Clinton Campaign Worried About Texas

[Khaotic]

Some interesting headlines today:

Burnt Orange Report: Senator Clinton Campaign Worried by Texas Primary System
http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5010

TPM: Hillary Camp Only Recently Learned About Texas Delegate Rules
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_camp_only_recently_lea.php

James Carville has stated that it's over for Hillary if she loses TX or OH.

If the Texas "system" favors Obama and he walks away w/ more delegates from TX, what then?

I don't know if there's been many threads about this on DU, but if you do some deep study through the info from the Burnt Orange Report you can get some background on how TX isn't easy to understand and how it's not as cut and dry as Hillary leading in the polls there.

She might walk away from TX with the popular vote, which will enable the media to say she won Texas (another big state ... we know, we know), but what does that do for her if Obama walks away w/ more delegates????

What kind of "firewall" is Texas if Hillary continues to fall behind in the delegate count at the end of the day?

***Cue The Doors, "This is the End"***

[displacedtexan]

1. Burnt Orange has endorsed Obama.

link

[Khaotic]

4. So

Do you dispute Burnt Orange's info?

I don't see their info as fractured and I'm seeing the Clinton TX worry posted other places.

I merely used Burnt Orange's post because it has links to many other articles in regard to the TX primaries.

Other thoughts?

[tammywammy]

5. Then read the Washington Post article

That Burnt Orange quoted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/17/AR2008021702461.html?hpid=moreheadlines

[Khaotic]

7. Great Link :-)

Good article from the WP.

[tammywammy]

8. It was posted here last night and I was sure to save it

:)

I'm amazed that the Clinton campaign is just now learning about the Texas delegate system. :crazy: I mean, it's been this way for y-e-a-r-s.

[SoFlaJet]

2. great picture there Khaotic

of The Lizard King

[Khaotic]

6. Gotta love Jim

[blogslut]

3. We'll see

I vote early tomorrow. I will caucus on March 4. I wasn't going to caucus but now I am.

I will say, up here in West Texas, Hillary Clinton is not loved.

[Cha]

13. Thank you, blogslut! All you DUers who

are in these states like Texas, Ohio, Wisconsin..we appreciate your work so much! :loveya:

[Barack_America]

9. "Hillary Camp Only Recently Learned About Texas Delegate Rules"

If so. Wow. Just wow.

How do you put so much time and money into a campaign and not do basic research such as this? It's one thing not to have a detailed post-Super Tuesday plan, but to not even know how the subsequent contests work?

That's the height of arrogance and incompetence, IMO.

[tammywammy]

10. And as I said up thread

These aren't new rules either. It's not it just changed. Texas has been this way for years.

[Khaotic]

11. If TX is the Hillary Firewall ...

I think it has a problem.

[WolverineDG]

15. I call bullshit on that quote

They didn't just learn about the rules; they were just lazy & didn't work them to their advantage.

dg

[burythehatchet]

19. Here's the reference from WaPo

Several top Clinton strategists and fundraisers became alarmed after learning of the state's unusual provisions during a closed-door strategy meeting this month, according to one person who attended.

System Worries Clinton Backers
Delegates Won May Not Reflect Popular Vote

By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 18, 2008; A06

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/17/AR2008021702461_pf.html

[WolverineDG]

21. still bullshit

the rules have been in place for years, available online, etc. No excuse for not knowing them & how to use them to your advantage.

Ready from Day What?

dg

[CorpGovActivist]

26. .

[FrenchieCat]

12. I'm sure that they are digging for dirt to throw at Obama

during the debates, as we speak.

That's all they know!

[WolverineDG]

14. check here

I'm tired of repeating myself. Our system has been in place for years, but don't let that stop the crybabies....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4642375&mesg_id=4642375

how does one make a post a sticky?

dg

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. Texas - Fire - Wall

They will find a campaign staffer named Wall, fire him or her, blame that person for the loss of the insignificant state of Texas, and claim that they never expected to win there. (too many hispanics, blacks, southerners, and liberals in Texas).

[Arugula Latte]

23. ...not to mention the dreaded Latte Sippers

We all know Texas is crawlin' with 'em!

[Major Hogwash]

17. Still 2 weeks away, 2 more weekends for Bubba to go on tv and lie again. We will win in Texas.

That is assured.

[MindMatter]

18. Arcane? Unfair?

It actually sounds like a very sensible and smart system. Every state should look at this.

How often have you heard people grouse about how people don't turn out to vote?

Well, this system addresses that head on. It rewards districts that have had a pattern of people coming out to vote. What is unfair about that? If the hispanic districts couldn't get interested in participating in the past, then why should they expect to rush in and tip the system now?

What is ironic is that sort of system should work AGAINST a flash-in-the-pan candidate. It should favor stability because those who stay in contact with the system get better representation. I find it ironic to the point of comical that Clinton would now find fault with a systems that really should have favored a candidate like her.

It is all moot, however. By March, Obama's momentum will have him winning Texas outright and that will be the end of the line.

[Khaotic]

20. No doubt

:applause:

[TexasObserver]

22. Hillary's Texas firewall is made of dry pine needles. She's losing here.

And the delegate situation is worse than even she will admit.

Here's the way they break down by Senatorial district, which favors black districts.

• 126 district delegates are to be allocated proportionally to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the State's 31 state senatorial districts (each senatorial district being assigned 2 to 7 National Convention delegates based on how well each district had supported the Democratic nominee for President in 2000 and Governor in 2002).
• SD 31: 2 delegates
• SDs 6, 7, 8, 9, 24, 28: 3 delegates each
• SDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 25, 27, 29, 30: 4 delegates each
• SDs 10, 20, 21, 26: 5 delegates each
• SDs 14, 23: 6 delegates each
• SD 13: 7 delegates

[Khaotic]

24. The Humanity!

[CorpGovActivist]

25. Thanks for that very facts-driven update! n/t

[DUyellow]

27. for anybody to come ahead in these....

For anybody to come ahead in these districts

• SD 31: 2 delegates
• SDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 25, 27, 29, 30: 4 delegates each
• SDs 14, 23: 6 delegates each

that candidate will have to have more than 73% of the vote in that district? right?

[texas_indy]

28. Obama is going to win the popular vote and majority of delegates in Texas. The only question

is by how much. HRC is NOT loved in Texas. After all, look at the rallies.

Obama: 20,000 in Houston, 17,000 in Dallas
HRC: 10,000 in El Paso, less than 6,800 in Hidalgo (small town of @7500 near the Tex-Mex border)

Texas is coming home to Obama!!