OMG, there's no there there

[sniffa]

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203345390-c+fcP0EhTH18Mj1EHYbfaw

[babylonsister]

1. Ha! So all these threads are making mountains out of molehills. Typical.

Thanks for clearing that up. I never understood the outrage myself.

[sniffa]

8. I'm getting tired of the spamming

and at least I didn't use the word plagiarism in my thread title.

[babylonsister]

20. Look at it this way; they're wasting their precious thread allotment.

Works for me!

[sniffa]

26. True

But then again, I had to use one for this non-story. :eye:

I saw Prosense post this in some of the other threads, so I assumed he/she hit their limit... so I plagiarized it. :D

[maddiejoan]

2. Here's a There.

[chascarrillo]

7. Obama lifted "work for it"? Are you fucking serious?

[eShirl]

9. that horse is dead, you can stop beating it

[ProSense]

12. What a stretch of reality! So Patrick's 2006 speech was similar to Obama's cause he mentioned him?

Ridiculous!

[durrrty libby]

13. The people of Massachusetts bought Patrick's line of BS the first

time. Obviously, they recognized Obama doing the 2.0 version and said ..No Thanks

[Nedsdag]

33. So Massachusetts will vote for McCain in the GE?

Oh, well. They did vote for Reagan in '84, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happened.

[durrrty libby]

34. They see that Obama is Patrick 2.0. They won't swallow

the Hopium BS again

[chascarrillo]

3. "Highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified"

Chickenshit.

[sniffa]

4. Who could it be though?

:think:

[adabfree]

10. Ha Ha..well

It wasn't Bill that's for sure..he was too busy making an ass of himself again yesterday...but I'm sure the "rival" camp has a relative of his at the helm..lol!

blue dresses...

what is..is..

plagarism..

solutions

ready on day one

words are cheap

speeches don't matter..lol..yet this one does..lmaoooooo

the Clintons are a bunch of desperate bulldogs..lol

[chimpymustgo]

11. Don't kill the messenger. Heed the message.

[adabfree]

16. Which Message...lol

It's changed a million times from DAY ONE...:rofl:

Btw, the messenger died sometime ago..can't kill what's already dead...

[rocktivity]

14. you don't suppose that's the same "rival campaign"

who thinks that "talk is cheap" and speeches don't accomplish things? Shame on the Times--Obama deserves to face his accuser. Talk about cut and running!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Adelante]

5. "a rival campaign that did not want to be identified"

Who could that be?

[sniffa]

6. Gravel

He's making a splash.

[Adelante]

24. No, this particular shot was, um, tested, forecasted

Right here on DU within the past month or so. Not by any means a Gravel supporter, but a moving part in a gravel embedding machine.

[Dhalgren]

21. McCain...so it begins...

[Tatiana]

29. Not sure.

But whoever it was, I'm sure they're "fully vetted" and "ready to go" on "day one."

[boston bean]

15. OOOOOOO

Dreamweaver!

[Occam Bandage]

17. The two men are friends. They borrow each other's best phrases. I don't really see

why the phrase "just words" is "plagiarism."

[rodeodance]

18. Obama was defensive during his speech. He is hearing the message of this empty

rhetoric.

[Kaylee]

19. This is why I am have turned away from Hillary's campaign...

they are dirty. They knew that Mr. Patrick, Axelrod and Obama are close friends working on this campaign together, but they still try to smear Obama with a non-issue. I thank NY Times for clearing this up.

Just a month ago, I was seriously torn between Hillary and Obama, but her campaign's Rovian tactics piss me off. It's one thing to try to bring your opponent down based on policy differences, it is quite another to try to destroy the person based on false character innuendo.

[Ino]

23. Yep, just like she did to Kerry

Joined the Repukes in attacking him for his bungled joke. Add to it trying to change the rules in NV, MI and FL, and I don't see much difference between her and THEM. She will say and do anything... ANYTHING... to win.

[Tatiana]

31. There are many Texans who feel as you do.

Hopefully Ohio will reject these tactics of desperation as well.

[ginnyinWI]

40. They attack and attack because they've got nothing else. n/t

[Coexist]

22. increase in petty sniping = embarrassing, pitiful desperation

I actually feel bad for Hillary supporters pushing this. It makes me sad it has come to this as a "scandal".

[GarbagemanLB]

25. So true! This really makes the Clinton camp look even worse to the public.

[guruoo]

27. This Hillary supporter agrees

Let's get back to the real issues

[berni_mccoy]

28. TOP NOTCH Sniffa! K&R

:kick:ing all those Hillary supporters claiming plagiarism to the ground.

[rocktivity]

30. Obama's "rival campaign" expects him to take accountability

for the similarity of the speeches, but they refuse to be held accountable for identifying themselves?

:crazy:
rocknation

[Tatiana]

32. Good one!

:rofl:

[chascarrillo]

35. I wish we could recommend replies to threads. Nice catch!

[ClassWarrior]

36. Hey sniffa, may I use your comments in an LTTE?

:rofl:

NGU.

[sniffa]

38. Which ones?

If it's the body of the OP, I plagiarized it from Prosense, who plagiarized it from the NY Times.

[ClassWarrior]

39. Any of them that are yours to give.

:rofl:

NGU.

[berni_mccoy]

37. Kicking for the TRUTH.

[stillcool]

41. My goodness...

this is mind-boggling. Surely there is something less laughable than this to exploit for political gamesmanship. I wonder how well the boomerang effect will work this time?

[sniffa]

42. How did those kindergarten papers work out?

:rofl:

[MessiahRp]

43. The irony in the idea of Hillary supporters bitching about stealing campaign speeches/slogans

She had no problem ripping off "Change" from Obama or blatantly stealing from John Edwards earlier.

Of course it's the other thing she's stealing, the Neo-Con election and foreign policy playbook, that will keep me from ever voting for her.

Rp

[sniffa]

44. And Obama's on that already

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4642975&mesg_id=4642975

:rofl: