There are two types of leaders.

[mculator]

I'm quoting a bit from Oakland tribute, a major California paper that contributed to Hillary's landslide in California. I love you, Oakland. In the upcoming states, let's vote Hillary and make our way towards a more socialist system:

There are two types of leaders: transactional and transformational.

Transformational leaders include amazing speakers and uniters: Ghandi, Jesus, Pope John Paul II. Barack Obama is clearly in their ranks. We can expect a transformation, for good or bad, from his mere presence. This type of leader is good for overcoming oppression (race, even gender inequalities) and moving as a whole country towards a major change. The downside of this description of Barack is that clearly the only Social transformation he offers is in domestic affairs and democratic programs. We are not under any great threat from a superior military force and don't need a hunger strike, a jesus or ghandi like leader to deliver us from problems. We are America, and we should fix the problems at hand, which are mostly legislative and executive problems arriving from Republican rule.

Transactional leaders operate on a very simple exchange: Mutual award for applied effort. Among these leaders are presidents such as Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and FDR. When elected, they do what they promised. they are very good at getting it done, navigating complex problems associated with the efforts of a dying party. For Jefferson, he was elected to put in place the ideals of the newly formed Democratic Republican party (of which our current parties split left and right, as we know). He did his job. The federalist theory was put down. For Lincoln, it was abolition. When elected, he clearly delivered the desegregation. For Hillary, I believe we are at the beginning of the demise of the Republican party. For her to get elected in the face of Barack's central and right wing support would send a clear message that this country has moved beyond the right wing idealism that has led to most of our social AND fiscal issues. I would hope that the future of Hillary's presidency would produce two new main parties in America: Conservative and Progressive Democrats. Things such as sexual orientation and health care will cease to be issues when Democrats declare VICTORY. I believe that since Hillary has an overwhelming support among myself and most of the Democrats I see in *real life* (not here or on TV), she is the best PARTISAN solution. The victory for the democrats.

Let's be honest, Barack is a victory for everybody, but what will he produce?

Hillary is a victory for me! For the left!

Lastly, if Barack Obama is elected, it will be because of a nasty media coup of the public's opinion!
They told me it was inevitable, so people thought I didn't exist! Well, let me tell you, Democrats:

I am a 28 year old man, a Hillary supporter, and I EXIST!
And I'm going to speak out...

I want a transactional leader! I want Bush UNDONE!

Thank you all for reading!
tim

[XemaSab]

1. The Oakland Tribune is not a San Francisco paper!

:o

[WCGreen]

2. Wow, Ghandi, Jesus....

Obama has truly been sainted...

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Hillary is not a victory for the left

anyone who can honestly say that with a straight face is hasn't been paying attention to her politics. (Triangulation, anyone? IWR? Flag burning bill? DOMA? Etc)

[Kitty Herder]

40. My thoughts exactly. nt

[hfojvt]

4. Hillary is not a victory for the left

but a transformation would be.

And what is all this talk about 'leaders'? (see below, if sig-lines are working).

[calknak]

5. that's new to me!

San Francisco and Alameda counties went to Obama, and went to him big. I would know, I live here.

[mculator]

6. I thought Oakland was San Fran

sorry

[Spider Jerusalem]

7. Nope, Oakland's on the other side of the Bay

[mculator]

9. edited to remove San Fran from Oakland

[JanusAscending]

12. You need to delete the whole post ...

and then get lost!!!

[mculator]

22. and that's an opinion you can count on!

just look at the picture: he's got to be open minded!

[JanusAscending]

8. Your OP is a pile of crap!!

You need to do some fact checking!

[mculator]

10. Sorry

the fact remains: transactional or transformational!! Hillary would put CHANGE where it belongs: In your pocket, Lower and middle class! Forget this bourgeois movement for speeches, let's get some action!!

[anigbrowl]

19. Um, you're conflating facts with opinions

and...'bourgeois'? You mean....'middle class'? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[mculator]

29. the media has already said

affluent voters go with Obama. in Europe that means educated. here that means rich. get real, quit diluting the comments with pro Obama rhetoric. didn't you hear? Obama is yesterday's news.

[anigbrowl]

11. Hillary did not win by a landslide in San Francisco.

I should know...I live here. Also, almost nobody in SF reads the Oakland Tribune - although they're only separated by a bridge, Oakland and SF are vastly different demographically, economically, and socially.

Obama should certainly have done better in California - he started his campaign here a bit late, and didn't build the same ground organization that Hillary has here. The Clintons have always been very popular in CA and he underestimated that somewhat.

Incidentally, I'm 38, and I am so over this partisan political model. It's been a disaster for America for the last few decades.

[mculator]

I was mistaken,

however, Hillary won California including the votes by my homies in Arcada

[John Q. Citizen]

13. Thank you DU, for the 3 post limit. Listen friend, here at DU when we quote, when we post

from a publication we include a link.

Take a look around.

You will get the hang of it. Or not.

[DJ13]

14. The Clintons have never represented the Left

They are corporatists, the furthest thing you can get to the Left.

If they were any further away from the Left W might be on their left.

[mculator]

16. just tactics.

she's a champagne socialist.
just tactics, she gets it done.

[DJ13]

18. "just tactics."

Sorry, I dont elect a Democrat to act Republican.

Look at Bill's record for championing GOP ideas and getting them signed into law in the 90's to see what Hillary would be like.

[mculator]

20. Different people

Bill and Hill. Way different.

[Sanctified]

15. The only two types of leaders there are, are those who can lead and those can not. n/t

[Hill_YesWeWill]

17. wow, did you really have to play the jesus card?! nt

[lapfog_1]

21. Someone isn't very well versed in history

Abraham Lincoln was not a great inspirational leader?

FDR never gave great speeches?

Gandhi was a powerful orator?

Wow... just wow. I guess the dumbing down of America continues.

As for Bush undone... which candidate has been against the war since before it started?
Which candidate is a constitutional scholar?

[mculator]

24. harvard law?

Shit man, Ivy league? Geroge Bush went to yale: don't try to fly with eagles, noob.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

28. Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review

he also Taught constitutional law, are you trying to discount that?

[mculator]

30. Geroge W Bush

was Ivy league. Yes, I am.

[lapfog_1]

32. Well, OK then... one more for the ignore pile.

See, GWB went to Yale, therefore someone who graduates magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and it elected president of Harvard Law Review is just another hack.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

33. George W Bush got C's and D's, Obama graduated top of his class

they didn't even go to the same school, they have nothing in common, Obama is obviously brilliant and Dubyah is a retard!

luckily for us, Most people can tell the difference, that's cool if you can't though

[mculator]

35. While I agree,

I don't think that trumps Wellsley and 35 years of service....

Nothing about him makes me think he's superior to Hillary.

She has my support while she's in.

I hope that other Clinton supporters out there know that they aren't alone. Barack doesn't get a free pass. To the dying BO support club (which used to be so many when it mattered, ie super tuesday): I'm making calls to Texas right now. What are you doing for your candidate?

Hopefully, they'll pay off.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

36. Oh, well we weren't talking about Hillary, were we? but ok

well, I don't think his support is dying off, that's weird that you would say that. I'm IN Texas by the way

[JanusAscending]

37. Yale is also "Ivy League"

You are talking out of your ass! Please don't tell me you didn't know this?? You also should try using spell check!

[Exilednight]

23. I agree that there are two types of leaders, which is Hillary?

There is the type that convince you to vote for them, like Senator Obama.

There is the type that convince you to vote against their enemy, like Hillary.

I'm a 38 year old middle-class male. The statistics say that I should vote for Hillary, but I'm voting Obama, and if Hillary wins this through the force of super delegates, it's see ya later Democratic Party.

[mculator]

27. Good riddance.

I care not for the Darwinistic approach of my fellow males. I will tell my daughter that if she has the best resume, she will get the job. To say that, as an Obama supporter, you'd have to lie.

[NMMatt]

39. Resume? So how come Bill Richardson isn't winning this in a landslide?

We don't elect a president on resume and never have.

[Exilednight]

42. Bill didn't have the best resume

Yet, he was elected President.

Another person was dead on, Bill Richardson should be winning hands down.

[jackson_dem]

25. "Barack Obama is clearly in their ranks."

Ghandi, Jesus, Pope John Paul II. :wtf:

[mculator]

31. Yeah he is.

And i'll vote for him if he gets the nomination. But I'll campaign and FIGHT for Hillary. She DESERVES the nomination, with a lifetime committed to ME.

Sorry if that's selfish, but there are people that NEED her even more that I.

[jackson_dem]

34. Jesus? Obama vs. Jesus?

[housewolf]

26. self delete

n/t

[orleans]

38. ghandi obama? jesus obama? pope barack the first? creepy..... n/t

[Kitty Herder]

41. Here are your transactional leaders.

Thomas Jefferson: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Abrahama Lincoln: "....that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."


FDR: "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Nope not amazing speakers, uniters, or "transformers" at all.