Fuck Ralph Nader, latest NYT poll: Bush 46 Kerry 38 Nader 7

[ringmastery]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/16/politics/campaign/16POLL.html?ex=1080018000&en=b27f9ba16f56e0a8&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

The candidacy of Ralph Nader looms as a potentially lethal threat to Democratic hopes of regaining the White House: With Mr. Nader in the race, Mr. Bush leads Mr. Kerry by 46 percent to 38 percent, with Mr. Nader drawing 7 percent of the votes

[Dookus]

1. yawn

this has been discussed endlessly here already.

Nader is NOT pulling 7% anywhere.

[bearfartinthewoods]

8. when push comes to shove ...no way 7%..no way...-1% max

[rock]

10. And I've seen no analysis

that says the Nader Voters are Democrats. Aren't they more likely to be Repugs?

[Hav]

11. well

In these last polls, whenever Nader is added, Kerry seems to always lose some %.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Right

Yeah, because the main concern of most republicans is car safety and the environment. :eyes:

[dkf]

2. Shoulda voted Dean.

Nader said he wouldn't run if Dean was the nominee. The Dem party kneecapped Dean and now we're all going to pay the consequences.

[Frederic Bastiat]

3. *Chuckles*

Nader is as reliable as Dean is progressive.

[Hav]

4. Is that really true?

When did Nader say that? I only remember that he said that about Kucinich.
Can you provide some proof? Because I never heard that.

[malatesta1137]

5. Wake up

Nader is nowhere near 0.7%, let alone 7%. The NYTimes is trying to divide the left by publishing this fake poll and apparently some people are falling for it. How can a candidate who got 3% in 2000 and hasn't even started his bid, doesn't even have a running mate, is hated by everyone on the left, how can he be at 7%? Wake up.

[Hav]

6. yeah yeah

Wake up yourself and reply to the right posts ;).

[newyawker99]

20. Hi malatesta1137!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Mairead]

9. "Nader said he wouldn't run if Dean was the nominee"

Do you have a cite for that? I know he said it repeatedly about DK, but I've only ever seen something that could be interpreted that way about Dean. Do you have something unequivocal?

[mzmolly]

19. He did say that about Dean *and* Kucinich.

I don't have a quote, but I read that in several places...direct from the horses mouth as it were.

[Chelzek]

26. Yup

I also heard that.

[Mairead]

30. I've read plenty people *claiming* it, but it's always been second or

third hand. I'm inclined to doubt it, myself. Sort of like the idea that Chomsky would have endorsed Dean; I heard that second- and third-hand, too.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. Fuck that!

NO ONE, especially not this asshole, is going to hold our party hostage. He isn't even one of us - why the FUCK should he pick who we run?

[youngred]

23. actually

he is a democrat, but that doesn't give him the right to dictate, just the right to vote in the primaries

[Snivi Yllom]

21. it's the ultimate "told you so"....3 highly annoying words

[Renew Deal]

29. And lose by 20

straight up? Yeah right

[priller]

7. First thing to look for in poll results -- Who is being polled

In this case, it is "adults".

In recent polls I've seen, when the people polled are "registered voters", Kerry and Bush are about even.

If the polled are "likely voters", then Kerry is usually ahead.


Since this poll is simply "adults", you can then assume that about half of these people will not vote, so the results are not all that relevant, I don't think.

[DennisReveni]

12. Tavis Smiley on Real Time

http://www.safesearching.com/billmaher/print/t_hbo_realtime_030504.htm
SMILEY: There's an old adage - there's an old adage, Bill, that says very simply, it's not what you call me, it's what I answer to. When you flip that, what you realize is that those of us who are left of center in our ideology have allowed the right to define the debate. We've allowed the right to define the terms. It's not that this country has become more conservative. It's that those of us who are left of center are a bunch of wimps, and we let them decide what these definitions are. And John Kerry is going to have to deal with Ralph Nader this time around as he should. With all due respect - with all due respect to Barbara Boxer and Terry McAuliffe, I'm glad Ralph Nader is in this race, because somebody--

MOORE: I gave him two thousand bucks!

SMILEY: Somebody - somebody has got to remind--

MOORE: I'm glad he's in the race.

SMILEY: Somebody has got to remind - you know, Karl Rove is happy, but I'm happy as well, because somebody has got to remind the Democrats what it means to stand up for those folks who are socially, politically, economically disenfranchised on the left, not run from the debate and define the terms.

Go Tavis! I wish more people would point out just how important Nader's position is.

[LiberalBushFan]

15. just want to point out that MOORE is not Michael Moore

in case someone gets confused. MM has wised up this time around.

[emulatorloo]

16. Nader could have run as a Dem to remind etc etc

and that would have been great. . .but he'd rather just work to ensure 4 more years of GWB.

[mac56]

17. You are so right. The "scorched earth" approach.

I said it on another thread: the stakes are way too high this time for this kind of sophomoric posturing, from Nader and from his followers.

[LiberalBushFan]

18. No one but neo-con Republicans will be able to get elected President

ever again, voting will be a formality, they'll control everything... but hey, at least the Dems will be reminded.

Oh, but I'm just using "scare tactics" on Nader fans. We all know the Republicans would never do that.

[Snivi Yllom]

24. But it would not have had the same influence or effect would it?

Nader is playing for keeps, Kerry better not dismiss him.

[Andromeda]

28. Nader is as important as a boil on my booty....

He is as expendable as a flea on my dog. He is adding nothing to the national debate and he wants Bush to win for the second time and we are NOT going to let him.

[youngred]

22. You do realise that the election is EIGHT MONTHS AWAY

and that polls at this point mean JACK SHIT
and that Nader won't even get on the ballot in many states so there's no way he'll get that much

give it a rest

[Chelzek]

25. A kerry/kucinich ticket

would solve this quickly.

[Andromeda]

27. This poll has been freeped...

No way does Nader have 7%. He is less popular than he was before and he only got 3% then.

[digno dave]

31. Nader's numbers now are inflated

Nader won't get half of what he got last time(what, 2.7%) and half the voters he DOES get would not have voted otherwise.