Universal Healthcare INSURANCE

[JimGinPA]

They always leave that last word out of Hillary's "plan". But words don't matter,they say. Mandated insurance that if you won't or can't buy, your wages will be garnished. But hey, it will cover everyone, so her friends at the insurance companies will be better off, even if we voters aren't. But according to them, most of us don't really matter anyway.

[TexasObserver]

1. it should be called Hillary's Plan to Force You to Buy Insurance, and garnish your wages to do it.

[Deja Q]

2. Until somebodd needs to use the insurance... what then? Coverage canceled?

[gateley]

3. But both their plans call for insurance, right? Neither one of them -- much

to my disappointment and frustration -- seem to even consider a single-payer plan.

It makes me question why.

[K Gardner]

5. Because single payer is the 3rd rail, political suicide in November.. too

many people, including dems, just don't understand it. It is, unfortunately, something to be "eased into".

[gateley]

12. They should explain that in their proposals.

Biden explained that his plan was meant to get the coverage for everybody in the shortest amount of time, which meant working with the system as it is now (with modifications, natch). He went on to say that once everyone was covered the best we can do at this time, we would begin working toward a single payer solution.

Why can't Hillary and Obama tell us the same thing? (If that's their goal -- I don't know if it is or not).

I understand the point you're making, and agree - but they seem to act as though that option doesn't even exist and never will.

[K Gardner]

14. Right.. I understand what YOU are saying, and agree :-) I'd like

to hear the opinion on true Universal, but I don't think we're going to hear it. I doubt if we'd even hear that either of them were working towards it, even if they were. I'm resigned, I suppose, to taking what we can get at this point.. get a good, courageous President at the helm, and then start pushing hard for it. One fight at a time.. and now the fight is to take over the WH, turn this country around, get a TRUE MAJORITY in the House/Senate. I hope I live to see HR676 become law of the land :-)

[jackson_dem]

9. Neither do but Obamites hit Hillary heard for not supporting it

They seem to think they can attack her on this and "hope" no one bothers to look at what Obama's (insurance) plan is. :rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Honestly, the only way this can work is by implementing the following

1. No cherry picking allowed or pricing someone out of your plan.

2. An independent third party appeal by a medical board not affiliated with the insurance companies that will have the power of binding arbitration for complaints against an insurance company for denial of benefits.

3. Absolutely no pre-existing condition clauses.

4. All individual policies must be treated as groups currently are (no medical test to get coverage).

5. An independent auditor that will determine if a plan is consistently denying necessary medical coverage and revoke their ability to insure if found to be engaging in that.


And probably a shitload of other things.

[BlackVelvet04]

6. and Obama's plan is for insurance as well. n/t

[Tatiana]

7. Another big corporate welfare handout. NO THANK YOU.

Health care INSURANCE should not be mandated.

Mandates should only be applicable under a single-payer plan.

[jackson_dem]

10. The corps will make $4,400 per family under Obama's plan, $2,700 under Hillary's

When you have everyone in the system the costs go down because of the principles of insurance Barack Obama spoke about before he began running for president in his book. It also has the added bonus of saving taxpayers the costs that would be shifted onto us when those who choose to game the system go to the emergency room for care.

The argument against mandates are philosophical and political. Should government mandate this? Is it politically feasible? It isn't an honest argument about which system, all things being equal, works better. The Edwards/Hillary approach does.

[Tatiana]

13. I am not opposed to a mandate for single-payer health care.

I am opposed to a mandate for health insurance.

It's more feasible to get Congress to pass a single-payer plan and make sure we have a President in office that will sign the bill.

Eliminate the middle man.

[OzarkDem]

26. Public health insurance

Please explain how giving individuals and businesses a choice of buying insurance through a government insurance plan like Medicare is a handout to corporations?

I'm waiting.

[OzarkDem]

28. kick

[jackson_dem]

8. Why are Obamites obssessed with this? What do you think St. Obama is offering?

[AJH032]

11. it is NOT mandatory

if you listen to any speech she gives regarding the topic (and often they are quite detailed), she emphasizes that fact.

[JimGinPA]

15. Yes It Is...

Mandated. You will be forced to purchase insurance.

[rinsd]

27. You do know that Obama also had a mandate to force families to buy insurance for children right?

[Maven]

16. Actually, you can buy into a public plan rather than private insurance.

But don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit diatribe.

[JimGinPA]

19. And Who Will You Buy The "Public Plan" From I Wonder...

A company that sells insurance maybe?


:eyes:

[Maven]

20. No. The public plan would be similar to Medicare, with beefed-up benefits.

Why don't you actually read the plan before you shoot your mouth off and show your ignorance yet again.

[JimGinPA]

22. So Your Premise Is...

If you don't want to purchase insurance, they'll let you sign up for the "public plan" at no charge? So who does pay? Why would anyone want to purchase insurance when they can get this "Medicare, with beefed-up benefits"? So why did Hillary say she would garnish wages again?

:rofl:

[Maven]

23. Read the plan and stop spreading misinformation.

You're starting to look silly. Inform yourself.

[rinsd]

24. Try actually reading the plans dumbass.

Both candidate's plans call for massive expansion of existing public health plans and the creation of new ones.

More empty Gobama from a clueless supporter.

[nonconformist]

17. It's better than nothing, which is what I have now. nt

[cyclezealot]

18. Not a Hillary fan.

we favor the COnyers bill. Universality is the only way to assure health care will be there when you need it. Garnish wages is a misnomer. You want a program to be there when you need it. You have to participate in it. Just as in Social Security. Give anyone a choice to not participate, the soluability of the whole program suffers. Health care is not worth knowing it will always be there. / We support the Conyers bill , so the Hillary plan is not our first choice. But, supposedly should you not select a lousy plan provided by your employer, you can buy into medicare for all. What is wrong with that. ? If you don't participate , why should buying into Medicare for all be an option. If it is there for all, you are required to participate. Rightly so.

[cooolandrew]

21. Exactly, it sin't genuine universal care it's profit making enforcement...

...THe correct plan was Kucinich I jmped up and down for him on here, but America went for the insurance campany plans god knows why. Given this you would want it to be optional.

[rodeodance]

yeah yeah--its left out for obama also. both have insurance plans. yes yes yes

[OzarkDem]

25. You can buy government insurance under Clinton's plan

Obama supporters who oppose health care reform always leave that part out.

Can't you debate the issue honestly or do you prefer to be considered dishonest?