Straw Poll: Obama vs. Clinton

[pbca]

Just a simple head count, with all of the debate I just thought I'd gauge support. I didn't add Gore because so far he's not a candidate.

[LaurenG]

1. I voted, I have settled on a candidate.

:hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

148. I'll be in OHIO later this week, it looks like. For backgrounders to Ohio media about Clinton. n/t

[onehandle]

2. Edwards. nt

[Guaranteed]

3. LOL. It's Saturday. I guess the Clinton supporters

have the day off. ;)

[XemaSab]

9. No time-and-a-half in Camp Clinton?

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

24. Oh....

:spank:

[Deja Q]

71. Maybe they're buying new blue dresses?

:yoiks:

[CorpGovActivist]

145. Soooooo...

... bad.

:spank:

:rofl:

[devilindisguise]

180. UH...

I think democrats are working for democratic candidates. We don't worry about blue dresses. the only people I know who worry about blue dresses - past or present - have been republicans.

[Scurrilous]

4. Kick

:kick:

[CorpGovActivist]

171. .

[Flabbergasted]

5. KR Lets try to get a couple hundred votes on this and see where DU stands...........

right now.

[pbca]

6. If only the Texas/Ohio primaries look like this n/t

[MercutioATC]

7. Other: Mike Gravel

Both HRC and Obama are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

That said, I believe Obama is the lesser of the two evils.

[pbca]

8. kick n/t

[WillyT]

10. Obama !!! - K & R !!!

:kick:

[DiamondJay]

11. hahah i like the "so far" thing about gore

it would be sick if he does become one at the convention as a kompromise between obama and clinton if they should be forever deadlocked. which i hope happens, but gore would them have to abandon his post at Current, to avoid a COI. lets keep our fingers crossed.

[pbca]

12. I don't know

If he'll become one or not, but I thought adding his name would muddy the results.

[pbca]

13. kick n/t

[Alexander]

14. Obama, but I'll take Gore. Seems only Shillbots won't want Gore...

It has to be their way or the highway.

[Neecy]

15. wow

Interesting how the 14% of Hillary supporters can account for so many McClurkin threads.

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Change has come]

28. Is it official?

Obama supporters = homophobes?

[Solon]

29. I was being disingenuous, I thought the rolling eyes were a giveaway...

but I guess not.

[terrya]

19. Huh.

That's funny...I didn't see the name "McClurkin" at all in the op's post.

:shrug:

[TexasObserver]

48. things that make you go "hmmmmmm"

[RandomKoolzip]

98. That's hooey. I'm an Obama supporter who was offended by the McClurkin thing.

We're not monolithic, you know.

[Alexander]

147. And we don't vote based on one issue, either.

Yes, Obama made a mistake with McClurkin. But that's relatively small compared to the numerous and costly mistakes Clinton has made with her Senate career.

[rug]

17. Has a GDP candidate poll ever picked the actual winner?

[Labors of Hercules]

21. first time for everything. nt.

[Flabbergasted]

22. This one I think.

[Renew Deal]

25. Yes, when it was Kerry vs. Edwards in 2004.

But no, the original frontrunner on DU has never won. (Clark, Dean, Kucinich, Gore, and sometimes Edwards).

[Hill_YesWeWill]

20. awww, I already voted, sadness . . .

[Renew Deal]

23. How is Hillary supported by 17% of DUers, but they are responsible for 90% of the noise?

Weird...

[Alexander]

27. They are prolific spammers.

[Maddy McCall]

34. Can't be that. Everyone is limited to three threads each per day;

[Alexander]

36. I'm sure some DUers have created multiple accounts before.

Until they start checking IP addresses here, we have to take into account that possibility.

[Maddy McCall]

37. They do check IP addresses.

Quite regularly.

[Alexander]

51. Great. Wireless connections are still untraceable by this method.

And I'd wager that more than a few DUers have wireless Internet access.

[dogman]

70. That is just as likely why there are so many votes for Obama.

It has been my experience that those protesting first and loudest are the real perpetrators.

[Alexander]

96. Obama doesn't have known lobbyists posting here on his behalf...

Hillary does.

Nice try at projection, though.

[dogman]

99. And you know this for sure?

It doesn't have to be known lobbyists to spam a sight or use sockpuppets. My point was that you were projecting to begin with. As I wrote, that makes me suspicious off these numbers.

[Alexander]

112. I know for sure of Hillary-supporting lobbyists here.

If you want details I can PM you. To be honest I will be surprised if you do want them. It doesn't help your case.

"It doesn't have to be known lobbyists to spam a sight or use sockpuppets."

No, but a lot of time and money to do those things can come from lobbyists.

"My point was that you were projecting to begin with."

Wrong. If I was projecting, I'd spam the board or have multiple accounts. And I don't.

In fact, the known lobbyist in question has accused me of such tactics, specifically claiming that another DUer, one I know personally who lives across the country, is a sockpuppet of mine. I can PM you with details of that, too.

"As I wrote, that makes me suspicious off these numbers."

I don't share your suspicion. Every DU poll between Clinton and Obama has ended up with Obama winning at least 2/3 of the vote. Given Obama's superb online fundraising abilities and a general disdain from Team Clinton for the "nutroots" as they call them, this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

[krkaufman]

125. He who typed it, swiped it? n/t

[NMMatt]

122. DU doesn't count: we're a "Red" state and we have a caucus -nt

[Divernan]

109. They can only post 3 OPs; they spam with their response to many more threads.

nt

[Political Heretic]

31. Yup.

[Maddy McCall]

33. Your perspective is warped.

[Kahuna]

40. LOL! I don't get it either. Even with about a dozen of them on ignore..

they're STILL making most of the noise. :shrug:

[Cha]

41. I have about

40 and I had 7ish tombstones..so DU is really quite mellow. :beer: :popcorn: :hi:

[TexasObserver]

52. you know how when you go to a sports event and a few fans have those obnoxious air horns?

doesn't take many peeps to make a lot of noise, unfortunately

[harun]

67. They seem to only work for her campaign M-F, do this poll on Tuesday

it will be 30 - 50%.

[nolabels]

74. Well maybe we can keep it kicked around so they get a chance

It might be kind of interesting, wouldn't ya think :-)

[harun]

129. Here's to testing the theory... kick (n/t)

[WillyT]

81. The Pro-Hillary\Anti-Obama Posters Are...

the new "Silent Majority".

Of OPer's at least, LOL!

:evilgrin:

[noiretextatique]

183. fuzzy math...that's how

this poll doesn't reflect the views of 99.4% of DUers, since its sample size is approxiamtely .6% of the total number of DUers.
(my numbera are based on 681 total votes in the poll...percentages will changes as more people vote)

[Johnny__Motown]

26. She is on CSPAN right now, maybe they are staring at the screen mindlessly right now

HA as I write this she is talking about changing our trade policy, Like NAFTA that her husband signed.

[devilindisguise]

182. Say What?

Hillary was against NAFTA. This is a known fact that has been reported by the very media who praises Obama. I certainly do not agree with everything my husband does, and I let him know it. Hillary let Bill know how she felt about NAFTA also. She didn't like it. I don't understand all this bashing of a fellow democrat. I came on here to make up my mind - or at least to help make uup my mind, and I see democrats bashing other democrats? Save it for the republicans. They are the enemies. And they are voting for Obama. At least he says they are., He calls them Obama-cans.

[flowomo]

30. so, what will this be used to prove?

That Clinton supporters should leave DU or stop posting?
That DU is now OU?
If he wins the nomination, I'm for Obama. If she wins, I'm for her.
Right now, I'm undecided -- and don't have to decide until April 22.

[pbca]

39. It wasn't meant to prove anything

Just get a sense of where things stand.

[flowomo]

43. I suspect it will be used...

in the ridiculous flame wars here. But maybe not.

[ericgtr]

32. It's funny that when you look at this forum

it's got a bunch of anti Obama threads then you look at the results of this poll. Hard to figure.

[NMMatt]

46. It's simple... Obama is winning -nt

[troubleinwinter]

35. I voted Edwards.

[apocalypsehow]

38. Senator Obama. Yes we can!

n/t

[pbca]

42. kick n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

44. Roughly 75% Obama 20% Clinton 5% Other, kinda like the Potomac Primary

[CorpGovActivist]

154. .

[noiretextatique]

184. did less than 1% of the population vote in that primary?

if so, your comparison is valid.

[Political Heretic]

45. Seriously, this poll is so telling.

[Arugula Latte]

50. Isn't it interesting? So many more Obama supporters on this board, yet

we're subjected to soooooo many pro-Hillary/anti-Obama threads. Hmmm.

[ErnestoG]

54. The Bolsheviks created a similar ruse....

Their name in Russian means "majority", however, they were in fact the small minority. They were just very vocal and gave the impression, with the volume of their speech, that they were the majority.

[Guaranteed]

69. ....

And that's not even the case, here.

Pretty much, we've just got a lot of really loud idiots.

[JVS]

76. You mean they aren't an elite cadre that will generate revolution wherever they go.

I've got one video clip tp prove you wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hb63ruEt4I&feature=related

[JVS]

75. Listen here Guevara, trashing Lenin and his loyal cadre is bad form.

;-)

[noiretextatique]

185. 115,000+ registered DUers...691 voted in this poll

conclusion: more obama supporters than clinton supporters voted in this poll.

[fortyfeetunder]

47. keep this one kicked

I am surprised at the outcome so far with Obama in the lead.

[knowledgeispwr]

49. OMG! DU is a CULT!

Save the children! :crazy:

:sarcasm:

[helderheid]

91. LOL!!

[pbca]

53. kick again n/t

[aein]

55. kick

[CorpGovActivist]

162. .

[Scurrilous]

56. Kick

:kick:

[arewenotdemo]

57. Amazing. Clinton doesn't even get 20%

[ErnestoG]

58. You'd never know it from the few Clinton loudmouths posting all these threads

but, heck, there I went and explained it all in one fell swoop.

[arewenotdemo]

59. I know DU isn't totally representative of the national Democratic electorate.

But damn, ErnestoG, we can't be THAT far off.

[Laelth]

116. In my experience, we're usually pretty far off.

We are, after all, the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

And proud of it, I might add.

:patriot:

-Laelth

[Kitty Herder]

60. So, like, what's with all the pro-Clinton, Obama-hating posts on this board?

There see to be more of them than the reverse. You'd think there would be hardly any according to this poll.

[Political Heretic]

63. She's losing. Look to be fair there was more clinton-attacking when Obama was down.

It's kind of just how it goes.

[jefferson_dem]

61. Obama.

n/t

[angie_love]

62. kick

[Guava Jelly]

64. So 4 out of 5 DUers who voted in this poll choose Obama

WOW!..You wouldn't know it by reading the boards

[alphafemale]

72. Obviously, this poll doesn't matter. And it's SEXIST!

:rofl:

[Thepricebreaker]

79. HAHAHA! n/t

[berni_mccoy]

65. Clintonians are now the new 20-percenters.

[dailykoff]

66. In their own party.

But then Hilly has always been likability challenged...

[devilindisguise]

179. I thought I was on a board for democrats

It appears republicans have invaded. Republicans who hate Hillary and are prepared to post on a board that specifically does not want republican posters. Of course Obama likes to talks about his republican supporters, so I guess it's okay. That is the one thing that has stopped me from coming out for him. His thickness with republican voters who will vote republican in the general election.

[goldcanyonaz]

73. If this forum reflected the pulse of the nation, Kucinich would be President.

[berni_mccoy]

77. Is that why Clinton's approval rating is lower than Congress?

[InsultComicDog]

92. And we'd all be better off for it.

So?

[Strelnikov_]

68. Vote early . .

vote often.

[LWolf]

78. Neither. n/t

[pbca]

80. kick n/t

[pbca]

82. Kicked for anyone who hasn't voted n/t

[ellisonz]

83. 3-1 Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

84. There it is.

[ecstatic]

85. I'm really surprised. I thought all the McClurkin & cult threads would have dented

Obama's support. I didn't vote. I like both of them for now, although it's getting harder to admit that on here because of all the race baiting done / distortion of Obama's record by Clinton supporters on this site.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

86. I would have never guessed

that less than 20% of people would vote Clinton. I felt, as an Obama supporter, that I was in the minority here...

I just placed my vote O8)

[pbca]

87. It's funny

I keep kicking this (others too) but the outcome seems to stay about the same. Obama picks up votes, Hillary picks up votes but it seems to keep coming back to about 77% support for Obama

[CorpGovActivist]

88. Not. Even. Close. n/t

[pbca]

89. It's sorta close

Only 15% seperates Clinton from Other/Undecided

[Laelth]

118. LOL. n/t

:rofl:

-Laelth

[CorpGovActivist]

144. I roll corrected.

:rofl:

[Bonobo]

90. K&R

[apocalypsehow]

93. This poll, while anecdotal, reflects the growing national move toward Senator Obama

:kick:

[Scurrilous]

94. BTTT

:kick:

[pbca]

95. K n/t

[Political Heretic]

97. This poll continues to be quite telling of DU

There's a reason why the pitch and furor of Hillary supporters has reached insane levels and why every day its been three to one hate obama threads 24/7.

It's the fairly predictable actions of a desperate, fanatical minority.

[MadBadger]

100. They are the vocal minority.

[TheDonkey]

108. It's quite shocking the amount of anti-Obama slime in GDP when they are in such a minority

GO OBAMA!

[JackORoses]

115. the Hillarites all take turns kicking each other's schwag posts

[krkaufman]

126. Did all the pro-Edwards kickers shift to pro-Clinton/anti-Obama?

Just as the Greatest page started shifting from "John Edwards '08 Central", it began shifting to anti-O.

(I don't think the two are linked, other than the fact that there were more numerous and more fervent pro-Edwards members, at the time, than the pro-Hillary/anti-O spammers.)

[pbca]

101. kick

[XemaSab]

102. Hillary's doing almost as well here

as she did in Idaho. :hide:

[WillyT]

103. Isn't She Living In Her Own Private Idaho ???

:evilgrin:

[XemaSab]

104. I dunno.

Does her private Idaho "count"? :shrug:

[pbca]

105. I'm sure she's contemplating

suing to have it seated at the convention.

[CitizenLeft]

106. I'm still sorta on the fence, but lately leaning towards Obama...

...but if Hillary wins, I'll work hard for her too.

But these results are kinda shocking. :shrug:

[Adelante]

107. Well, I'm surprised

I always thought we Obama supporters were fewer in number.

[WillyT]

120. Yeah... The OP's Around Here Would Tend To Make You Believe That...

if ya know what I mean.

:evilgrin:

[Orsino]

110. Obama for me.

I can hope for marginally less politics-as-usual, and that fewer lobbyists already have him on speed-dial.

[Caro]

111. Lots are reading ...

... few are voting.

Very interesting.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

[Emit]

113. Wow, I had no idea it was this kind of split here on DU

I should visit more often than I do! ;)

[pbca]

114. kick

[MzShellG]

117. It's obvious that Obama won this poll because of it's high percentage of the 'black vote'.....

:sarcasm:

[WillyT]

119. LOL !!! - Good One !!!

:rofl:

[Unbowed]

121. Don't forget the high percentage of rich yuppies too.

Turning my empty pockets inside out and :rofl:

[Adelante]

123. Too funny

:D

[Scurrilous]

127. LOL

:thumbsup:

[FlyingSquirrel]

124. This poll is the straw that broke the camel's back.

I think I may need to post a new one.

[CarbonDate]

128. I'll kick for Clinton supporters.

Seriously, they must be out there. This poll can't be accurate... can it?

:kick:

Or maybe it can. Maybe DU really has been subjected to Hillary spammers?

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

130. It has been subjected to Hillary spammers...

and prolific they are.

[alphafemale]

131. This needs to be kept in view.

[WillyT]

132. Agreed !!!

:kick:

[goodhue]

133. pretty big sample here

[jefferson_dem]

134. kick.

:kick: for Obama's dominance on DU!

[pbca]

135. Kick

[NJSecularist]

136. When will all the Hillary precincts report?

[FrenchieCat]

140. Done Did!

:rofl:

[pbca]

137. kicking again

[angie_love]

138. K

[WillyT]

139. i

[angie_love]

158. C

[WillyT]

169. k

:hi:

[donheld]

141. This has to distress a lot of people

Oh well.

[devilindisguise]

178. Don't think so

I think most people would vote for eiher candidate. They have so many things they are alike on that people are having a hard time deciding. At least that's what I'm hearing, and not on this board.

[Arugula Latte]

142. My, my, my. The overwhelming Obama preference is holding strong.

Why is it that Hillary supporters are a small fraction of the posters here, yet they spew enough garbage to make it seem like they're an overwhelming majority?

[CitizenLeft]

143. Wow. That percentage has held for 3 full days.

I would've thought it at least 50/50.

[Flabbergasted]

146. That's what I expected too but there are many many silent DUers.

Kucinich and Edwards were tops by far most of the year but they weren't as obnoxious as a few of those who are passionate about Hillary or Obama. The Kucinich/Edwards crowd has almost all ended up supporting Obama.

[MadBadger]

149. Clinton's Making A Comeback

LOL, Now shes down 55%, instead of 56%

[CorpGovActivist]

150. This thing is tightening now. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

151. Has Hillary announced the end-run to get the Other/Undecided votes at the convention?

[CorpGovActivist]

152. I wonder if Vinod Gupta voted for Hillary in this poll?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vinod+gupta

[thoughtcrime1984]

153. Will the superdelegates intervene and turn this poll for Hillary?

This poll is close and is undoubtedly heading to the convention. YEEEEAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[donheld]

157. Naw, they'll defect shortly.

[CorpGovActivist]

163. Ah, well. Her threats fell on deaf ears, apparently.

[peacebaby3]

155. K&R. This really shows you that a vocal minority are controlling this forum. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

161. .

[peacebaby3]

168. Hiya! Hope all is well!

:pals:

[grantcart]

156. looks lilke the percent from Hawaii lol

[workinclasszero]

159. I voted Obama

It is surprising that Obama is so far ahead on this poll.

Seeing all the Clinton character assassination attempts against Obama here, you would thing this is Hillary Central.

It crazy the amount of hate and invective that a few people can spew out.

[Scurrilous]

160. Kick

:kick:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

164. Gravel for me. The non-cookiecutter candidate.

[MethuenProgressive]

165. I had no idea the DUbamas had so many sockpuppets!

:hi:

[alphafemale]

166. "Hello Wisconsin!" .... and Hawaii too.

Another reality kick.

:hi:

[peacebaby3]

167. Reality kick! n/t

[pbca]

170. Kick in case anyone's missed it

Though the percentages haven't changed for awhile

[lynch03]

172. I am pretty shocked by these results

I guess the Hillary supporters are the most vocal, because reading this forums of late, you'd think their were more Hillary supporters.

[UndertheOcean]

173. Obama!

Gobama

[CorpGovActivist]

174. SURGE!

[pbca]

175. Kicked before the debate n/t

[Bucky]

176. Obama for president; Clinton for straw

Guess that means Clinton won the straw poll.

[madokie]

177. I don't mind being the 509th one

[PresidentObama]

181. Hillary Clinton!

[alphafemale]

186. kick

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

187. This poll is unfair

It was posted when the sun was out.

[Muzza]

188. See - it is indeed an Obama Lovefest in here...

[Guava Jelly]

189. Not really

It just shows that the majority of Du'ers who voted in this poll chose Obama.

[Adams Wulff]

190. 76% Obama 20% Clinton

Kicking!

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

191. Kick! n/t

[featherman]

192. kicking