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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:10 PM
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Right slams Obama as 'shady Chicago socialist'
Republicans are out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support

Leading Republicans believe they can trounce Barack Obama in the presidential election by tarring him as a shady Chicago socialist. They are increasingly confident that his campaign could collapse by the time their attack machine has finished with him.

Grover Norquist, an influential conservative tax reform lobbyist, said: “Barack Obama has been able to create his own image and introduce himself to voters, but the swing voters in a general election are not paying attention yet. He is open to being defined as a leftwing, corrupt Chicago politician.”

Norquist’s comments will be music to the ears of Hillary Clinton, Obama’s Democratic rival, who believes Obama has not been sufficiently “vetted” for the White House. She has been unable to attack him too vociferously without risking a backlash from Democratic primary voters, but Republicans may salvage her campaign by doing the job for her.

Obama has the voting record of a “hard-left” socialist, according to Norquist, from his time in the Illinois state legislature to the US Senate. He was recently judged by the nonpartisan National Journal to have the most liberal voting record in 2007 of any senator.
Underdog Obama outpaces Hillary

The senator for Illinois may be headed for victory in the Democratic presidential race if he widens support among women...“It will be easy to portray him as even harder-left than Hillary,” said Norquist. “Hillary could lose the election, but Obama could collapse. People already know Hillary and she is not popular, but the disadvantage for Obama is that Republicans can teach people who don’t know him who he is.”

Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House and Republican guru, recently described Obama as the “most leftwing candidate to run since George McGovern” – a reference to the anti-Vietnam-war Democrat who lost 49 states out of 50 to Richard Nixon in the 1972 election. Norquist believes Obama’s questionable Chicago connections will stir things further.

The city has a reputation for corruption from the days when Al Capone and his mob ran the town in the 1920s. Obama is tainted by his long association with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Chicago property developer who is scheduled to go on trial for extorting kickbacks in return for political favours on March 3, the day before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

Obama bought his family home in Chicago for $1.65m, $300,000 less than the asking price, on the day that Rezko’s wife Rita bought an adjoining lot at the full price of $650,000. Obama later paid her $105,000 for a sixth of her yard in order to expand his garden.

The seller insisted on both plots being sold together, which suggests that Rezko did Obama an enormous favour even if the deal was not illegal. The seller has so far evaded press inquiries, but he is regarded as a potential “ticking timebomb” should he decide to go public.

Clinton briefly raised the question of Rezko, whom she described as a “slum landlord”, in a televised debate with Obama in California, but was silenced when a 1990s picture emerged of her with Rezko and President Bill Clinton. Obama has returned around $85,000 in campaign contributions from Rezko.

“Hillary put the issue into the bloodstream, but it didn’t get focused on,” said Norquist. He believes that well financed “527” attack groups – named after their tax-exempt status – will mercilessly pursue Obama over his ties to Rezko. It was a conservative “527” group, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who did grave damage to John Kerry’s reputation as a war hero in the 2004 White House race.

Mark McKinnon, a top adviser to John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said last week he would resign in the event of a contest against Obama as he did not want to participate in tearing him down.

But other members of McCain’s team have already gone for the jugular. A testy exchange last year between the two senators over the Iraq troop surge led a senior aide to take aim at Obama’s former drug use by claiming he “wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG and a bong ”.

Obama could run into further difficulties over his relationship with William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois and former member of the Weather Underground, a leftwing terrorist group that planted bombs in the Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s.

Ayers told The New York Times on the day of the September 11 attacks: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” It emerged last week that Ayers served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund, an antipoverty group, from 1999 to 2002, and donated $200 towards his Illinois state Senate campaign in 2001.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3382313.ece

...Republicans already smell Blood in the water..the brief exchange between McCain and Obama was the signal. Obama with the "deer in the headlights" look... seen physically folding under the crushing weight of a brief no nonsense exchange with John McCain ... Obama will collapse under the weight of a full on Right Wing attack..he is no match for what is yet to be unleased on his shaded past...

I'm not interested in 'Rolling the Dice' and losing because of on an untested, unvetted candidate for our next Democratic president..

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:12 PM
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1. Obama=Dukakis 2.0
Remember how electable Dukakis was? He led by 17 points, not in February, but in August. What happened when the rethugs were done with him? And he wasn't chums with an unrepentant terrorist!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:17 PM
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4. The only candidate Republicans fear are the CLINTONS...they've beaten them more than once..
Republicans have Obama pegged as a "whining" loser, and a coward. Like taking candy from a babe lost in the woods.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:19 PM
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8. The rank and file are terrified of Obama AND Hillary...
the wolves, however, are scared of neither. They are sharpening their fangs, and they lie in wait...they will be ready for EITHER CANDIDATE...it is US who must be ready for THEM.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:23 PM
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17. Obama comes across as a wuss..
He belongs in GQ... On his best day, you wouldn't see Obama signing up for a tour in Iraq..
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:26 PM
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21. What does 'signing up for a tour in Iraq' have to do with anything?
Are you saying Hillary would be signing up for a tour in Iraq?
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:14 AM
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50. more rw attacks
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:05 AM
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63. Just wondering...if Obama's so easy to beat, why hasn't Hill put him away already?
This isn't the campaign she'd thought she have after Feb 5. Seems like he's been a fairly formidable opponent for her.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:39 AM
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65. When did they beat them? A two term president and a Senator who won by a landslide
She is tested and vetted, she can take the heat, as she has shown again with the way the media has treated her. They have nothin left to use on her, and she is still going strong. He's had a pass thus far, and it won't last.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:30 AM
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78. I don't know...
Obama would look BETTER sitting in an armored tank....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:14 PM
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2. He's a SOCIALIST?
Fuckin' A! :D

The man just keeps getting better and better in my estimation! :toast:
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:16 PM
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3. Fear! Fear!
Fear of the repubs! Fear 'em!

I'm not feared. Obama's not either.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:19 PM
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9. Obama is a candy ass.. What argument has he ever won?
Who has Obama EVER beaten in a contest. Romancing the Stone, no matter how you want to, doesn't count!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:28 PM
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23. "Who has Obama EVER beaten in a contest." Hillary, so far! n/t
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:53 AM
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68. Obama beats Hillary. That's who he beats. nt
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:38 PM
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34. 'candy ass'?
:puke:
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:44 AM
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66. My thoughts exactly!
Wish it were true.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:17 PM
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5. And McCain is an ancient war monger who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and was Bush's Best Bud.
Just keep repeating 'Iraq for 100 years' over and over again, and it won't matter if we've got a brain-dead rat running for president, we'd still win.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:20 PM
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11. You think the msm is going to push that line or the rethug line?
What did they do in 2000 and 2004?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:24 PM
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18. They'll do the same thing if Hillary is the nominee.
They're going to crank out tons of slime either way.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:35 PM
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29. Yes but one candidate is undefined
Attacks on him will have a lot more effect on him than Hillary. Folks already know who she is. The rethugs, as Norquist admitted, can "teach" folks about Obama. They can make him another Dukakis.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:38 PM
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32. Hmm...perhaps. But I'm not convinced.
I think Obama can beat McCain if he comes out strong against any attacks.
If he decides to play nice, well...we all know how well that worked for Kerry.
I do agree that Hillary seems more likely to come out strong if she's attacked...but I also think that Bill should play a less active role in her campaign if she's the nominee.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:41 PM
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36. The biggest problem for Obama is not even this stuff
It's the security issue. Can he convince voters when it comes to the final moment to entrust him with national security? Polls right now mean nothing. Will the trust him in November?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:45 PM
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40. Good question.
Depends on him. If Obama improves his debating skills, he can easily cause McCain to paint himself in a corner over 'Bomb Iran' and '100 years of Iraq'...
if not...well...he'll have some troubles.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:45 AM
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79. Suppose McCain refuses to be painted into a corner and instead..
Obama is painted into a corner.. Will he scream for "TEDDY" or "Kerry"? That is the question!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:21 PM
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13. And McCain WILL WIN if his opponent IS Obama..
Obama's leaves his cojones in his sock drawer for safe keeping..
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:51 PM
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43. Is that where he put them when he voted present or hit the wrong button by "mistake"?
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:06 AM
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46. Wow those are some nice words for a fellow democrat
We should support both of them, as both of them are inherently better than "bombs away in Iran" McCain. I'm supporting Obama but Hillary will get my support if shes the nom. And I don't even want to be apart of bashing one over the other anymore. Now we have to unite against the republicans not do their work for them. Its despicable and your words are really ugly.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:10 AM
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49. I've alerted your posts, they are really ugly on this thread
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:56 AM
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52. same here.
:hi:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:40 AM
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77. I'm sure McCain can count on your vote.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:45 PM
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83. Hillary has no chance against McCain
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 04:45 PM by BrentTaylor
She starts out with half the country hating her. Don't fool yourself
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:18 PM
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6. Independents (aka swing voters) are supporting Obama in droves.
So, this topic is worthless.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:19 PM
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10. What makes you think this correpsonds at all to how it will be in November?
They also supported Dukakis and Kerry (to a lesser extent) in droves in Feb-March of their election years.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:02 AM
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61. I guess since Dukakis lost and so did Kerry we might as well give up now...
Clinton supporter cynicism is mind boggling at times.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:20 PM
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12. Just like they supported President Kerry?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:22 PM
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15. Yeah, Kerry was real fiery on the stump and inspired millions.
:eyes:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:31 PM
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25. Kerry won 46 primaries. How many has Mr. "monopoly on inspiration" won?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:47 PM
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42. Yeah, because all the competition wasn't well-financed and dropped out..
like flies early on. You know this.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:29 PM
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24. Nothing is more worthless than your comment regarding Independent..
the erstwhile 5% or 7% of Indys aren't going to swing anything for Obama.. why should they..he's shown them nothing!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:18 PM
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7. Someone wake me up on March 5th when this is over
:rofl:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:34 PM
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28. Actually, this is a good thing. Everytime Hill gets real desperate, they send the HIS44 "heavy
hitters" (ISeeDeadPeople) to come whip us into shape ! Nobody pays attention, then they go away and Obama wins another primary, or 8.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:37 PM
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31. !!
:spray:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:21 PM
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14. Anyone to the left of Hitler is a socialist to the irrational RW
They even accuse Hillary of being a liberal!
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:23 PM
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16. His Chicago politics
could enable the repukes to
mount a formidable smear campaign.

From 2004...
"...someone shouted. "No more Obamanation!"
"To V.O.T.E.'s 31-year-old spokesman, Mark Carter, Obama is a tool of Mayor Daley and the rest of the City Hall fat cats who've ignored Lawndale. "Barack Obama is so much entrenched in the status quo in the city of Chicago that he does not support the issues of the black community, especially our generation," said Carter, who did time in the 90s. "Joblessness, homelessness, police brutality. We don't have to vote the same way our grandmothers did. When you look at the numbers supporting the Democrats, it's the civil rights generation. The younger generation, the hip-hop generation, we're more open."
"...someone shouted. "No more Obamanation!"
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/041029/

From 2005.....
"FOR FIVE YEARS the city's been battling Hyde Parkers over how to prevent erosion at Promontory Point, the peninsula at 55th Street. And now the make-or-break vote in the impasse has come down to Senator Barack Obama, a politician who apparently can't stand to take a stand."
http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/050923/
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:32 PM
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26. exactly...Obama supporters HOPE for Blue Skies, Sunshine and Happy Days ahead...
when they're staring a con-artist straight in the face!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:39 PM
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35. So why hasn't Hillary been able to take him down?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:47 PM
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41. ***Scratches head***
Good question!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:00 AM
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44. All I'm getting is crickets over here. Maybe its a bad connection.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:24 PM
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19. Hillary's "McGovern" Problem
February 16, 2008

Hillary's "McGovern" Problem

By Robert Novak

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Strategists for Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign believe it is imperative to identify her high-flying opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, with the "McGovern wing" of the Democratic Party -- but they want to keep their candidate's fingerprints off the attack.

During the two weeks remaining before the important Ohio and Texas primaries on March 4, Clinton insiders want to spread the message that Obama represents the radical left-wing politics of George McGovern's 1972 candidacy, which won only one state. But they don't know how to accomplish this. When Clinton herself has launched past attacks on Obama, it has hurt her with voters.

The Clinton campaign is confident of winning in Texas because of the state's Hispanic vote. But it sees the need in Ohio to identify Obama as a leftist in the eyes of lower-income white voters, who often have supported Republican candidates against Democratic opponents they consider too liberal.

Hispanics for Hillary
Reps. Hilda Solis and Lucille Roybal-Allard, Hispanic-American Democrats from California, have been busy on the House floor lobbying uncommitted Democratic super-delegates to support Hillary Clinton against Barack Obama.

link


Wonder where that story originated?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:21 AM
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73. the same novak who outed Valerie Plame?
this story seems contrived to me

this is the evil novak at work
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:24 PM
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20. Too bad the other neocons (Kristol/Kagan) like him. I guess they didn't get the memo.
If he was all that I'd be into him. I don't think he is, though. I don't know if he can tell a bong from an RPG, though. He probably can. It's the thing that's not the bong.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:47 AM
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57. yeah, they like him. that's the problem. why are they pushing him as the dem nominee? nt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:27 PM
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22. Don't fear, we will fix the remaining primaries for Obama all the way from Chicago.
And then we will reach across the borders with our shady socialist machinations and deliver Missouri, Iowa, and Wisconsin for the Democrats therby ensuring general election victory.

Because the Chicago machine is THAT powerful. And that shady. And that socialist.

We eat right-wingnuts for brunch.

:rofl:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:33 PM
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27. The DNC has never WON and election..
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:50 AM
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54. I feel your pain
Hillaryis44 indeed :rofl:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:43 PM
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38. We don't need to worry. We can just call in 'Legs' and 'Diamond Joe' to 'teach McCain a ting or two'
...
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:36 PM
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30. Most of his early news coverage as a State Senator was in the socialist paper
made in his district and in the Chicago Defender, the black newspaper. People who say Obama is a a conservative are going to find out just how idiotic those attacks are. The Edwards/Trippi online smear campaign against Obama was one of the most dishonest lines of attack in campaign history.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:38 PM
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33. Hillaryites using right-wing attacks on Obama, why does this not surprise me?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:45 PM
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39. Tellurian isn't attacking Obama. Is it an attack to discuss HIS general election vulnerabilities?
The fact we never heard the name "William Ayrers" in the msm until now says a lot. They are saving him. He could be Obama's Willie Horton--and Dukakis was not pals with Horton!
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:09 AM
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47. I don't know why Hillary seems to think she'll be immune just because she's been "vetted"
If Hillary's the nominee the public will get a nice little refresher of whitewater, travelgate, filegate, Vince Foster,who Hillary was more closely tied to than Obama was to William Ayrers, and of course the failed healthcare plan.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:16 AM
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51. The point of being vetted is to be declared 'clean'
That last part never happened with a good chunk of this country -- right or wrong.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:57 AM
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69. Excellent Point. We're sick of all the SLIME. If the Clintons CHEAT to win, they'll ...
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 04:57 AM by ShortnFiery
destroy our Democratic Party. I'll be damned if I will support CHEATERS and DIRTY TRICKSTERS, even if they choose to put "a D" after their names. :thumbsdown:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:34 AM
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71. William Ayrers
:hide:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:42 PM
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37. Good citizens check for duplicates!
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:02 AM
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45. what is that about Obama and a SLAM dunk in Wisconsin?
you don't say?!

Well, they say he has momentum, or Obamamentum, Or Obamentum, whichever you prefer I guess
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:10 AM
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48. why do you care about barack if you know hillary is going to win?
i take it that your post is directed to those who have`t voted yet. there`s nothing anyone can do about all those votes he already has.

i know the guys and gals at "hillary is 44" are just dying because obama has`t been indicted in the rezko case. but who knows, maybe the bribe that obama people paid to fitzgerald was`t enough....
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:14 AM
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53. Response:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:19 AM
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55. Norquist slime machine meet Hope. Hope meet America. America, you choose.
America, you say you are in the mood for someone who makes you feel good again?

Norquist slime machine, go stick your head where the sun don't shine. You do not even have a clue. This is 1976, guys. Your kind isn't wanted around here.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:44 AM
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56. by the time dems and O know what hit them, it will be too late. nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:36 AM
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75. You sound as if you are part of some conspiracy, as if you have inside information. Well,
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 06:49 AM by John Q. Citizen
what is it?

Is Hill in a conspiracy with the Repos and losing 10 states in a row as well as the the popular vote on purpose to set Obama up for a giant November fall and 40 more years in the wilderness for the Democratic Party and especially the left in the Democratic Party and beyond?

Or do you figure george isn't going anywhere and will do to some major national emergency declaration?

Or are you just super afraid of the awful, horrible, mean rotten, Norquist? And his rotting friends?

See us Obama voters? We're not afraid of Norquist. Every time he talks, we don't tremble. We don't stop contesting states, counties, cities, towns, neighborhoods, streets or people because we gave up.

That's a lesson Clinton never learned, apparently, don't cede power to the opposition. Five elections and 3 primaries of the 17 state strategy. Ceding turf is not a winner. Just as she never learned how to move the grass roots. She's great as far as dealing with corporate movers and shakers, corporate consultants, and corporate lobbyists. That's been her whole life.

But we have a candidate who actually worked in the grass roots and understands the grass roots and is actually able to move the grass roots. Plus he can talk to any and every CEO that Hill can.

It scares the fuck out of people like Norquist, because they were supposed to do that with the fundies, the Dems weren't supposed to do that; But they got McCain and the fundies dislike McCain almost as much as they dislike Hill, and some of the fundies even like Obama anyway.

They can shoot Obama, but other than that he's gonna kick their ass. Just like he's kicking old ready on day 1's, ass. She's ready on day one to have her ass kicked by a guy who has a facility available to him that she just doesn't have available to her. And Obama has enough sense to know not to cede power to the opposition by just walking away and turning your back on vast areas of people, policy, and communication.

And once Obama has put Hill out of her misery come March, then he will turn his attention to McCain, and once again, quietly, methodically, and undeniably he will take him apart.

I think Norquist is more afraid of Obama than Obama is afraid of Norquist. That's what the threats and bluster is about. And I think Norquist has very good reason to be afraid of Obama.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:59 AM
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58. Good luck with all that. n/t
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:59 AM
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59. BUT HILLARY CAN'T BEAT OBAMA!!! How can she beat McCain?
LOL....you Hillary shills are getting more hilarious by the day. If Obama is such a horrible candidate, then why the fuck is he beating the shit out of Hillary? He's ran his campaign like a well oiled machine. They haven't even had a gaffe. Hillary has been broke and will be broke again.

If Hillary can't beat Obama, how the hell can she be expected to beat McCain?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:00 AM
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60. The RW will have gotten what it wants with Obama as the Dem candidate: President McCain.
Obama will not be able to withstand the RW machinery.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:04 AM
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62. He withstood the Clinton machinery. We will win. I hope you get on board sooner or later. -nt
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:10 AM
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64. Sorry, no can do. I won't be voting for Obama if he is the Dem nominee...
I will just not bother to vote. He doesn't need my vote to win...it won't make a difference either way. I can focus my time and attention on other matters. We have withstood W, America will withstand a McCain presidency just as easily.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:51 AM
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67. Good to you know you'd rather have McCain over Obama.
What an assclown.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:21 AM
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70. So that is how the Republicans are going to get McCain
Because your angry self-defeating protest vote matters more than the millions who are enthusiastic about a presidential candidate for the first time ever? I see. I guess we are in good shape after all.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:44 PM
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81. It's not a protest vote. It will be a protest non~vote...
the same that some BH Obama supporters will fail to cast if Senator Clinton is the nominee.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:49 AM
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72. This guy is in Chile, he can't vote in our election anyway so who cares.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 05:51 AM by angie_love
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:42 PM
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80. Here's a NEWSFLASH: Americans can live outside the U.S.A (and still remain citizens).
For some reason, morons fail to understand that expats can vote.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:25 AM
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74. obama is a lousy debater
vague, gropes for words, can't make points, doesn't seem to think quickly on his feet...seems lost for ideas and words


if he gets the nomination, it means debates with mccain

mccain will make mince meat out of obama....especially on national security

remember obama saying he'd meet and talk with iran, etc...? granted we should use dimplomacy but mccain will skewer him....just one example

hillary is very strong on international competence....and security...she's tough...and an excellent debater
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:44 PM
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82. LMAO....McCain is a horrible debater.
McCain will be pounded by Obama in debates.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:39 AM
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76. Perspective.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:48 PM
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84. Silly.
Right bashes Clinton = proof they want to face Obama.
Right bashes Obama = proof they want to face Obama.
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