't.

I don't see anywhere in that speech him saying he would have voted nay on the IWR if he was in the Senate.

He answered that question, and his answer?

I don't know.

[dailykoff]

158. He called it a war based "not on principle but on politics,"

and said he opposed such wars, which means he would have opposed the IWR that authorized such a war.

[PresidentObama]

163. How many times do I have to say it. He said he didn't know how he would have voted on IWR.

Until you can pull up a quote from the time suggesting otherwise, then you're wrong.

[dailykoff]

164. Fine, but based on his speech of Oct. 2, 2002, we do.

And we know how Hilly voted, and we know why.

[Alexander]

169. You keep peddling that lie - in that same quote he said "the case was not made".

You Shillbots really are getting desperate with all the lies you're trying to get people to believe.

[Diane R]

210. The speech of a future President.

[Vinca]

136. Maybe it's best for all concerned if Chelsea remains in the bubble. nt

[Hepburn]

151. Not good, Chesea...

...what you said is a turn off to most of the electorate. :spank:

[dailykoff]

153. This is like in "Citizen Kane" where he tries to turn her into an opera star

and the light bulb finally goes out. Poof.

[MadBadger]

160. I swear, I didnt ask the question.

[dailykoff]

167. Memo to Clinton warroom: next time send the taser squad

to cover for Chelsea.

[ShortnFiery]

173. All the positive press would lead me to believe that butter wouldn't melt in Chelsea's mouth.

Oh my, she said something that could be construed as mean-spirited or bitter?!? :wow:

Oh the horror! That would not be in line with her image of "perfection personified" that many HRC adores would DEMAND that we believe of such a child of political royalty. :shrug:

[dailykoff]

177. You'd think by now they'd have given her a decent answer

that would allow her to gracefully punt. Or you'd think she'd have thought of one herself, ya know? :shrug:

[DURHAM D]

171. Go Chels.

What she really wanted to say was "Fuck off asshole".

[ShortnFiery]

176. "What she really wanted to say was 'Fuck off asshole'."

The campaign's not over yet, maybe she will drop the mask? :evilgrin:

That is, if she turns as bitter as her mom and dad, that would be a logical conclusion.

They have, after all burst Chelsea's OFF-LIMITS bubble by throwing her out in the middle of a hard fought campaign.

Time will tell if she truly is the "perfect person" that so many HRC adorers have painted her since The Clintons first landed in the WH. :shrug:

[DURHAM D]

180. Bitter - bitter you say. You are the poster child for bitter. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

183. I have no reason to be bitter because "the truth" about The Clintons' mortality is being aired

They are NOT Gods and Goddesses, just political royalty. I am tired of having to stand up for The Clintons when what they do is NOT RIGHT. It's time to "let go" of them being inevitable for the 3rd Executive Branch term. It's well beyond time for The Clintons to go back to New York.

I'm not bitter at all now. Instead, I'm thankful that more and more people are realizing that "The Clintons" are not synonymous with "The Democratic Party." :shrug:

[DURHAM D]

184. Bitter is as bitter does. n/t

[dailykoff]

185. And 'Fuck off asshole' is bitter.

But that's just me.

[DURHAM D]

197. Not bitter - just appropriate response to a jerk.

Feeling protective today?

[enough already]

221. So now current students who think this war is an abomination are 'jerks'?

It's easy to see why the coronation has been postponed.

[ecstatic]

175. I was going to attack, but seriously--can you blame her for sticking up for her mom?

I wouldn't want somebody to say that about my mom either. Chelsea's response was tame and reserved.

We all know the content of her answer was BS-it damn sure didn't take clairvoyancy to know that Bush and his gang of warmongering thugs had ulterior motives for the war. However, her response in this case is justified purely due to the tone of the asker.

[ShortnFiery]

181. Yes, I can when the response was inane. Chelsea is 27 yo not 12. It's time to stop making excuses

for her. After all, she may get into politics like both her parents and needs to know that there are no "free passes" for ADULT Children of politicians. :shrug:

[grantcart]

187. What it shows is exactly how destructive Hillary's inability to admit

to a mistake is. This really has nothing to do about the IWR (which is a major issue) but the fact that she puts all of her supporters in surrogates in untenable positions by not making a simple "it was a mistake" statement. If she is elected president then all of us will be back in the position of having to defend a president that simply won't say that was a mistake and now we are taking a new direction.

It is a very revealing answer - not about Chelsea - but about her mother. Fuck up and then when you get called on it question the questioner - sarcasm. Great very presidential.

[dogman]

188. And Obama agrees with his six year old that disenfranchisement is brilliant.

What is his excuse?

[still_one]

226. Of course not, but I attack her parents for putting her daughter in the front lines like this

[Cha]

189. That's me..one of the good ol'

clairvoyant team members at DU..we're actually brilliant like Jan Schakowsky, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Pete Stark, Robert Bryd..you know all those who voted NO with the same "available evidence"

Did hilary even read the report to get all the evidence available?

Has chelsea learned to dissemble at her parents knees?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

196. I can't believe she said that, I'm not going type here what I just said out loud

to myself, but it rhymes with itch

[TheDonkey]

201. Kerry's daughters were much better on the stump than Chelsea. It's time she took a break

from the trail. Maybe enjoy the beach.

Clairvoyance? Really...

[Diane R]

211. Yes, the Kerry daughters, the Gore girls and Cate Edwards; very polished and didn't need protecting.

[Emillereid]

202. I am just a lowly citizen but I knew Iraq had no WMDs and even if they did

it was no reason to invade and kill 100,000s of Iraqis. I must have had clairvoyance then and I must be extraordinary.

[VotesForWomen]

204. what has O done to end the war? yeah, bupkus. nt

[LostInAnomie]

206. Smart ass answers come easy from those that know they will never have to serve...

... because of their entrenched wealth and power.

I wonder if she uses the "Romney boys" excuse.

[Diane R]

212. Yep....a lot of girls Chelsea's age, and younger, have fought in the war her mother supports.

[quakerboy]

207. Way to belittle those of us

Who were paying attention before this evil happened.

The question is skewed. Hillary Clinton is not the sole responsible person for those million plus deaths. But nonetheless she did cast that vote. Whatever the political reasoning behind it, she cast it, put her name on it.

When it happened, I was a nobody. I pay attention to the world, but not overmuch. I can name a few more internation leaders than most, and I know where their countries are. All I had to go on was very basic world information, as reported on international news, and a undergraduate education in biology and chemistry. And a few logic classes under my belt. No Clarvoyance, just intelectual curiosity. And I knew that the passage of that vote was a lose lose lose, that once it passed, no matter what happened, lots of people were going to lose.

I didn't realize how big of a loss it was going to be. I figured it would be a fairly quick whirlwind of death, that the death toll at the end would probably at least triple the 9/11 death toll. I vastly underestimated. But I paid attention, as did many others, and belittling those of us who did is not the way to win any good will. Nor is it how they could show me that they are ready for the future.

[enough already]

213. 23 Democratic Senators are apparently clairvoyant, Chelsea

What is extraordinary is that your mother, and apparently you as well, can't just admit that she acted based on (perceived) political expedience and fucked up royally.

But I'm sure those dead Iraqis and dead U.S. soldiers and their families understand.

[CorpGovActivist]

222. .

[zulchzulu]

223. Chelsea, give it up, babe...

You should have had an answer for that question and not act like a little snotball.

Yeesh...

[still_one]

225. Perhaps I should remind Ms. Clinton that the IWR over-road the War Powers Act

which provided the Congressional oversight that would have been necessary when bush went into Iraq for a war based on lies

How come Russ Feingold, and other Democrats had clairvoyance?

I actually feel quite sad that the Clinton's are putting their kid into this position. I understand where she would support her parents, but keep her out of the front lines for gosh sakes

[TexasObserver]

228. Hillary responded by demanding that University of Wisconsin-Madison expel the girl that asked

[JVS]

241. lol

[ErnestoG]

233. Oh, great answer there Chelsea

tell ya what. Shut your trap and go back to your job. You're not helping your mom.

[TexasObserver]

235. Don't ask the Crown Princess about Her Royal Highness' vote on the IWR

[catgirl]

240. Like mother, like daughter

Maybe Chelsea and Bill should have stayed home. They're so unlikeable.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

242. That's What That Was All About? Go Chelsea Then!!

Heard vaguely about this yesterday but didn't really get the details. That's what was said and that's how the question was asked? Hey, props to chelsea then. The questioner was a trouble making melodramatic jackass, and I give credit to Chelsea for answering so strongly. I had no idea this is what the hub bub was about. What's so horrible about it? Ahhhh, no need to answer. I know some will hype up anything to the nth degree to suit their purposes.

[Az_lefty]

243. arrogance is a Clinton family trait...

I had always hoped Chelsea could rise above that.