If you think Omama is "plagiarizing" then you know NOTHING about politics

[Armstead]

This plagiarism flap has got to rank with "the handshake" as one of the stupidest episodes of this campaign so far.

Of course Obama repeated a strategy and phrase used by Gov. Patrick. Of course there have been other instances where their messages and phrases have been very similar.

DUH. It's called politics. They both have the same advisor, David Axelrod. And Axelrod has borrowed from the successful strategies of Patrick for Obama.

Jeezus, I would hope Obama and Axelrod would do that. It's called successful politics. It's also called two politicians who have similar views and approaches.

What the hell is Obama supposed to do? Studiously avoid saying or doing anything Patrick has ever done or said?

Campaign leaders get hired because they have experience. And most have a basic message and strategy that they bring to the table.

And look at Hillary's speeches and compare them to her husband's speeches from 1992. With a few minor changes based of different times, Hillary might as well be reading one of her husband's speeches from 1992. Same ideas, same phrases, same basic arguments.

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy.....

[Alhena]

1. Thanks- we needed the 156th thread on this topic

[Armstead]

5. You're welcome -- Maybe I should do a handshake one next

[Araxen]

2. Well said!

[scheming daemons]

3. It's ok... every week the Hillbots come up with another inane Rovian attack....

"the snub"

"the cult"

"the plagiarizer"



For a campaign that talks a lot about being "about issues", they sure seem to like to follow the Lee Atwater/Karl Rove school of campaigning.


What's next? A debate-prep tape of Hillary "accidentally" ends up at Obama's headquarters? Rove tried that one in 2000... maybe Hillary will try something similar. She can't use the phony tears again, can she?

[NC_Nurse]

4. True enough. I guess that's okay since he's her HUSBAND, not just

a FRIEND. :silly:

[joeybee12]

6. Yeah, then give some examples...or do you know nothing about

poliitics? We can do without your condescending posts.

[Armstead]

9. Okay....

http://www.4president.org/speeches/billclinton1992announcement.htm

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5978

[joeybee12]

16. Um, no...

...all candidates talk about jobs and the middle class and such stuff...to say that is the same as using very specific rhethoric that another person has used is not right.

[Armstead]

23. Oh Jeeze are we going to get into parsing?

Okay here is one example of where Hillary is lifting from her husband speech.



The country is headed in the wrong direction fast, slipping behind, losing our way...and all we have out of Washington is status quo paralysis. No vision, no action. Just neglect, selfishness, and division.

We must provide the answers...the solutions. And we will. We're going to turn this country around and get it moving again, and we're going to fight for the hard-working middle-class families of America for a change.

This must be a campaign of ideas, not slogans. We don't need another President who doesn't know what he wants to do for America. I'm going to tell you in plain language what I intend to do as President.

-- BC

For seven long years, we've had a government of, by, and for the special interests – and we've had enough. It's time to get real about our future. It's time to level the playing field against the special interests and deliver 21st century solutions to rebuild the middle class. It's time we made the solutions business America's business.

In the end, it comes down to just one question: When the bright lights are off and the speeches are over, who can you count on to listen to you, to stand up for you, to deliver solutions for you?

HC

[Sulawesi]

7. How can the HRC supporters not see these tactics as divisive..

[durrrty libby]

8. Patrick is a lousy governor. Why would anyone want to imitate him?

[bicentennial_baby]

11. No, he isn't.

[durrrty libby]

17. Your standards are crap.He is a miserable failure

[bicentennial_baby]

19. He's hamstrung by a deeply entrenched legislature and Speaker

DiMasi. Sorry, but those are the facts. Easier to blame Patrick though, I'm sure.

[durrrty libby]

24. Hamstrung = loser= miserable failure. Different excuse. Same result.

And let's not forget his poor judgment

One example.....Cadillac

Can you blame DiMasi for that? Ha. The guy is a joke just like BO.

[SoxFan]

33. Typical Hillbot response

Say it enough times and it's true. Proof? We don't need no steenkin' proof!

[SoxFan]

32. It's the baboons in the legislature

that are the problem

Sleazy Sal DiMasi and his merry band of hacks still have a hair across their ass because Patrick thumped Tom Reiley, and have been shooting spitballs at him ever since.

[durrrty libby]

36. BO Sniffers need to stop inhaling the Hopium. It's killing your

brain cells and leaving you with nothing but lame excuses for Patrick.

The same would be spewed for a BO presidency. What a joke

[SoxFan]

38. Clever retort

and 100% fact-free!

[matcom]

10. how many people who post here do you think actually know ANYTHING about politics?

I say 0.2%

[Armstead]

13. That many?

Lately it's beginning to seem like 0.1%

Now, expertise on American Idol might be higher.....

[SoxFan]

39. That's being very generous

[ClassWarrior]

12. But we're supposed to hobble ourselves!! That's how Democrats do it!!

We let the Rape-Publicans do all the smart stuff, and we bicker over pettiness!!

Don't you GET IT??

:rofl:

NGU.

[Armstead]

14. Oh yeah. Figure out how to win one....Then throw out that strategy

Now I get it.

[rocktivity]

15. Also, doesn't plagiarism require someone COMPLAINING that he's been plagiarized?

Everybody's saying that Axelrod and Patrick are victims EXCEPT Axelrod and Patrick?

And shame on the New York Times for allowing these accusations to be made anonymously ("a rival campaign that did not want to be identified"). If the evidence is so irrefutable, why shouldn't the accuser come forward? And if the accuser wants to hold Obama accountable for the similarities of the speeches, why shouldn't the rival campaign be held accountable for identifying itself?

:headbang:
rocknation

[QC]

27. No. Never heard that one before.

If that were the case no student would ever get busted for plagiarism, since it is very unlikely that a major scholar in a field would be reading someone's ENG101 essays from Bugtussle Tech.

[ClassWarrior]

29. Legally, plagiarism requires a complainant. Essay copying is called...

...plagiarism colloquially, but I've never heard of any legal proceeding that involved essay copying - and if there are any, I'm sure they had complainants.

NGU.

[unblock]

18. for all we know, obama ASKED AND RECEIVED PERMISSION

to use the inconsequential text

[bicentennial_baby]

20. You mean like this? :

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

-from the NYT story

[DU9598]

21. McCain's Plagarism

Remember, he said that he was "Fired Up and Ready to Go" ... does that mean that he is guilty of plagarism?

[goodhue]

22. amen

A political speech is not a term paper!
Phrases and slogans are recycled from candidate to candidate all the time without accreditation.
It has never been otherwise.

[Tennessee Gal]

25. Of course you are making silly excuses.

[Armstead]

26. You can do better than that

How is Hillary borrowing lines, themes and phrases from her husband, John Edwards and Obama himself any different?

Please explain how discussing with a political ally who share a campaign advisor (Obama-Patrick)a similar defense to a type of anticipated attack is plagerism?

[DU9598]

40. Sorry Gal

I am making rational arguments. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Bad Thoughts]

28. Obama must invent his own langauge before talking n/t

[WVRevy]

30. Something else they know nothing about...

Obviously, they also know nothing about the fucking WORD.

pla·gia·rism /ˈpleɪdʒəˌrɪzəm, -dʒiəˌrɪz-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
2. something used and represented in this manner.

If it wasn't unauthorized, it wasn't plagiarism. Period. End of idiotic "controversy".

[ShortnFiery]

31. Thanks. It thought we buried that shameless "false outrage" with Joe Biden's senseless roasting.

:shrug:

Thanks for helping people understand what this truly is - BUNK! :hi:

[SoxFan]

34. Is John Sasso working for Hillary?

http://boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/12/22/why_clinton_will_prevail/


Wonder what JRB thinks of this?

[matcom]

35. Funny, I don't recall Hillary using "Change" until AFTER Obama

oops!

[kdpeters]

37. Don't forget the Gavin Newsome snub in you list of faux outrages

How much more desperate can this campaign get?